Abigail Adams is pretty bitchy in this HBO Mini-Series called "John Adams." Which I am watching right now, in Blur-Ray with the Subtitles on and contrast/brightness set to full
I believe she is portrayed as more of a shrill feminist than the real Abigail Adams probably was...
I'm not really sure what your screen settings have to do with anything but how do you know how she "probably was"? And how do you make the leap from feminist to shrill or bitchy?
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1. You have to tell us what you're watching, even though you're on the John Adams message board? And that it's blue-ray? And that the subtitles are on?
2. And one of the main characters is so unpleasant to you, but you're watching the series again and/or own a copy?
3. And you've started two pointless threads about the same bizarre topic?
I think you're nuts. Apparently I'm not the only one.
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She had a point of view, often a strong one, which she would often express. That is a long way from "bitchy," or "shrill."
shareBut to people who think "feminist" is an insult, apparently, having opinions when you're a woman already makes you "bitchy".
I've only watched 4 episodes so far, but "bitchy" is really not what I would call Abigail in this series.
She's wise, she's loving and devoted, and she speaks her mind clearly and directly (for instance, when she cannot bear the separation anymore... and it turns out that HE is the one who realizes later on that he really needs to be with her, too).
John Adams is actually far more "bitchy" than she is, but he's a guy so no one will call him that...
I've really enjoyed this series so far.
Agreed. She seems to me an intelligent woman with strong views, something Adams himself admired as she was more than simply wife and mother of his children to him. She was one of his key advisors, not surprising given her level of erudition.
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I really wonder what exactly Abigail says in this series that makes her a "shrill" feminist.
Unless there is a sudden change in her characterisation after episode 4, I don't know...
So far, all she has done is point out that women are left out of decision-making processes and that it's probably not a great thing for society, since they are part of it and their concerns are just as "political" as men's concerns.
That's as moderate and reasonable a feminist statement as I can think of... Apparently, still too "aggressive" to some people's ears!
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That would be the feminists revision of history, they have to make sure women are given much more credit than they deserve in order to appear to be "strong women" which of course is nothing more than bitch in two and not one word. All this women fighting side by side with viking men and other cultures as not common if it happened at all it happened while villages were under attack, women accompanied the men on voyages of settlement but on raids no, unless of course they were prostitutes or one of the leaders women
Some women did contribute to history more than we will ever know, but not to the point as some snot nosed millennial female told me a month ago when she said that all those idols they have dug up wth big boobs and butts prove that "women were the most important sex." As I told her, no it just proves men have always liked big butts and boobs
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Actually, there have been long periods in history when small boobs were preferred.
As for Abigail Adams, it was not unusual for leader's women to have a say in their life. I don't know what that has to do with vikings, and I don't really care to know either, but I think Abigail Adams is well portrayed in this series, and IMO does not hinder John Adam's greatness but rather enhances it. Sometimes I find "strong women" characters to feel superimposed in stories (often they are there for present ideological purposes I suppose), but in this case it all felt quite natural to me.
Great series all in all.
I agree.. and I thought Laura Linney's Abigail Adams was spot on.
In a letter to to John Adams (they wrote over 1.000 during their marriage) Abigail wrote "Do not put such unlimited power into the hands of the Husbands. Remember all Men would be tyrants if they could. If perticuliar care and attention is not paid to the Laidies we are determined to foment a Rebelion, and will not hold ourselves bound by any Laws in which we have no voice, or Representation." . . March 31, 1776
In north and southeast Asia, big boobs and butt were not considered traditional feminine beauty hence why there is no prevalence of it in that part of the world.
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