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what is it that U can't understand?!

posted 16 years ago by double_edged18
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Actually i find this a Great movie

it was about postpartum depression ,which is a real life & terrible thing to experience , we had a case of a women caught on camera trying to kill her baby by throwing bed sheets on his face & removes it after a while with the poor child kicking & shaking ( she was trying to kill her baby but she saves him from what she did !) does it make sense to some ppl who can't understand how she's protective & careless all together..
the only thing confusing me is the witchcraft part !! :S

[–] cantstandfanboys 16 years ago

This movie was just plain insulting to people's intelligence. That scene at the auction/party where the director uses tries to scare people with a really cheap, meaningless illusion of suspense was embarassing. You could not connect at all with the main character unless your a crazy white woman who is a bad mother to her child. It tries to delve into interesting subject matter like witchcraft, psychosis, and the supernatural but in a very SHALLOW way.

What was the point of Mrs. Casperian if she is just suddenly taken out of the picture with no resolution?

Just a horrible movie all around. And oh yea, Elizabeth Shue looks like Ellen Degeneres for 60 percent of the film, so taking an attractive actress and making her look BUTCH is a complete turnoff for me. The English actor is a David Craig rip-off and the cast was a disaster. LIFETIME, people. LIFETIME. The same people who like this garbage are probably the same people who will vote for Hillary.

[–] Brookic0 16 years ago

What in the world does anything about this movie have to do with voting for Hillary. I like Lifetime, but I am not a big Hillary fan myself. Although, I'd much rather see her as President than Obama. Sorry, I don't feel we need someone as President who supports a preacher that says we deserved 911 and is clearly racist. Plus, his name sounds too much like the USA's biggest enemy Osama. If we get Obama as President then our country will be doomed, he is inexperienced, atleast Clinton has been in the White House before and McCain has experience in war related matters. If Obama gets in there he'll pull our troops out without an escape plan and next thing you know we'll be in war in our own country.

Now, as far as this movie is concerned..The whole time I was wondering if she had PPD, if her husband was trying to off her, if the nanny had cursed her or was trying to remove a curse, if she was still in the hospital and was just imagining all of this while slowly dying from childbirth or if it had something to do with the diary and someone dying in the house? At the end it showed that it was the PPD angle, but why in the world did they throw in the witch craft and the girl that used to live there, and leave them unresolved?

[–] jaffacake2k 16 years ago

Speaking as a European im astonished at your ignorance concerning the current electoral candidates! Its no wonder that the US is in such a mess if you are the average American voter. In fact: Are you old enough to vote? What made me ask was the 'Obama sounds like Osama' comment. I suppose you wouldnt want another Bush in office as it sounds like 'tush'...

[–] woohaa_mj 16 years ago

I agree. That Obama comment made no sense. The whole thing about Hillary is that she continues to talk about changes and new policies, but her entourage has technically been in the White House before as well as the Bush family. The only change we will have is Obama, because every other candidates have had a chance to "run the country" in some way or another. Just because Obama is not 60 years old does not make him inexperienced. How many of the other candidates have been president before? Right! I rest my case...

[–] buythenumbers 15 years ago

The point about not wanting Obama as President is because he hasn't been a senator for five (5) years, ten (10) years. He ONLY knows one thing:

"TAKE YOUR MONEY" and "SOCIALISM" (making the US government operate almost everything of importance.

The idea is "TO GET THE GOVERNMENT OFF MY BACK" and get rid of the US Tax Code. Even the new Treasury Secretary couldn't understand it!

[–] Arenjee 15 years ago

I think it was basically about psychosis. She was sick before she got pregnant. pregnancy worsened the symptoms. No one around her was sensitive enough to detect the problem including the professionals. Her dancing career probably gave people the impression that she was stable and disciplined. She was not planning for the pregnancy, hence the lack of suspicion, shock, and fear, she was probably secretly angry as it would have ruined her career in the short term. she suppressed the anger. Had suppressed hatred for the unborn baby and this lead to guilt.

So she could not trust herself. That was the cause of all the insecurity. The rescuing of the baby doll on the train was done in a state of fugue she wasn't conscious at the time, to prove to herself that she could love, protect, or rescue a child. The drowning of the baby doll was expression of suppressed desire to harm the baby. The nanny was trying to break the curse, she had no knife, it was imagined. Forgetting the hair dye and the wet clothes all over the place is an example of fugue or lost time, an acute insecurity about her perceived ruined appearance. She is crazy during those periods and probably has another personality. She imagined the girl running around the house, guess the directors wanted us to see it as real as she did, but it didn’t work, she was loony at the time she didn’t even turn the lights on. Leaving the baby and running out of the house is awkward. The natural instinct is to clutch your baby and hide. Perhaps this is a secret desire for an intruder to kill the baby on her behalf. The rats were imagined from day one, a phobia, that’s why the exterminator found no droppings. The phobia was exaggerated during pregnancy, hence the many traps and poison. The diary was actually blank. The store clerk looked at her weird from the start because she was new in town and seemed a little off, this further heightened her state of paranoia. She is paranoid because she knows she will be persecuted for having harmful intentions for the baby. Remember that the clerk wasn’t really sure about the university the young girl was in, hence the failure to get her on phone.
The husband and mother were clueless like most people are, they think motherhood is instinctive, or he was probably ashamed of publicity. The concept is nice, but I think it was a poorly delivered story, leaving viewers in a state of confusion.

It was a good movie with too many vital scenes either missing or edited out. Like the producers were changed at the end of filming, but before editing. Not a good thing to watch.

[–] barber2626 11 years ago

Out of all these stupid comments about politics this one is about the most intelligent I have read. Basically I said the same thing that she was sick and if she hadnt gotten sick from the birth it was going to happen at some point. I am a firm believer of Not Believing in postpartum depression or at least its not enough for me to think its the excuse of a mother killing er children. Men do it whats there excuse.

[–] cthelite 16 years ago

Your naivete is insulting.

[–] hilljayne 15 years ago

I liked the movie and I get it.

Professional Jayne Mansfield fanatic/lover™ since 1980.

[–] bensmybaby 15 years ago

If you get it then explain the university student

if it were up to me I'd chose to speak like Humphrey Bogart, but....it isn't

[–] arkast 15 years ago

sorry but this movie was really bad.There was no plot.It was like a documantary of a woman's life.This movie really sucks.I have rated only two movies under 6/10 and this is one of them.

[–] kreemer 15 years ago

Ha ha! Just watched the film and I think it's absolutely splendid! I should have guessed the end but I kept waiting for stuff to make sense.

Then the end, I understood it. Completely shocked. Out of my mind. She buried the baby!

I really did think that something about voodoo and all that was about to be revealed. Or perhaps a horrible collusion between the mother and her husband.

But oh no! She buries the baby! Superb. For television that is!

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[–] skyediver 15 years ago

I thought it was a bit sad. I assumed early on after she had the baby that she might have post-partum psychosis, that she was imagining everything (e.g. the nanny trying to hurt the baby, that she thought there was an intruder in their house, etc.). And it pissed me that even though she was hospitalized for her illness, the doctors were not able to diagnose her properly, and the husband didn't even have a clue as to what's been happening to his wife. I mean, what kind of a husband is that? Granted, he's always busy, but didn't he notice anything odd about her whenever he's home?

When she got up from bed and took the "doll" to bury it, I thought, "Oh no, she's going to bury the baby!" And I was right.

[–] barber2626 11 years ago

Postpartum depressing is just another excuse.At some point a female will go nuts it isnt because of just having a child. Is just having a baby can be a trigger but if it wasnt to happen then it eventually will. I had 4 kids and trust me I had my moments but I just do not feel birth is a excuse for someone going nuts.

[–] juxtapose70 11 years ago

You're right. It's not an excuse, but it's a reason. Post Partum Depression is a horribly lonely feeling - Post Partum Psychosis is something entirely different and just as real. It's an established fact. Just because you had four kids with no depression afterward is irrelevant. Not all women are as lucky. Count your blessings instead of pouring out judgements. Otherwise, you might be called on to explain in detail the actions of Andrea Yates and many others.

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