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Genocide: Turkish Forgeries on Turkish Websites ('talltale.com' etc.)


As a general rule, whenever Turkish denialists attempt to support their claims agains the Armenian Genocide, they rely on bogus Turkish websites. Of those, they most heavily rely on www.tallarmeniantale.com, which has been debunked before on this board. Still, let's expose it one more time.

This particular site is a Turkish website well known for its lies, run by a Turk who nicknames himself "Holdwater," lives in the US, was raised by a father who hates Greeks (and most likely Armenians too), and he himself hates Armenians and Greeks. The site is filled with hateful attacks and forgeries against both these groups. Many of the forgeries are quotes supposedly attributed to Armenians. Every single one has been proven as a fabrication--either the supposed "books" don't exist, or they don't contain the quotations at all. Here is one famous Turkish fabrication found on this site and copied by virtually every bogus Turkish site out there (a simple google-search of the quote will demonstrate this). The fabricated quote has supposedly been written by an Armenian. The words in bold are the fabricated parts:

[The fabricated Turkish version] "Wholly opportunistic the Armenians have been variously pro-Nazi, pro-Russia, pro-Soviet Armenia, pro-Arab, pro-Jewish, as well as anti-Jewish, anti-Zionist, anti-Communist, and anti-Soviet - whichever was expedient." John Roy Carlson (Arthur Derounian), "Cairo to Damascus" Alfred A. Knopf, New York, 1951, p. 438

Now, here is the actual quote, found in the actual book.

[Real quote] "Wholly opportunistic, Dashnag politics have been variously pro-Nazi, pro-Russia, pro-Soviet Armenia, pro-Arab, pro-Jewish, as well as anti-Jewish, antiZionist, anti-Communist, and anti-Soviet--whichever was expedient."

Now, the author (Derounian) is a known anti-Dashnag (an Armenian political party), and has been known to work on behalf of the FBI to accuse US government officials left and right in Nazi affiliation. So, clearly he is expressing his bias against the *politics* (and not the entity itself) of a particular political party here. That's not the point however. The point is that Turks have forged the quote, deleting a the phrase "Dashnag politics" and substituting with "Armenians."

Of course that's not the only forgery on that website--many of the quotes contained there supposedly come from books that actually never existed. Which obviously renders the credibility of the website worthless.

Here is another Turkish forgery found not only in that website but virtiually in every Turkish publication on the Genocide (starting with the Turkish Foreign Ministry itself). Turkish sources like to quote from a report supposedly written by a Russian general named Mayewski. The quotes supposedly talk about how Armenians killed Turks. It turns out that the so called "quotes" actually come from a fabricated Ottoman Turkish translation of the original Russian report, translated by an Ottoman Turkish intelligence official. After comparing the Turkish translation with the Russian original, scholars (e.g. German Ottomanist Prof. Martin Hartmann) have found entire fabricated statements that never appeared in the Russian source. More information on the forgery can be found here: http://www.zoryaninstitute.org/Table_Of_Contents/dialogue_mayewski.html

Clearly, the abundance of these forgeries used by Turkish websites and sources strips them of any possible crediblity. It also reflects their desperation to use lies in their losing battle to deny the Armenian Genocide.

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