Merciless crap


'The Batman' series sucks to begin with, but this.....hooh. You have to be pretty starved for anything Batman to rate this above a 1.

The 2nd animated series should never have been made. When I was a kid, Warner Brothers put out this kickass, original Batman cartoon, and nothing could match it. Now, for some reason, after the reruns have influenced animation/anime everywhere, today's kids have their own Batman cartoon on the WB, and God does it blow. It's so condescending with its desperately-hip dialogue, crappy backgrounds, threadbare plots. Now they've gone and done one with Dracula.

Probably the best example of this series-wide defect appears in the film when Bruce actually has to look in a mirror to deduce that 'Alucard' is 'Dracula' spelled backwards. The movie acts as though this is original. Even as a boy, I'd be insulted by this and many other stains throughout the show and its sweaty mongoloid parent series.

I'm sure 'The Batman' has its supporters, but they should realize that tin cans are for goats. Watch one episode of the original series, any episode, if you're that lonely without Bats.

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"WAAAAH! WAAAAH! THEY MADE SOMETHING THAT'S -DIFFERENT-! I AM FRIGHTENED AND ANGERED BY THIS! WAAAAH!"

Oh, also, nice bit of racism with the "sweaty mongoloid" comment. I'm sure the Batman of your beloved youth series would be so proud of you.

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You are someone who is incapable of understanding when someone else is being sarcastic. You use quotes on words I didn't misspell to make me seem like an idiot when my own posts are clearly there and not misspelled, only making yourself look foolish. You hand down high-handed pronouncements about the show, and yet here you are, on its message board, taking the time to comment about it.
Are you, like, six?

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Oh, that was good. You must win the most arguments out of all the kids in your kindergarden class.

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the point is the series sucks.


also...how does a show express proudness? I hesitate to call someone a sweaty mongoloid because I wouldn't want Transformers to look down on me....pretty stupid, rann chan

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Yeah, yeah, which is what I told your mom when you came out.

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You told my mom that the new batman series sucks? umm good going, I suppose...but, I'm pretty sure she along with everyone else in the universe knew that already

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You are living proof of just why abortion needs to be legal, y'know.
If only your mom had stopped shooting crack long enough to get one... lost opportunities.

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umm...abortion is legal.....ya...yikes, you're not very good at this

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im pretty sure he meant mongoloid as in retarded and not asian still i dont get it. but with lines like dracula telling batman 'try as you may, you can not out-bat me!' its pretty sad yet i couldnt stop watching... anyways, the WB batman was the best hands down

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I disagree, I dispise 'The Batman' but this was actually really good, though I did fall asleep at the very end, that was simply because I was really tired, I plan to rent this on DvD when it comes out, so I can see the end.

I LOVE how they did Dracula

Bruce: And you are?
Dracula: Alucard.

I loved that line. I thought they would either make Dracula seem too crazy or too much of a monster, but they definatly showed his aristocratic side, as well as his elegance in battle (Note how he doesn't 'dodge' Batman's attacks as much as he glides out of harms way, or when he simply dissapears with the shadows)

Overall, I was pleasantly surprised with this. I will say however, Bruce should have been a bit smarter... I mean, Alucard is the oldest trick in the book, but that was my only real complaint.

EDIT: Is this out on DvD yet?

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It came out on DVD on the 18th (of October) so yes, it should be out.


Expletive: Damn it, master, I am an assassination droid... not a dictionary!

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Just because the action is staged well doesn't mean the show or the series should be forgiven.

I agree with everything the first poster said. This series is garbage. The people in charge of this have no clue who or what Batman even is. I watched the first 10 or so episodes and each was worse than its predecessor. I love how they made Catwoman so pedantic. Dumbed Mr. Freeze into a simplistic goon. Made Bane into something MINDBLOWINGLY F-ING STUPID! And have absurd and nauseatingly hip lines for EVERYONE. Not to mention the fact that almost every one of the voice "actors" manages to TAKE life from the characters instead of GIVING life.

The show is a trajedy. I tried to be optimistic with this Dracula show. I just watched it earlier and other than the occasionally well-staged action (which doesn't define Batman in any way whatsoever) it fell flat on its face.

If anyone likes this diluted refuse, then good for you. I'll get you a balloon and a drooling bib.

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That whole Drac name reversal has been done to death. The real Bruce/Batman would've dusted that idiot at step one. This clearly is for the little kids. I dont like the animation or the redesigns of the characters either, and why have another version of Batman when the original Bruce Timm version is still around on the Justice League series? Did even those producers see how inane and pointless this kiddie-fied version is so they simply had to create a whole other series?

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I really don't have a problem with The Batman, cuz Mr. Freeze and Joker look kickass. Sure this show isn't as good as the 90s Batman, but the movie was great. It showed how dark The Batman should have been, and once again Joker looked kickass.

"Arriba Las Chivas!!" Vicente Fernandez

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....right

I suppose I could make a show called Grapes of Wrath and make Tom Joad a ninja. It doesn't matter because he is a fictional character, right?

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HOLD UP!!! WHAT? YOU MEAN TO TELL ME BATMAN HAD TO LOOK INTO A MIRROR TO REALIZE ALUCARD WAS DRACULA? THAT'S RETARDED. I JUST RECORDED IT OFF MY FRIEND'S DVR BUT HAVEN'T SEEN IT COMPLETELY. COME ON, MAN!! THIS IS SUPPOSE TO BE THE DARK KNIGHT DETECTIVE, AND U MEAN TO TELL ME WHEN ALUCARD INTRODUCED HISSELF WITH THAT NAME I PICKED UP ON IT FASTER THAN WAYNE? BULLSH-T! KEEP KEVIN CONROY AS BATMAN, ONLY TIMM AND GANG SHOULD DO DC'S TOONS FROM NOW TO FOREVER!

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Batman Batman Batman........Prince Planet or Gigantor would have kicked his butt !!!! lol ;)

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"As good as TAS was, it still felt like a supped up Tiny Toon Adventures type animation (Timm started there). The animation for the Batman is MUCH better! not even Justice League's animation tops it! Your opinion is very biased."

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There are no words...

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The point is not how good or bad the animation. Its that the stories and characters aren't good. They're one dimensional. Why should anyone care about the characters on the Batman? Batman:TAS had a heart and soul. The Batman is pointless fluff.

Kids today the most important part about video games is how cool it looks instead of how well it plays. The most important thing to them is how good the artwork is in a comic book. Why the hell should it have a good story, anyway?!

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Some of you guys are absolutely *beep* stupid. Spider-Man or Wolverine could beat Dracula, but not the world's greatest detective? Are you out of your *beep* mind? Do you realize how many times Batman's dusted off SUPERMAN, a being who is WORLDS beyond Dracula's strength and ability. Or how about the fact that Batman was kicked out of the Justice for a time because he had a way to take out every single member in the Bat Computer. Batman is borderline undefeatable, if NOT undefeatable.
And those of you complaining about Bruce not figuring out who Dracula was right away: This is NOT the Batman you know. This is a YOUNG Batman, only THREE years into his career. He's still very green, and still, he DID realize that Dracula was a vampire almost right away, just not that he was Dracula. And he STILL figured it out, so what the hell are you bitching about?
And those claiming that this movie was "clearly" made for kids: You have to be kidding me. If anything, this is the only product to come from The Batman that ISN'T aimed at children. I haven't even seen that much blood on *beep* Adult Swim, especially the blood bank scene. In fact, I believe that if I was a kid, this movie would've scared the *beep* outta me.
Now, don't get me wrong. I despise "The Batman" series. They pretty much intentionally mutilated every Batman villain, purposefully making them more grotesque than tragic which was a HUGE mistake. They introduce a young Batgirl before Robin (possibly due to complications with Teen Titans), and I'll never get used to Batman's big ass eyes. But anyone who doesn't realize that this movie was at least decent is biased and ignorant. It was well written, well planned, VERY well choreographed and EXTREMELY beautiful. Period.

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Just saw this one on DVD. Felt like an animated version of Blade.

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I believe they were speaking that physically Spider-man and Wolverine could go toe-to-toe with Dracula. Batman may not be able to match his strength, but he would have out thought him to a point of weakness, then beat the snot out of him. Batman's greatest asset is his patience. He will wait for the villain to slip and then capitalize. That's what detectives do!. Now I will admit, i gave the show and this movie a chance. My conclusion: TRASH! The movie had it's points, but I don't consider it wel written. It was written, that much is true. Case in point, there is no way (and Batman is my favorite comic book character from my childhhod days) that The Dark Knight could catch up with Dracula running on rooftops. Dracula wouldn't run, he'd turn into a bat and irritate the hell out of Batman. Then, while Dracula is flying around, Batman would anticipate his move, toss something out his belt to stun Dracula, then WHAM! That's how that scene should have gone. See, I just did better than the writers! Where's my check?

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Well one, how long has Batman been aoround in the comics? Compared to the movie we're talking a 10 year age difference, easy. So choices and experience are going to be different. Plus, there's nothing wrong with an amazingly animated chase sequence.

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i saw this movie, and i was dissapointed... What have they done with joker? This character kicked ass and now he is just lame... That's just sad, because i think the success of any story is in its bad guys.
And this dracula stuff is lame, too. They picked the worst bad guy ever. I mean, come on... everybody can kick dracula's ass. Remember the original stroker story. Those losers beat him. Dracula has so many weaknesses, and everybody knows them, he is no match for anybody. The most importan advantage a vampire has is the element of surprise. And that is poorly exploited in this movie.
To tell u the truth, i'm from romania, and i got tired of this dracula junk.

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Okay, you asked how Batman couldn't beat Dracula when he defeated many other (stronger) opponents? You answered it yourself: this is not the Batman you know, this is the YOUNG Batman.
Bear in mind that 'The Batman' is set in Bruce's 3rd year of crimefighting and he hasn't yet met Superman or been a part of the JL.

I'm not biased, I've seen both TAS and the new series and I've read a damn good amount of Batman comics; (Trust me, I'm an addict) but I do feel that 'The Batman' is more appealing to me because the villains can actually put up a fight. In the majority of TAS episodes, Batman spent most of his time figuring out how to stop the bad-guy's crime sprees, but when he found them, it was all over and they went back to prison/Arkham.
Doesn't the fact that each episode has at least one action scene bring a little colour to the Batman story?
Personally, I love a good fight scene as much as I love the riddles, puzzles and clues the villains leave behind, but I feel that a fight scene would just complete all of that. ^_^

Yes, I love Batman stories as much as the next... erm... (Let's not say girl because not many girls do, heh) You get the point anyway, but I think each version of Batman has its own qualities. Sure, those who grew up with TAS will miss the Mafia episodes and whatnot, but obviously kids today won't like that sorta stuff. They like colourful villains, and it helps that Joker has had a makeover. To me, he looks more warped and insane than the Mark Hamil version in a Zoot suit. Not that the old Joker sucked, oh no! He rocked, but I feel that KMR's version is more suited to this version of Batman's story.

Give the series time to neaten all the edges. It is relatively new, after all. I hear that they're going to bring Harley back! Of course I'm feeling a tad weary about this since she was simply awesome in TAS: I don't know how they can follow that up. But doesn't this prove that they're going to try and re-introduce the old characters? You're bound to like at least one reinarnation!

But I don't completely worship this series: I think Mr Freeze is absolutely pathetic in this new version, Capizzi completely lost the entire point of Freeze's existance (His wife is non-existant, dammit) and that makes me mad! >_< But I will overlook that one blunder for the sake of the interesting plotlines.

I've tried very hard to be unbiased in this reply, so do not blast unkind words at me if you disagree.
I do think TAS is the true Batman cartoon, but it's inevitable that things do change.
Try to get used to it.

Now... back onto topic. *Spoilers?*

The film blew me away. I first watched it on the internet, being a British fan of the series who is unable to gain access to a copy. Once I'd watched it once, I wouldn't be content until I got it on DVD. Naturally I did, thanks to a great friend who bought it online.

The animation is superb and the voice acting is quite impressive. I know a lot of people hate KMR's interpretation of Joker, but it's different. Far more interesting than the old Joker, who was more paedophillic than insane in a few circumstances.
The plotline was a bit clichéd, I do admit, what with Dracula and the blood and the transformations and such. However, I absolutely loved how Joker made his re-entry into the land of the living - twice - and that Batman had to save his arch-villain in order to save Gotham from an eternity of damnation.
Wonderful.

But I do give this film a 9/10 partly because my fave character (Joker) was hardly in the film after the incident in the Batcave AND Penguin seemed to be more of the comic relief than the Jester himself. What is up with that?

Yeah, but I love this film. It's my favourite animated movie so far, but MotP is a very close second.

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Batman was beaten by Deathstroke because he is MUCH stronger, faster, and smarter than Batman. Read somemore Teen Titans before you say crap like that. "The Batman vs. Dracula", while not saving the series, was a very well done movie. It was nowhere near the level of BTAS, but that's to be expected. And to an above post, "JLU" is far superior in animation to "The Batman" (Hell even Teen Titans beats it out).

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Nightwing and Changeling beat him because:

1.) Nightwing has encountered him before.
2.) Changeling (now Beast Boy) can turn into different animals.
3.)They are all on a team. Batman works alone (most of the time.)

"I can only point the way, Grasshopper. You must walk the path yourself." -Kung Fu

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I don't think Batman is a god. If I did I wouldn't have admitted that Deathstroke beat him. You said that he was beaten by "a Teen Titans villian" thereby implying that he was ultra weak.

Beast Boy was able to beat Deathstroke because he can change into animals. No matter how strong Wilson is an elephant can take him down. B was probably also angry at that point. (And Beast Boy is my favorte superhero so I'm not trying to put him down.) Beast Boy could proably beat just about any superhero. He just doesn't acknowledge it or want too.

"I can only point the way, Grasshopper. You must walk the path yourself." -Kung Fu

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Does anyone remember the Batman vs. Dracula 4 issue series? It had the Batman we all know and love from the comics going toe-to-toe with Dracula and coming out bitten and vampirized. By the time the Bats took out Dracula, it was too late for him and in the end he ends up modifying his modus operandi to sucking the blood of criminals. It was great, and a much better story than the one in this movie.

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The hole concept seemed ridicoulus to begin with. What's next? The Joker VS Frankenstein? Robin meets the mummy?

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This show sure had its "ups and downs", where some episodes were great and others just plain SUCKED. The animation is horrible on most of the characters, with the exception of Joker who is brilliantly re-invented. For the first he looks really cool. And for the second he has a much better voice now than before, Kevin Michael Richardson does a great job in making Joker seem even more disturbed than before. Watch the Joker episodes from the first and second seasons, and for Gods sake avoid the insanely lame season 3.

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