I know in real life its sort of hard to get a solid useable print but still. In the first kill scene with Ben Foster, the homo-erotic asphyxiation kill. Foster clearly touches the door and the door knob at least once. If for a second they thought it was a homicide and fingerprinted the door. With his priors he would clearly get caught. Not too smart on Jason's part.
shareYou're not the first one to take notice of this.
Unfortunetly,it seems that neither the actors
,the producer,the director or the writer thought about this!
To avoid this problem if there's a sequel,they
should pick the name of second film right away!
It would be called:The Mechanic 2:Killer with gloves!
If your prints aren't on a database then leaving prints isn't that much of a problem.
And the police aren't going to look for prints anyway in the case of the autoerrotic asphyxiation guy, if they did they would find lots of prints that are on the database.
Also they could have wiped the few surfaces they touched, off camera.
Don't Care What The Governments Say
They're All Bought And Paid For Anyway
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Actually... And I know this because I am working on a project based on a real contract killer in my home town of Montreal... They don't care about prints, DNA, hair, and other CSI cliché!
Like KRASNY said, if you are not in the database, it's not a problem. Real contract killer lives like ghost. You cannot find someone that doesn't exist even if you have everything on him. I think it's well establish that Arthur (Jason) lives based on this principle.
And when they do get caught, what's the difference between going down for 1 or 27 murders.
What do they care about Gran?
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just curious.
Don't Care What The Governments Say
They're All Bought And Paid For Anyway
- Sun Green
In our case study, the killer even left his weapon at the crime scene because he was using "home made" guns... because they said it was untraceable.
Most of his work took place during a biker war and he worked for both side. But he also took outside contract.
From what we have... Because we will never be able to talk to him as he is now under police protection for telling everything to them... It was just a job. And it didn't paid big money like in the movies.
Life his always less glamour than hollywood shows it but non the less very interesting.
Its not Jason Statham's character I'm talking about. It's Ben Foster. He mentions at one point in the movie that he was arrested. And they left the room and closed the guys door without wiping anything. And that isn't the only time they leave without wiping down prints. And it's not a guarantee that there will be usable prints but its possible that forensics could find some if they suspected fowl play. There have been much more "clear cut suicides" that became homicide investigations. Statham just kinda put him in the rope and let it be. It's just possible that the police could question it and run forensics and get a print. I know its hollywood but still I hate movies that are lazy in the technical aspect of it.
shareNo, but if they leave evidence at more than one crime scene then patterns can be drawn betwen them and they can be tracked.
Pretty basic stuff, the film you're working on must be pretty rubbish if it ignores this fact.
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There are ways to remove your fingerprints with certain corrosives. Someone in that profession would likely do so. Many of the assassinations were meant to look like accidents, This would cause some private security firms to just confirm the death as natural and not investigate as it would only prove that the failure was on their part. There was likely a lot of DNA left at the scene where the brawl in the apartment happened, it was far too messy unless they cleaned it, which you really do not know as these details would only slow down the pace of the film.
shareI also noticed this throughout the film, like when Ben Foster's character finally finished off the gay hit-man he took out the tube of adrenaline and with his fingers left it in the guy's mouth. To any investigators that would hopefully come off as a homicide scene and at least would give them some kind of finger print. Since he should have been in the system already because of his priors, this should have easily led to him.
shareEveryone knows that professional hitmen burn their prints off. The autoerotic scene was wrong anyway because the guy was still wearing trousers. If your wanking with a belt around your neck its safer to have your cock out incase you die and people think it's suicide. He looked more like he killed himself rather that what they planned.
shareI was saying about the same thing on another post about Ben's character. Because, yes, obviously, he has a record and could easily be found. Which puts Jason at risk. The concept is interesting because in order to be close to someone he as to take the risk of being caught... But the movie did'nt take that direction.
I don't think they were lazy, they just went somewhere else with no police investigation. there's probably one, we didn't see it, that's all...
Fingerprints would be detected and the police investigation would begin, though they don't know where Ben's character is located. I also didn't get the sense that the time elapsed was that great from the time of the murder of the gay hit man to the time the plot proceeded on from there. Granted, three weeks of going to the coffee shop with the chihuahua to bait the gay hit man elapsed, yet at that point Ben hadn't done anything to get have the cops after him. He had slowly sold all of his father's furniture and things (which I thought was well presented) and then sold his father's house. Subsequently and essentially he disappeared. Killing the gay hit man and leaving his prints everywhere, including on the bottle of poison, points the police in his direction, yes. From there, where do they look? Do they have any reason to go after Arthur Bishop (Jason's character)? I think what it did was point to the killing of Ben's character's father (Donald Sutherland) as being a hit and maybe, just maybe, and I'm giving credit to an aware detective, maybe they pieced it together that Ben figured out who killed his father. Would that drop the case? No, it might open up the case into a deeper search... and the conversation on this topic can continue.
My real point is that even though he left fingerprints all over the gay hit man's place, he then disappeared. So even if the police are looking for him, they don't know where to go to find him.
You're kidding. Do you seriously think the ampule in his mouth would be the first hint that foul play may have been involved regarding that man's death? Did you see the destruction those two caused? Besides Ben Foster's character's fingerprints being ALL OVER THE PLACE (not just on the ampule), you know he was dripping his own blood (i.e., DNA) all over as well. He should have torched the place on exit.
shareHe left enough fiber, blood, footprints, skin, hair, clothing samples than OJ Simpson did at that crime scene.
But the ampule he left in the guy's mouth would make ANY detective sit up and say "Wait a second-- this was staged-- we don't have a true crime of passion here-- well, what *do* we have?"
At least, with the crime scene as it is, the police could think it was a robbery/assault involving someone the victim took home. With the ampule, they know its a planned murder, and perhaps even a serial killer, because who has the presence of mind to plant clues like that? It's an intentional taunt to the police.
And the worst part: it was a red herring that they never reference again. At the end, at the gas station, when McKenna was offering the water to Bishop, I was thinking, "Wait, did I see the ampule scene correctly? Maybe he didn't leave it there and now he's going to poison Bishop." May the Director of this film have the fleas of a thousand camels nest in his abode.
Lol "tube of adrenaline". You got that mixed up with the adrenaline from the fat religious guys death.
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> To any investigators that would hopefully come off as a homicide scene and at least would give them some kind of finger print.
It was a homicide scene. But chances are the cops would figure that the guy had picked up a young guy and the guy changed his mind. A brawl ensued and the older guy died. Then the young guy ran away.
Not much to investigate.
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I always love these kinds of evaluations of movies because some people are expecting to see EVERYTHING take place on camera. Well I've got all of you beat. NONE of the actors are seen going to the bathroom to "lay some cable" so to me this movie (as mostly ALL movies) is so unbelievable because you can't store that much waste in your body for such extended periods of time and not die of some sort of internal poisoning.....(does not count for movies that take place within a few days' time period). /sarcasm
My point is that I don't have to see every single detail on camera to be entertained by a movie. Don't take it so serious.
Surely a far bigger flaw is how they are able to casually drive away unnoticed from the warzone they left behind after assassinating that hitman CEO guy?
shareI just assumed either Arthur or the people that hired them to kill the gay mechanic went back and cleaned the place up. How else would they have known that he used an outside source. There's no doubt his prints are on file from his previous arrest.
shareJust saw the movie last night and I was like wait - but his prints are on the vile....but what you say makes a lot of sense - they DO work for an agency that has all their moves under a loop, ( which I think is why Arthur killed Harry instead of maybe saving him and making him disappear?) but yea somebody could have come to "clean up" per say.
buuuut these are just my thoughts nothing else.
Not to mention Ben Foster was having drinks in a public bar with the gay hitman just hours before he was brutally murdered. That, along with the prints, blood, etc., was really bothersome. Foster might as well have taped his I.D. to the front door before leaving, or at least ejaculated on the doorknob. you are reading my signature.
sharethe guy that was killed was a "mechanic" from another agency...once he stopped reported in to do missions his agency would have gone to his home and had a "cleaner" take care of the scene...his murder would ever be reported as they are "off the grid"
shareEvery movie seems to have people that want to discover plot holes but the movie "Blowout" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082085/ is based on the premise that you can take a few photographs and turn them into a movie which is total bull poop and aside from the comments I made no one seems to care.
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Not sure which scene you are referring to.. The auto-erotic asphyxiation or the homo-erotic scene...
if they'd pulled prints from either crime scene they'd probably have a collection of various people from all walks of life.. the gunrunner would probably be considered a pretty cut and dry case of accidental death, especially after they id'd him. I doubt there would've been a long list of people screaming for justice on that one..
the other guy - "jolly gay giant"... probably had a ton of prints all over his place from young boys. but even still, with fosters characters prints not only on the vial but also all over the inside of his car, their drinks, the screw driver, the fireplace shovel, etc.. not to mention the witnesses who could place them together at the bar or coffee shop.
Either way- I'll go with the theory that the agency either cleaned up or covered up afterward...
I prefer the "willing suspension of disbelief" process to get me through the "slap myself in the forehead" moments..
As in, it's a movie, take it for what it is.
It's the stuff that dreams are made of...
People seem to watch shows like CSI and think it's all that simple to track someone down. I don't think it is, even if Ben's character has priors. The auto-erotic scene was staged as an accident and the guy was a scumbag, cops wouldn't do a super-thorough job and even if they did... so what? Do you know how many prints that doorknob probably has??
Also, is it too much for us to assume they are using some assassin tricks-of-the-trade (such as burning off of finger prints? Must they have twenty montages of them explaining everything???
The other kill with the gay guy if you all would notice CUTS from Ben's character putting the vile in the guys mouth to Statham's character scolding him for not doing it the easy way. Again is it too much to ask the audience to figure out that Statham's character probably had to go back and clean up Ben's mess?
It always bothers me in these kind of movies when they don't seem concerned about fingerprints. Is it that difficult to have the hitman pull some kind of papertowel, or hankerchief, out of his pocket and casually wipe the doorknob on his way out? The situation with Ben Foster at the gay guys place, I would think he could be traced. I noticed that some people assume the mob outfit sent a cleanup crew after the fact, but given the noise generated by the fight, I would think it likely a neighbor called the cops about the ruckus, and there would be a number of cops at the location by the time the clean-up crew showed up.
Regarding the whole "Pro Hitman doesn't have a record, so they can't trace him through his prints" arguement, what if Statham leaves his prints at a crime scene, then a couple years later he gets picked up on suspicion of something that can't be proven, but they run his prints, and they're a match for the previous crime scene. He may not be convicted, but it makes life a bit messier.
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"In a row?"
Regarding the whole "Pro Hitman doesn't have a record, so they can't trace him through his prints" arguement
Early in the movie there's a scene when Arthur tells Steve, "I know all about you," and lists off a bunch of things (including an old injury, a broken knee that Steve let heal without seeing a doctor -- Arthur says something like "I've got the MRI if you wanna see it.") I'm not sure, but I think Arthur also mentioned that Steve had been convicted of assault at some point.
they may have removed their prints.. mine are gone for the most part.. thanks to an acid accident in college. not fun..
shareI always just assumed it didnt matter because it was a suicide. everything having its prints wiped off would be suspicious. My fingerprints are on the door of a guy who committed suicide, its not very rare
shareIt is auto-erotic not homo-erotic.
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