i saw the movie w/o english subtitles, so I never found out why they kept her. I can probably guess, but can someone tell me? Was she the old man's grand daughter? Even if she was mentally ill and they didn't have the resources to help her, why treat her like an animal?
shareSome ignorant people think that some malformations in a child's body means that the kid is in some way evil or diabolic. In this case seems like her parents where close relatives.
shareApparently, there was incest involved in causing her deformities, so there was a lot of shame involved. See the later posts, but it seemed like the older man had raped or molested his daughter, and the girl was his granddaughter.
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I am so pleased that others found this movie so puzzling. I thought I was the only one! Anyway, I have the same questions as everyone else, and I really don't know if the girl was shot at the end of the movie. I wonder if there is any e-mail address available for the producer....maybe we can request answers to all the questions. Does anyone know if a book is available? Maybe the book would explain things!
Or you could engage your imagination. The need for every single detail to be explain in a movie is killing cinema.
shareNo one is asking that "every detail" be explained in a movie.
How about just not leaving gaping ambiguities? That's what this movie does, and it kills ~this movie~.
What ambiguities? She clearly was a child of incest, the "sinning" that he speaks of, and was kept a way as a shameful secret. They see the birth defect flipper hands as a sign from god condemning. As far as the end, he didn't shoot, it was a loud thunderclap. The End.
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a) We know that the kid is the daughter of the sister of the old man's sons. I.e., she is his grandaughter.
b) It's strongly implied that the daughter is a result of incest. The old man makes references to sin and refuses to talk about the girl's mother.
c) Also, the birth defects are a sign of recessive genes coming to the form, i.e. incest.
d) It's never made clear who the girl's father is. I'm more inclined to believe that it was the son named 'Pig' than the old man. 'Pig' is a rapist after all. And it wouldn't be all that unusual for the victim of incestuous rape to be blamed for the rape.
There is no sham ein asking for explanations. If it's up to my imagintion to come up with my own ending, then I might as well come up with the middle and beginning too. Therefore, let's all stay home and imagine our own movies. Paradox_debase is just one of those people who can't figure out the ending either.
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There will always be some know-it-alls like the first responder to you, to go with the ones who feel like you did. Notice he tells you to not have others tell you what happened, yet he is telling you what to think with that very post, ironically.
shareHe didn't shoot her, she was just in a very calmed state by her music box. He just aimed away from them.
share"I'm not sure if the old man was her father or grandfather"
He was both I think
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Girl not shot.
Science has long proved that incest does not cause deformities, even brother sister. It is a moral issue.
Stupid script (contrived/never happened) btw.
I guess Gary got his money and said "You don't like Beethoven! Goodbye dumb ass movie!".
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Or you could engage your imagination. The need for every single detail to be explain in a movie is killing cinema.
I liked that comment, even if I don't entirely agree with it.
shareactually you are wrong, the deformaties would be from passed on due to genetics, not because incest caused them
shareDeformities can be congenital or inherited. And if incest didn't cause deformities, then dog breeding programs wouldn't be so strictly watched when brothers, fathers, or uncles are bred to related females. With dogs overt inbreeding causes problems; which is why some dogs with small gene pools (alapaha blue eyed bulldogs) have had to have new blood put into the lines. It's the same with humans, with all advanced mammals. The reason is that the deformities are caused by genetics CAUSED by the incest.
When you have the same blood lines intersecting again and again, the dna doesn't have the ability to replicate properly, and also there isn't as much material for differentiation, because it's all the same blood. I don't know if I'm making it easier or harder to understand, but the incest directly makes the genetics faulty, and that caused a lot of problems. So, yes, incest causes deformities, because it affects the genetic pool.
The gene pool could use a little chlorine......
I agree 100%. There was a family we knew growing up where the parents were first cousins. There was something wrong with all 4 of their children. They were all mentally delayed.
You'll have nothing and like it!
Double Farts!!!
You're correct about incest causing deformities but wrong about the reasons. There are recessive and dominant genes. Deformities are causes by recessive genes. Close relatives have similiar genes. When they mate the chances of recessive genes being displayed increases.
shareThe fact that her hands were deformed was the biggest proving point that it was incest. Otherwise, people wouldn't have GOTTEN it, even though they SHOULD have just from everything else that happened.
It's a flawed movie, but I liked it, nonetheless.
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He was her father. They all had sex with their sister and one of them fathered the child, most likely the oldest and last standing guy.
shareshe had a mongo hand and yes, she was the product of an incestuous relationship somewhere along the line. thats seems a good enough reason to lock up someone up for 12 years in an unlit shed, no?
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should have killed her at birth to avoid all the trouble...
shareshould have killed her at birth to avoid all the trouble...
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"but if the guy loved the little girl so much why did they keep her locked up? "
And in such bad conditions. I agree with you there, BeatdownKidd
"and why did the little girl want to be back with the guy who kept her locked up?? " Familiarity, I think the idea is that he did at least treat her with the most love that she had ever known.
Actually I really enjoyed the main theme of this movie. How misunderstanding and mistrust can lead to disaster. The theme song really fit the message well.
Just watched this film. I could've sworn that the main guy said the little girl was his sister's child? This was soon after he introduced all his brothers and was talking to Oldman's character alone in the woods. So, I guess my theory is that main guy was the kid's father/uncle.
My guess is that uncle/daddy loved the kid, but locked her up because of the shame and the birth defect. He tells Oldman that sometimes the righteous pay for the sins of the sinners, so the kid is righteous and it's just a messed up situation because that family is super messed up. Again, just my guess.
And no, the kid wasn't shot at the end. The trigger was pulled at the end, but he aimed away.
The kid goes to uncle/daddy because it's all she knows. People go to the familiar, even if it's the unhealthy thing.
I haven't seen Straw Dogs so I can't compare, but except for some needed clarity about the girl, I liked the movie fine. It didn't change my life or anything, but I was entertained (if that's the right word) for a hour and a half, and that's more than can be said for a lot of films these days.