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It's not about plotholes, it's about security flaws


So, you are making experiments in some kind of facility that it's essentially a prison-lab for robots with AI. Obviously, at some point they will want (and attempt) to get out. In fact, we do know for certain that AVA is trying so.

So, it's not rocket science to figure out a security scheme for your facility that takes that in consideration and, at least, what you will do in that scenario, if it eventually happens. That's pretty much common sense.

Some people here argue about "arrogance" and such, but that's plainly stupid. You have intelligent robots, with physical force that can get aggressive and they're contained by physical barriers. No one in their right mind wouldn't not have a contingence plan.

At this point, you could have multiple options: you could have a basic panic room with outside communications, he could even afford to have a small private army (a la umbrella rescue team) that are callable, and you could have a complete lock system for doors to seal your facility from within your panic room (that overrides the regular system) and so on...

But hey, someone expectedly so intelligent, just decides that the best plan is to go Doom 2 style armed with some rudimentary weapon and trying to knock her down.

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You have intelligent robots, with physical force that can get aggressive and they're contained by physical barriers. No one in their right mind wouldn't not have a contingence plan.
The robots didn't have (exceptional) physical force. On the contrary, the robots were designed to be relatively frail, and Nathan trained like hell every day in order be fit, so that in case of emergency he would still be able to physically overpower his creations. That was his contingency plan.

you could have a basic panic room with outside communications, he could even afford to have a small private army (a la umbrella rescue team) that are callable,
I think Nathan did have such a room, it's the room that Caleb was eventually locked in. Maybe Nathan did have a private army, but those guys would be stationed some distance away from the lab in order to ensure complete secrecy of his project, and possibly Nathan simply made the mistake/judgement error to not call those guys yet because he thought he could still contain the situation himself.

you could have a complete lock system for doors to seal your facility from within your panic room (that overrides the regular system) and so on...
The contingency plan that Nathan had needed in this case was not against the intelligence or force of the robots, but against the cleverness of the invited geek who switched loyalties and who hacked the computer system in order to reprogram the security measures. What you propose wouldn't have made a difference to the outcome of the movie.

But hey, someone expectedly so intelligent, just decides that the best plan is to go Doom 2 style armed with some rudimentary weapon and trying to knock her down.
That's the approach that whole governments (from developed countries) fall back upon when they feel they have lost control of a situation; and usually it works.

By the way, the story needed Ava to escape. If Nathan had some other countermeasures in place, Ava and Caleb would have found some way to circumvent them.


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The robots didn't have (exceptional) physical force. On the contrary, the robots were designed to be relatively frail, and Nathan trained like hell every day in order be fit, so that in case of emergency he would still be able to physically overpower his creations. That was his contingency plan.


Obviously, they didn't have Thor-like physical force, but, unlike Hollywood usually wants yout to believe, real human beings are quite fragile. You would be surprised how small it could take to kill or severly damage a human person. Moreover, Nathan is usually alone. Even a loss of consciousness by a small agression could render disastrous. Keep in mind the broken glass at the beginning of the movie. That your continengy plan is to stay fit...c'mon....

I think Nathan did have such a room, it's the room that Caleb was eventually locked in. Maybe Nathan did have a private army, but those guys would be stationed some distance away from the lab in order to ensure complete secrecy of his project, and possibly Nathan simply made the mistake/judgement error to not call those guys yet because he thought he could still contain the situation himself.


So, you do care about NDA's and such (an trust a nerd guy who is expected to go outside afterwards) but you do care about secrecy of a small private army that are professionals and that you pay well. Well...

Moreover, your statement makes really no sense: how do you believe goverments work in critically secret facilities? There are plenty of critical classified things in military bases that any goverment doesn't want to leak. Pretty easy: you design your facility with layers of security. Outside, there are stationed the guards and security staff that don't get a clue of what's done in the levels below, which are heavily protected by checkpoints. What you are telling is that a guard that sits outside the house (level 0) would have a clue of what'is happening at level -5, with no windows and access only by elevators and checkpoints. Ok, if you want to belive so....

The contingency plan that Nathan had needed in this case was not against the intelligence or force of the robots, but against the cleverness of the invited geek who switched loyalties and who hacked the computer system in order to reprogram the security measures. What you propose wouldn't have made a difference to the outcome of the movie.


A contingency plan has to be designed for expected and unexpected causes. It's pretty much like new Nuclear Power Plants, even if you have a plan for every possible cause of a meltdown, the new ones security policy is to add an additional layer of safety expecting a meltdown of unknown cause, be it Godzilla or whatever. That is, you assume that something could unexplainable happen, and be prepared for it.

On the other hand, if your experiment was about manipulation, it's not that unexpected the guest could switch loyalty.

Morever, he could hack the system because all the security was lame: Nathan get drunk and he picked a key. No passwords, no encryption, no fingerprint reading no facial recognition. C'mon man, even in my real life job, which is not something security primordial, I do have to validate entrance with my fingerprint. Then, even if you had access to a critical area, I don't see any reason why Nathan wouldn't have password check at this workstation, among other things...


That's the approach that whole governments (from developed countries) fall back upon when they feel they have lost control of a situation; and usually it works.


What a bizarre statement. Really.





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I was thinking exact same thing while watching the end of the movie.
Great movie nonetheless

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Caleb reprogrammed the security. Though you could definitely argue retina scanners might have been a better option to have, instead of access cards.

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