Simply unwatchable!


The whole film plays like conservative, fascist propaganda from the religious right but, above all, it is stupid and one-dimensional beyond belief. One of the worst movies of the last years.
Unwatchable!

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I didn't find it so. Surely the same could be said of many of the serial killer flicks of recent years ?

I thought the ambiguity of Gere's character was interesting - he clearely has stepped beyond what is acceptable into a form of vigilante, outside the law.

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Agreed. I like the film. Gere and Daines were both very good. As was Kadee Strickland.

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What is it that this movie opposes that you think should be mainstream?

You use a lot of adjectives but don't explain why they apply - like what's conservative about the movie? What is one-dimensional that you think needs more information or development to be better understood?

Again - what in this movie is opposed that you don't think should be?

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This movie was so stupid! I can't believe it's the same director as Infernal Affairs- the whole thing looks like it was directed by some CSI reject employing all the cliched lame cut scenes. The archetypes in this movie are so played out and the entire movie is so bad that it's hilarious!


That in and of itself is kind of disturbing because the movie deals with a serious topic but in the stupidest way. I agree that it is a conservative fantasy- intended to submerge the audience into a fantasy where we are all surrounded by snivelling child molesters that bide their time in their dark corners and strike the first moment society looks away. I swear they could have had these guys curling their moustaches on screen and it wouldn't have been any less over-the-top.

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I can't make up my mind which is more illogical, you're first question or last? grammar be damned.

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What the hell are you talking about.Given,its wasnt the most spectaculair movie,but propaganda from the religious right with richard gere as the lead?I thought it was pretty truthfull.Th character development was a little one dimensional and the there were some unrealistic moments (the dog,the total none involvement of the police) but overall the tone and the mood was pretty good.And though most serial killers who are sexual predators are mostly male you did have that one case in Canada ,didt you.Plus the make things even more eerie,that women is free now because of a wrongfull plea and she helpen kill and rape her little sister.There a lott of *beep* up people in this world and you dont have to be a Republican to acknowlegde it.Republicans spread a lott of lies but i dont see how this movie is part of those lies.I was wondering what dimensional you would have like to have added?

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everyone who is used to watch good movies can't find this one no less that the most unwatchable and stupid movie of the last 20 years!!! I could have puked during the whole movie.

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Get a life boy...

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"everyone who is used to watch good movies can't find this one no less that the most unwatchable and stupid movie of the last 20 years!!!"

That is my favorite sentence of the day. I think I know what you mean...maybe.

If I'm not being too "conservative" here, this is informative and frightening...
http://www.familywatchdog.us/Search.asp

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I haven't seen the movie yet but Richard Gere taking on a conservative propaganda role??? Isn't that like calling Bin Laden a born again Christian? This I gotta see!!!

Sorry I just read the whole synopsis and I did see this movie... I thought it was great... but I don't remember any conservative propaganda especially religiously...

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The haters on this board should get over themselves. This is a very solid entry into the serial killer, police procedural genre. It's well shot and directed and performed. Way superior to crap like Untraceable and the Saw sequels.

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Well, this movie isn't exactly a piece about constitutionally protected rights, that's for sure, and no one is going to mistake this for well balanced, but it's anything but unwatchable. In fact, I quite liked it. Richard Gere did a really good job with his character, so did Claire Dane, and the story kept me on the edge of my seat. I'm good with that. I don't need to agree with the point of view of any movie in order to enjoy it. Just the quality of the storytelling.





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You have to understand, recent posters, that the original posters saw a TOTALLY DIFFERENT MOVIE -- a totally different cut with so many different scenes, etc. So those who saw the film before this May have not seen anything resembling the cut released in the States in May 2008. There have never been two more distinctly dis-similar cuts released of the same film as far as I can remember.

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"I agree that it is a conservative fantasy- intended to submerge the audience into a fantasy where we are all surrounded by snivelling child molesters that bide their time in their dark corners and strike the first moment society looks away. I swear they could have had these guys curling their moustaches on screen and it wouldn't have been any less over-the-top."

As I write this, a relative of mine is watching this movie on HBO. I am at work as usual, putting out tomorrow's newspaper. As a lifelong journalist, I am here to tell you that we are indeed surrounded by child molesters, rapists and all sorts of perverts, almost all of them male, probably due to some testosterone issue. Who knows what motivates them? We see this kind of stuff on the news wire on a daily basis. The latest trick with those convicted of sexual offenses is to change their names and then not re-register as offenders, hoping the authorities and the public will lose track of them. Once an offender, always an offender. They never stop, they just bide their time. Chemical castration does not work. Leg monitors do not work. The only thing that works is their execution. And I am hardly a conservative.

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Ctomvelu-1, I love your unPC execution suggestion, and wholeheartedly 2nd that motion. I'd get all up in arms & be all Papist about it, but for crying out loud, you never hear 'Waldo' was convicted of molesting a class of topless hampsters, went to prison talked to Fr Patel Silverman of the 1st Nation Of Isham miraculously turned over a new leaf and is now handing out Daisies at the Airport...Cut to 4 mths later when he's in Prison again-it's never because s/he decided to shake things up and hold up a bank for the hell of it.

Of course not. The creep's mind is hardwired to continue doing what it did, or god forbid do it to more people-or even in more perverse ways.

I don't see any logical end to it either. Behavioral Therapy sounds as hokey as that cracky Church that supposedly brainwashes homosexuals & POOF (pun intended) they're suddenly keen to make time with someoe of the opposite sex.

A leg monitor-I hear regular criminals can bypass those, so I'm sure this kind can too..and if not, that just means you know where the Sex Crime occurs.

Super Duper Salt Peter or the Lorena Bobbit Special only work on a penis-they don't turn the predator into an asexual neutered being...And don't do a damn thing to a woman!

My humorous attempt to lighten a serious topic aside, I'm all for Capital Punishment for repeat offenders of Sex Crimes!

Btw, "registering" makes it sound so floofie and fun-like they're going to Sears to pick china & crystal.

Kooky unPC idea: Instead of trusting the already proven untrustworthy to register. Why not tattoo the Sex Offenders in a visible place with thier perversion. That way you know that person didn't accidentally rub thier gentials on you..they really are a Froiterist-it says so on thier forehead!
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I wholeheartedly agree with the original posting - this movie was unwatchable sensationalist scaremongering drivel.

It created a world filled with monsters at every corner, an inept police force and a whole host of characters that don't care (except of course for Gere and his faithful sidekick) Clearly, the director wants us to believe that the only thing good citizens can do to protect themselves is carry around guns to blow the heads of offenders who are just evil and bad to the very core. I feel the following extract really illustrates the kind of things I would expect people to be thinking coming out. "Once an offender, always an offender. They never stop, they just bide their time. Chemical castration does not work. Leg monitors do not work. The only thing that works is their execution. And I am hardly a conservative"

The poster may claim not to be a conservative but they are certainly sensationalist. In my humble opinion, it is in a journalists best interest (financially) to seek out the worst stories in humanity because bad news sells.

There is no part of my psyche that would condown the actions of people who commit the worst kind of crimes. However, all it takes is one person to make the change to prove that statement wrong. Moreover, the crimes committed, the background and intelligence of the offender, the motivation and circumstances of each crime often vary so much that each person who commits a crime needs to be viewed and treated as a single case - not being lumped all together in a single group that a Journalist can encourage the public to execute.

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Florentyna23, Though I see/appreciate your thoughts regarding each crime being viewed as though it was the worlds 1st, because in the West-read America, one is SUPPOSED to be Innocent until proven guilty.

And I understand that you're trying to stop groups of vigilantes from running rampant and performing thier own brands of extreme prejudice on wayward dupes who might have accidentally just pursenapped from the chruch lady.

I hardly think "The Flock" is such a literary scren gem that it will serve as instruction or inspiration of any sort. If you haven't noticed. Almost uniformly everyone that's seen it, has knocked it-including myself for various reasons.

If this 'literary masterpiece' <snarf> serves as anything, I'm sure it'll end up being a shining example to the next generation of film makers of how not to be so danm dramatic, angsty and intentionally trumped up reactionary.

You're using Western (I presume) tastes in viewing this film. And you're expecting something far superior, I know I was, when they said Andy Lau-the director of the original Mou Gaan Dau (Infernal Affairs) was directiong it.

But then I realized it wasn't written by the same team. No it was written by Craig Mitchell & Han Bauer-yeah the one that one the 1998 Razzie for his script for Anaconda---NEED I SAY MORE?

So you can see why I'm finding it EXTRA hillarious that 'anyone' is up in arms about this film and it's more than obvious exagerations and even charicatures of 2dimensional criminals?

Come on a 'real jounalist' is saying this movie is so true to life? Of course it is. Even American directors get shafted with crummy scripts, but somehow land pretty good actor/ess/s.

Do I on annother topic think there are real sick people in the world? Yes.
I also believe in capital punishment. You're talking about someone changing, and yes, you're right, I believe in forgiveness & change as well, but tnose are a different sort than kind of perps the journalist and I were talking about.

Those aren't the people that are going to change. I specifically said REPEAT Offenders.

Hence no 3rd chances or our taxes paying for thier life inprisonment in over filled jails-where they get 3square meals daily, but we have homeless street people w/ no shelter or food who never harmed another living soul in thier lives.

Some street people are displaced because of domestic violence, being runaways, being neglected-abandoned-mistreated, or because of psych reasons they can't keep a job & lost thier home, or say all those survivors of mass destruction-Hurricane Katrina comes to mind..not all homeless are just addicts or drunks.

I only extrapolated on that fact, I'm sure you realize that, but other posters sometimes don't think of that.
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I don't think The Right would realistically produce propaganda that sends the message that you need government employees checking up on citizens. Their point of view would be that the government shouldn't have been looking into the lives of citizens in the first place, because society should be able to police itself without government intruding to help. Now, if the only person to escape being kidnapped and raped was the only person who had armed themselves with a gun, and they ended up fighting off and killing the bad guys themselves, maybe that would be The Right's idea of propaganda.

I see why you might watch this and think it's trying to say sex is bad, though. It might have worked to show some character having a healthy sex life at some point in the thing, just to contrast with the rest of the movie where every sexual thing is seen as deviant and wrong. But the story was so lean, the only way to insert a healthy sex story into it probably would have been to make the two agents hook up... which wouldn't have been that healthy, anyway.

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I have no idea what the hell is going on in this thread.

If you saw some "conservative religious right" message in this film you either really did see a different film, or you're completely insane.

This movie has zero references whatsoever to law, politics, or religion. It was about a man who'd become too wrapped up in his own job.

There was nothing either religious or preachy about his "flock" he saw himself as the shepherd of these sex criminals. If you are psychotic like the OP and hate Christianity to the point that you obsess over it like Gere obsessed over sexuality in this film, I'm sure any kind of reference that could slightly be interpreted as Christian puts you in a tailspin.

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I disagree 100% for you. I think you should watch something like NEMO, which would less be complex for you.

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