Awful stuff. To think the director is meant to be good as well. It's got no point to it. God knows how this kinda crap ever gets funding. Brits can't make films, honest they can't.
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I do agree with the fact that this isn't a very good movie& it's not no plot, but.. dissagree with the idea that Brits can't make movies.
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I think the film was great. As for the comment about Brits you only need to look at previous winners at the Oscars to see the wealth of talent that Britain holds. It's not all about big blockbusters with special effects but character films with substance and reality.
shareGoodness me. 'Character films with substance and reality'? Give me a break! No wonder you guys don't have a film industry. Stick to your flat TV dramas and vacuous Tabloid papers.
shareKeira Knightley - Pride & Prejudice
Judi Dench - Mrs Henderson Presents
Two British actresses nominated for Oscars in the last Acadamy Awards for Best Actress for two British films.
So think we have quite a bit of success thanks!! Just depends what your taste is. Maybe you don't like character films, fair enough, but some people do. We all have different tastes. I'm not keen on War movies but I appreciate a lot are very good just not my cup of tea, doesn't mean I should criticise them all and say they are all crap, bit ignorant that.
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What disappoints me is the lack of ambition Brits have in terms of their films. America makes movies, not films. They have honed the skills of making material for large international audiences. The same applies to both Hong Kong and India; both of whom have robust film industries. To flag two acting nominations in last year's Oscars reeks of desperation. Am I not correct in saying Keira Knightley didn't even get a BAFTA nomination! You're telling me her own country shunned her! Shame on you guys!
Britain does make good music... or at least used to. There are things you guys do well. Unfortunately filmmaking isn't one of them.
Desperation, how exactly, I was simply pointing out that we do have talented actors and film makers, so what if she didn't get a BAFTA nomination, just because u get nominated for one doesn't mean u have to get nominated for them all. Why shud the British automatically nominate her just because she's British, the judges chose the actresses they thought were good regardless of nationality, it would be very prejudiced to favour someone because they are British, for all u know she cud have narrowly missed out on a nomination.
As for lack of ambition, I think The Constant Gardner was very ambitious and tackled a serious topic very well. As have quite a few other films.
U just don't like British films full stop, that does not mean they are crap. If u have such a problem with British films, may I suggest u don't watch them and stick to what u like.
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The Constant Gardner was not a British film. It was produced by Focus Features (part of Universal Pictures). There was equity funding provided by the UK Film Council but the bulk of money came from the US. My point is The Constant Gardner is an American film.
Everything you guys do is funded by the US. Harry Potter is paid for by Warner Bros. Those Working Title films are paid for by Universal. The only things you do autonomously are crap like Love + Hate, which as I understand it no one but yourself in England went to watch. It bombed because it sucked!
You are hailing an industry that doesn’t exist. You have no industry. Whatever exists out there of merit is funded by us. What’s the top film in the UK on any given week? Exactly! It’s always American!
I wonder why people get the impression Americans are ignorant. Most of your mainstream films are 90 minute long advertisements, that are just pumped out in there masses so idiots like yourself won't have to think to hard about a storyline. I live with two Americans and after showing them your little thread they both came to the agreement your an 'ass'.
I don't hate all American films, quite the opposite some are my favourite, but I'm not as closed minded as yourself.
'It bombed because it sucked!' It didn't do so great because its hard to find distribution for any indie film, so it probably didn't make it into many big theatres. Our film industry doesn't have the money yours has because it isn't built on the corruption your film industry and the rest of your country is built on.
Have u seen the size of America compared to England, they produce a lot more films, obviously they are more likely to be at the top of the box office.
Why do u have such a need to put the British film industry down, do u have nothing better to do with ur life than moan and complain!
So what if films are funded by the Americans, So what??? Other things make a film, the writer, the director, the actors, all the crew, not just which country the funding came from.
Have u ever stopped to think that maybe people have different tastes, and that what u don't like other people may like and vice versa.
What makes u think that no one but people in England watched the film. Also the film has won two awards for Best Film, one in America, the other somewhere in Europe.
Oh, here we go again! I’m not really interested in your opinions, or those of your American pals (who are probably doing their utmost to convince you Brits they have adapted your lacklustre European sensibilities) have to say about me. This message board isn’t about me. It’s about a film called ‘Love + Hate’. A film that doesn’t deserve to exist because so few people actually went to see it.
Say what you will about America, the fact is there is a movie industry that makes movies the world embraces. Now, I’m not saying you guys should make films that rule the international box-office, primarily because you don’t have the ability to do so. Your films are not concept driven. They are in fact cast driven, meaning your attempts to attract audiences lies in your ability to attach prolific actors. This usually means you need to cast American actors because you have no real stars. (And don’t reel off names cuz you know none of them has the ability to open a movie on their own.) This is where you get in serious bother as you lack the imagination to come up with concept driven movies. You guys would never have made ‘Hostel’ or ‘John Tucker Must Die!’ These films don’t cost much, do exactly what they’re meant to and have an established audience in mind. Who exactly was ‘Love + Hate’ aimed at? It’s a film about young people yet has such a lack of understanding about what it’s like to be young and in love. I understand there is a large Asian (Indian) community in the UK and even they didn’t watch it. What’s the point of making films if no one wants to see your film? Where’s the logic?
You wanna see a better example than ‘Love + Hate’ then rent ‘Crazy/ Beautiful’. Here’s a movie about multi-ethnic young love that pushes the envelope. It’s got heightened emotions, complex character dynamics and a sense of wonderment. It looks good and feels authentic. There is no way you can say ‘Love + Hate’ wasn’t trying to appeal to the same crowd as the latter yet it failed dismally.
Maybe we ought to agree to disagree.
where do u get the bizarre idea that not many people watched it, lots of people watched it in this country, maybe not in others because of low marketing budget.
Whats so funny is u hate the film and think it doesnt deserve to exist yet u keep moving back to this board to discuss it.
I have the right to defend my opinions. This film is endemic of what reduces the UK film industry to the laughing-stock of the world. Do you honestly think if the film had a marketing budget that was sufficient enough to get a regular ad slot on MTV it would have fared any better? No it wouldn't because the subject-matter and style in which the film was expressed was so hopelessly flat. It's a film that hopes to get by on an initial idea and then is too lazy to do anything with it.
You're lying by saying lots of people in the UK watched it. They did not. It didn't even enter the top-ten of your nation's box-office at the time of release. You guys have no idea of how to make a movie let alone sell a movie.
According to the Metro newspaper it was in the top five.
shareNo it wasn't. Look at the Nielsen official figures man! The highest position it got was #20 playing on 44 screens. 'Squid and the Whale' was only playing on 24 screens and came in higher! I don't know where you get you're figures from but it's shameful especially considering you live in the UK and have easier access to information. Please stop trying to pull the wool over my eyes.
shareMy figures took into account the number of cinemas it played at. Fot it to get to 20 in comparison with all films (if thats how its worked out for Neilson before u start saying but u don't even understand Neilson) is brilliant considering it was low budget and had little marketing. The squid and the whale had a lot of publicity in magazines and papers in the UK. I can't really be bothered replying to u anymore regardless of what stupid comments you come out with. You are not that important that I'd attempt to pull the wool over ur eyes or continue replying to. Bye bye Mr or Miss Monster.
shareNo hard feelings dude. That's the nature of debate. It's been good. I agree, we can keep rattling on about this for months but it's getting boring. I stand by my claim the British have about as much skill with a movie camera as we do with a soccer ball, but that's cool man, that's cool... go with god.
Considering that particularly nasty individual hasn't posted for a while, do you think they're finally receiving some much needed therapy?
"You know, sometimes being brainwashed is good. Clean your mind of all the bad stuff"
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narrow minded much? a lot of people out there believe that American films are mostly over the top, corny, unrealistic, superficial bullsh*t that's more interested in making money than creating art. but then that would be a bit ignorant to put ALL american film makers under the same umbrella, wouldnt it?
please. why do some people feel the need to make EVERY discussion into an 'our country is better than yours' thing? if british film makers wanted to be more like america, they'd start being more like america. but they dont. have you never stopped to think that maybe there are differing opinions of what makes a film 'good' anyway?
personally i liked this film because it depicted the way things really are in parts of the north of england. plus it looked at the gang mentality of racists and bigots, and how they may be afraid to step away from the group even if they know that what they're doing is wrong. the film was quite insightful in a lot or ways.
maybe it wasnt 'hollywood blockbuster' material but isnt it kind of obvious that it wasnt aiming to be? :rolls eyes:
If you didnt like this film your an idiot. for watching it. what did you expect, you ignoramous. This film is amazing, beautiful to look at and has an incredible sound track. I woulndt say it was entertaining, but then neither is memento, its still worth watching. what a stupid thread!!!
"...I'm a contradiction"
It's laughable that anyone would think the big overbudgeted movies coming out of Hollywood are better than the average British or foreign movie. Most Hollywood blockbuster movies cant even pass a test audience's censorship and editting. They're so worried about losing endorsments or box office revenue they bow to pressure and change storylines and endings and cut out little details so what you have is a 90 minute music video with iPod, Nokia and Coca Cola endorsements.
Getting funding from the U.S. doesnt take away from the fact that Brits, more often than not, make more realistic and thought-provoking films. I prefer the realism of art imitating life.
I COMPLETELY have to disagree. I'm a new yorker, and i am constantly watching the sundance channel so i can watch those fantastic british films. they seem to send a much more meaningful message than anything an american can make, or those dumb immature comedies you will always find here in the states.
to say that brits cant make films, or that love + hate is an awful movie, you must be incredibly close-minded.
i actually think that europeans to almost everything better, if not everything.
fortunately, if the content of love + hate is completely accurate, i think the arrival of so many asians here has come with less racism. the racism here seems to be focused more on african americans and hispanic people. though it all depends where you live, so dont take my word for it.
well i like the film,it was very good .However the plot needs some fine tunning,and some things are left unanswered.Other than that the soundtrack went perfect with the film,and the main idea of the whole romeo and juliet/starcrossed loves was very good.
shareGoodness, it seems there's life in the old thread yet! I still stand by the things I said in 2006. "Love + Hate" remains one of the worst films ever made. I find it shocking the British are shameless enough to regard "Slumdog Millionaire" as one of 'their' own movies as opposed to being an Indian film. Give me the ol' stars and stripes any day. We single handedly shaped the style of modern movies that everyone else is following. I bet there isn't a single loser who was involved in "Love + Hate" who wouldn't sell their soul to Hollywood if it came knocking. The reality is Hollywood won't come knocking any time soon because you suck. And to all those fellow Americans bad mouthing our cultural superiority: shame on you guys.
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I find it shocking the British are shameless enough to regard "Slumdog Millionaire" as one of 'their' own movies as opposed to being an Indian film.
Give me the ol' stars and stripes any day.
I bet there isn't a single loser who was involved in "Love + Hate" who wouldn't sell their soul to Hollywood if it came knocking.
We single handedly shaped the style of modern movies that everyone else is following.
And to all those fellow Americans bad mouthing our cultural superiority: shame on you guys.