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the C word and a question


This is the second Scottish film, the other being Trainspotting, that I've seen recently and I wonder about the frequent usage of the word *beep* used mostly to describe a male, although in Red Road it was used once in reference to the female anatomy. Is this word somehow less off color than it is here in the USA? And what is with the usage in reference to males? Also, there was a scene in which Jackie seemed to take semen from a condom and put it inside her - did I see this correctly? Wouldn't she have some semen in her from the sex act itself? I hope someone can provide some answers.

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as to the semen, he used a condom so that ,ideally, there should NOT be semen left inside her. Because she was preparing to go to the police and claim he raped her, she put the semen inside herself so that when the police did a physical exam of her, they would find the semen, then check his dna/semen, thus corroborating her 'rape' tale,( which she later decides to rescind.) that c word is really offensive isn't it? that's what really convinced me that these people were the lowest of the low- classwise.we have enough ugly derogatory words here as it is, but I am very glad that that word has not ever gained great popularity. i think it's interesting that in the u.s., ' d__ck '
is used as a general derogatorive among males but not the female version
('pu__y'having more specific and not general meaning and usage). i can't believe i'm writing this. I think I need to cook dinner and get back to normal life!

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Ah, an interesting cultural anthropological phenomenon. So many societies, so many customs. In my country, The Netherlands, the derogatory word for the male genital, 'lul', is used to offend males by all and sundry (young, old, male, female, working class, upper class).

More interesting, the female version 'kut' is - also by each and everyone - used in a whole different way: to express disappointment or empathy. Something like 'sh*t' as an exclamation (as in *beep* I forgot my appointment!') or 'sorry' (like when you hear someone has flunked an exam or something, you'd say 'wat kut voor je', which translates as 'oh, I'm sorry for you').

Remarkably enough, both words can be used in a light-hearted way, as opposed to their English counterparts. But that's Holland alright. :)


'All music is folk music. I ain't never heard no horse sing no song' - Louis Armstrong

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Funny to say, but in my country (venezuela) the word "Machete" used to describe man's member, is also used to call guys, but in this case is like a good thing, a guy who is machete is like saying a guy who is the best in something...in general any word used tu describes male member that you use to describe a guy is actually good for him

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In my experience the British throw the C word around far more casually than Americans do.


Redheads not warheads

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I'm also from the West of Scotland, and here the c-word is used just to generally mean "someone" - both my grandmothers used it frequently! There's a bit of a north-south divide with it, but it probably has more to do with class differences.

Witness the fuss over the Ken Loach film, Sweet Sixteen, which was awarded an 18 certificate by the UK censors because of the frequency of its use. There was much debate over this because the censors are London-based, and generally middle-class, so were ignoring the fact that the word is just a typical element of the colourful lexicon employed by young, working-class males in the west of Scotland.

Another example is Gary Oldman's Nil by Mouth, which is peppered with the c-word, but again, simply reflecting the language used on the south London estates which it depicts, and not always carrying an offensive intent.

It does seem more commonly used in Britain than in America, I'm not sure why that would be, something to do with our coarse Anglo-Saxon heritage!

Incidentally, the first use on British TV was not in 1976 as indicated in a post above - it was actually in a live TV debate, presented by David Frost, in 1970, and was used by publisher Felix Dennis. It's first scripted use on UK network television came 9 years later in 1979. There is no outright ban on any language on UK network TV, but there are rules restricting the most offensive terms (basically f- and c-words) to after 9pm. The regulators Ofcom, the British equivalent of the FCC, maintain a list of offensiveness, and the c-word is fixed at the top!

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not at all - too much of a generalisation.
It's the one remaining taboo word here and seldom gets an airing on public broadcast channels. It's not a word either myself, or friends would use in mixed company, but it is a refuge when industrial strength put downs are required.

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Interestingly, when Marianne Faithfull's concert "Sessions @ West 54th Street" (or is it 45th?) was aired on PBS in 2000, it went out late at night with just a PG advisory, presumably because the arbiters of taste at PBS didn't realise what an -ahem - colorful range of language Ms Faithfull possesses. And the song 'Why'd Ya Do It?', peppered with F-words and C-words, was uncut and unbleeped, along with Lennon's 'Working Class Hero', likewise Faithfull's ribald, expletive-spiced repartee between songs. So the precedent was set on US PBS, and not before time. Thanks again to Faithfull for breaking another boundary! And by the way, I'm half a Scot and often work in Glasgow - as others have said, *beep* is a commonplace and anyway, Brits just don't get their panties in a bunch about swearing on tv and in movies - and in public.

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In the West of Scotland, where I live, it's probably considered somewhat less insulting than elsewhere. However, it's a complex issue, and it really depends on context and company. It's more commonly used in conversation by people of lower social status. (I'm not passing judgement, I'm just saying.)

"Let's ask those cnuts over there." - In that sentence it probably just means "guys", and isn't necessarily intended to cause offence.

"That guy is a cnut - This is very definitely derogatory.


Example:

I approached the bar in a pub not too long ago. The place was really quiet and the barman was chatting to one of the chefs.

The barman didn't see me at the bar, but the chef did, and said to the barman, while motioning in my direction, "I'd better go, some cnut wants served."

I looked at him as he said it, and he immediately laughed and said, "Sorry about calling you a cnut. I forget my place sometimes."

The apology was unneccessary as I knew he didn't actually intend to cause offence. It's just the way some people talk around here!

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Call me a prude, but I'm also from Scotland and I cannot stand the 'c' word unless it is expressed by Billy Connelly!

When Clyde says it in the bar to her it actually turned my stomach! Very interesting film though although I did think it was very uncomfortable, stark viewing - guess that was the whole point though.

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I think in American the c work usages varies with subcultures and regions - I think I heard it on the Sopranos used to refer to men, but down where I live (the South) it is very rarely heard (at least I rarely hear it, but I'm a woman and men around here still usually won't use extremely vulgar language around a woman) and I can't recall hearing a man refer to another man that way. Men usually call each other MF. Calling a woman a c down here is probably the most nasty thing you can call her, it doesn't mean so much "female body part" but rather "dirty, disease ridden prostitute." Much less offensive to be called a b.

I had to laugh, though, watching this film, because in the States we can't call ciggerettes what the UK calls them. Does anyone know how that term got applied to gay men in the States? And while you're at it, why does the p word mean drunk in the UK and angry in the US?

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I think the p-ss is used to describe someone who is drunk in the UK because of the amount of times they have to go for a p-ss when they've had a few. Incidentally, the c word can be used in the same context. When horribly drunk the conversation between to friends could go:

A) How are you feeling?

B) I'm cnuted! So of my t-ts it's ridiculous.

or the same two chaps could be staggering down the street singing a song about how they are "a couple of cnuts". It's actually a term of endearment under these circumstances. As it should be, the female genitalia is a fine thing...

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I used to think that the c word was offensive...but actually it is about the same as the male c word which people use all the time and is actually quite erotic and now I think the female c word is also erotic....depends on what you are used to.

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"Some 6unt wants served" sounds quite offensive, if you know what I mean.

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It's a word...how can a word be offensive? Get a life, if you get offended over something you have nothing better to do than complain.

It's part of your language, get over it. If you try to censor it, you're denying people their heritage.

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Well I'm African-American and the "n" offends me. That mean I don't have a life? That's part of the language in sections of the this country (not just the South). The "c" doesn't bother me so much.

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According to the Concise Oxford Dictionary, a C --- is an "unpleasant person."

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The so called C word in Britain is used to describe a nasty man - he's a C---! In America it just doesn't sound right - here the Americans are embarrassed to use it, or have been, and now they use it to descibe a certain kind of woman - what kind of woman I haven't worked out yet - maybe a teaser.

But whatever you think of it the C word is a very powerful word - it's the kind of word that can turn an arguement into a fight.

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I know some highly educated women who use the c-word as a feminist statement. They argue that the word is only considered "dirty" because women and their genitalia have been forever stigmatised as "dirty". They use the word more often because they want to normalise it *to some extent*, and thereby rid themselves and their sexual organs of any connotation with dirt. Denying them the use of the word, they argue, is a denial of their right to power. Whereas the use and overuse of words for the phallus, such as pr*ck, d*ck, c*ck etc. invest men with the power of the word.

Ask yourself why you don't like it or use it. Is it because it sounds dirty?
Why should an anatomical word like that be so offensive to so many?
A bizarre and quite unique phenomenon, I think.

Personally I think it should be used more often.
Especially on this board.

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I agree completely: the use of the C word should be reflected upon not as a word with a unamimous meaning, but should be contextualised within the various cultures in which it used.

In Scotland the word does not have the same meaning as that in England or Amercia. From a relativist perspective this does not mean that the Scots are "lowlifes" or "woring class" at all, and such accusations come from the perspective of English and Americans who think they culturally superior.

But what is Culture?

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all these 'c' 'f' 'b' 'p' words are getting me really confused. words are only as powerful as you respond to them. Mind you, it is rather satisfying to say on occassions a short, sharp expletive. Rather than everyday language, I like to keep them for special occassions like when I hit my thumb with the hammer.
But in saying that I have no problem with swearing in movies or books. In fact it would be unnatural not to have them.
What IS rediculous is the fact that I would have my post deleted if I dared say the 'f' or 'c' word here.

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I dont think the poster was trying to be superior. maybe it was just that the person hadnt seen many films other than american.
the C word here is like the ultimate bad word.. if someone says it, male or female, especially in the presence of another female, theyd best take a step or 2 back and hope theres a door close by. on the other hand, 'p_ssy' is used like "youre a wimp", and not as offensive even tho we're talking about the same body part. why? i think its just what we're used to. thats all.
just because they asked a question doesnt mean anyone is superior or inferior. i did, however take offense to your comment that americans think they are culturally superior. i happen to be american. im also of scottish heritage, and working class, and maybe considered lowlife to some because we dont have loads of money. (here we'd use the word white trash or trailer trash) and while we're on that subject. whats wrong with being working class? i happen to be proud of it.


"RAY!! ya take that diaper off yer head and ya put it back onto yer sister!"-Dot, raising arizona

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@jcook: Well said.
What's this week's obsession? Provided that it doesn't involve green ears or ra*e? Who cares?

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@snikwas1: Good post.

What's this week's obsession? Provided that it doesn't involve green ears or ra*e? Who cares?

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Hi there, i'm from Glasgow and grew up in the red road. the *beep* word, which is used frequently in glasgow, is used as a general insult to both men and women alike.

and if you check out the lyrics form scottish bands such as the view and the fratellis, you'll find a few *beep* liberally sprinkled in there too!

haven't actually seen the movie tho', so i dunno about the sperm scene you mentioned!

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