IF the christians took down Book of daniel they will be after desperate housewives next cause those shows have sex and gay people in them! Or un-holy things in general. Dang.. Wait they should just shut down tv.
shareThey've been trying to get Nip/Tuck off the air since episode one. . .and look, they're going on Season 4. Somehow, I don't think that show is going anywhere until FX decides it's run it's course. (Just in case there's any confusion, that's a good thing)
Why not target Will and Grace for having homosexual characters and sex as well. . .
Why not target Will and Grace for having homosexual characters and sex as well. . .
Because Will & Grace has yet to actually show a romantic gay kiss.. Desparate Housewives was able to accomplish, in one season, what W&G hasn't done in, what is it, five years?
"Quite the double act, Sirius Black and James Potter!"share
Actually, I think it's more like 8, but I haven't seen the show in about 4 years
shareoh will and grace forgot about that one!
shareJust to set the record straight, as an active Christian, those organizations (specifically the AFA) don't speak for all of us. I am a big proponant of free speech and, honestly, I couldn't care less what's on TV. If it offends me, I don't watch it. However, I did watch the first 2 episodes of Book of Daniel and I don't believe that it was cancelled due to the AFA's efforts. Put simply, I found it uninteresting and boring, mostly due to the numerous, exhaustive problems presented in each episode. There was simply too much going on at one time with no resolution in sight. The show was cancelled because many viewers either, like me, found it uninteresting, or were offended by its content. The ratings were low, so they pulled it off the air before they lost millions on a bad show.... And I don't think Desperate Housewives or Nip/Tuck, both of which have very high ratings, are going anywhere anytime soon.
shareNo, you're wrong. The reborn Christians are a very strong force right now. They are successfully changing many things that we have taken for granted---like freedom of speech,thought and even shows-TV,radio or any other. And let's not even discuss a womans right to do what she sees fit in regards to her own body. I believe everyone should have the choice on everything this world has to offer--if you don't like a TV show,radio program,restaurant,person etc. pick another one!! Don't tell me what I have to watch,listen to etc. Allow me the choice even if you don't like it!!! I loved the show--it was like Desperate Housewives--quirky and funny and it certainly took my mind off of the mess our Country is in today!!
shareIf things are so bad here maybe you should think about leaving the U.S. for somewhere more free like, .... or .... oh I guess there is no place where people have more freedoms. And before you play the abortion card. No one cares what you do to your body, it's the body of the baby being killed without a say in the matter that's the problem.
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Both of those shows have been the subject of protest from far right groups. The difference with them is that they have good ratings, so the sponsors are not too frightened by threats of boycotts as the general public is supporting the shows. Book of Daniel had BAD ratings, so there wasn't much for the sponsors to see but lost revenue from people refusing to buy their products.
Book of Daniel also dealt directly with faith and religious theology - MAJOR land mines in network television! Depicting Jesus - or any major religious figure - in a fictitious story line (thus necessitating an interpretation of how he would react to something based upon the writers' and producers' understanding of who the person may have been) is risky no matter what medium is used. It also is sure to rile up at least one group following that theology that will vehemently object to such a depiction. Housewives and Nip/Tuck at least avoid that problem as the only theology ever stated comes from a non-iconic, secular character, so the perceived offences of these shows are not of an extremely personal nature with these groups.
They won't go after 'Desperate Housewives' because Laura Bush watches it.
shareha lol laura bush watches it? How funny
shareI'm pretty sure that a more significant reason for this show going off the air would be its being too "busy". In the first two eps (which ive seen) every character has a plotline running. Its too much. it looked to me that the creators of the show were adding as much 'shock' as was possible in the show, turning it off most viewers that were overwhelmed.
As for the "Christian" opposition, from what I gather its a given for any such show on the airwaves, so I doubt its the definitive factor for the show's cancellation, unless the network really didn;t feel there was a reason to keep it running, and didn't want the grief.
I think that the BOD was just getting interesting when it was pulled, I find it more offensive to take a show off the air when I pay good money for dvr service and have my scheduling messed up due to people who have the choice to turn the show off if they do not enjoy it. The world as everyone knows is complex, but freedom of speech is important and I personally think that if the show was cancelled due to the responses rather than something interanl at NBC then it sort of like not having freedom of thought and good grief that would be great on somedays, but I really think people would be irate if they could not think what they wanted!!!
there are more stars in the sky than grains of sand on earth.ponder on that!
lol yeah my dvr was all best up. It recorded like law and order instead.
shareno not really, people WATCH those 2 shows.
Book of Daniel fizzled out after 2 episodes. They should have made it a little more plot heavy and notthrown so many damn cast members at the Audience.
Anyways, with TV and Movies streaming we may be seeing the 'death' of Broadcast Television....Broadcast TV is just the 'advertisement' for the show you can get online.
"No, you're wrong. The reborn Christians are a very strong force right now. They are successfully changing many things that we have taken for granted---like freedom of speech,thought and even shows-TV,radio or any other."
You people are such hypocrites. Look at who's really destroying the first amendment: not too long ago, Grand Theft Auto San Andreas got taken off the shelves for bullsh*t reasons (that content is well within the bounds of an R rating). Who was responsible for that? None other than Hilary Clinton, who's as secular as it gets. Is that somehow OK b/c she's a Democrat?
Number 1, I order you to go take a number 2.
-Grand Theft Auto San Andreas got taken off the shelves for bullsh*t reasons (that content is well within the bounds of an R rating). -
Grand Theft auto got taken off the shelves cause there was a sex game in it, if you got a certin code or hidden thing u got to play a sex game and kids were findin it, and it was put inthe adult section.
also if u are lettin ur kid play this game, and gy kid i mean 16 or younger, u dont deserve to have kids cause u dont know what ur doing as a parent.
http://benny44.blogspot.com/
That content is well covered by an R rating and the ESRB knows it. It's b/c of the pressure Clinton put on them that they p*ssied out and caved in. And have you even seen this thing? The main character is clothed!
"Why must so many christians feel that it is their duty to try to get tv shows, video games, movies, etc. banned for being controversial?"
You didn't listen to a damn word I said did you?
Number 1, I order you to go take a number 2.
That content is well covered by an R rating and the ESRB knows it. It's b/c of the pressure Clinton put on them that they p*ssied out and caved in. And have you even seen this thing? The main character is clothed!
"Why must so many christians feel that it is their duty to try to get tv shows, video games, movies, etc. banned for being controversial?"
You didn't listen to a damn word I said did you?
I've resisted posting for a really long time now but I've come across several threads like these on various tv shows and movies. This post is directed toward those christians who subscribe to the AFA's values.
Why must so many christians feel that it is their duty to try to get tv shows, video games, movies, etc. banned for being controversial? Are they afraid their children will be corrupted? Whatever happened to good parenting? If you don't want your children to consume these types of media, why don't you watch tv with them, surf on the internet with them, go to the movies with them? You can only reinforce your values on your children so much. Children, like anyone else, are often tempted even more when things are prohibited from them. But if you take an active part in your children's lives and explain to them logically why they shouldn't do certain things, you shouldn't be so afraid of what they'll be exposed to. No one is forcing these christians to watch certain tv shows, so why do they have to cram their beliefs down everyone else's throats? Jesus taught tolerance, so isn't it awfually un-christian for people to force everyone else to adhere to their value systems? Just some food for thought.
You said, and I quote, "Jesus taught tolerance".
If you are going to quote what Christ did, do it right. If Jesus taught tolerance, the Bible would have read as follows:
And Jesus said unto His disciples, “Go into all the world, teaching all men to live any way they want, and urging each to find his or her own path to God. Let not any one of you make someone feel inferior or victimized because of your beliefs. Above all, be tolerant. Verily, verily, I say unto you that what you believe and how you live do not matter, so long as you are sincere.”
Leaving that place, Jesus led His disciples to Jerusalem where they broke bread at Club Upper Room. There He addressed them again, saying, “I am one of the ways, one of the truths, and just one possible life. If you are basically a good person, you’re okay in my book. And if you choose to come to the Father (or Mother, if you prefer) through Me, that’s cool. Now go forth to live according to whatever feels good to you.”
And there was much rejoicing.
Seems to me that the Christian community should be intolerant to anything that is not of God. I just wonder, if we christians weren't laid back and were more like Peter, James, John, Stephen, the Apostle Paul and, more importantly, Jesus, what this world would be like today? Just some food for thought.
Could it be that NBC cancelled it because no one watched it? Or maybe because it sucked? Comparing DH and NP to this trash is like comparing Pulp Fiction and The Matrix to Hudson Hawk.
shareFriday night is not like TGIF was in the late '80s, early '90s. It's a terrible time slot, and I think no matter who was protesting BoD, it wouldn't have survived on Friday nights. If they'd started it out as a companion to a more popular show (like on Sundays, which would have really bothered the AFA), it would have had a better chance.
Besides, the AFA are a bunch of political blowhards. They're not truly about promoting Christian values, they're about pushing an ideological agenda to make themselves money, elect more wingnuts, and hoard power. They don't like anything that isn't geared toward 6-year olds, so take their "protests" with a grain of salt.
As for people who think there are too many plotlines, that's ridiculous. Heaven forbid we make people use their brain while watching a TV show. If anything, the characters were excellent, well-acted, and well-written. It reminded me a lot of Six Feet Under, and should be given another chance on cable. Bravo, maybe? They're owned by NBC.
Do you really think if NBC had a chance to make money with this show by putting it on a different night and/or time they wouldn't do it? Of course they would. NBC is owned by General Electric, and believe me they would. The fact is the show has an incredibly small following and it could never recover the production costs by putting it on Bravo or any other cable channel for that matter. You're giving the AFA way much more credit than they deserve. It's one thing to have a group protest a show and threaten to boycott the shows sponsors, but it's another thing entirely when the show gets crappy ratings because it's just not a very good show. If your saying it was the AFA that got this show cancelled then you should also admit it conducted a successful campaign. If it didn't then you have to admit that the show just sucked and couldn't get ratings....even with all the publicity and hype. Which is it?
shareI probably gave the AFA little to no credit. Like I said, they'll protest anything that isn't geared toward 6-year olds. No one cares what the AFA does. But if some NBC affiliates are banning the show (because of the AFA protests) before it even starts and the media picks up on that, I would guess that NBC got scared and moved it to a night where it could die off - Friday.
This show did not suck. The acting was excellent, there was some really great writing, and it's a damn shame it wasn't given more of a chance. What exactly constitutes a good show that BoD didn't have? And if it has anything to do with "too many plotlines," that's not the show's problem.
@mjanky: Episodes 5 and 6 did not suck, they were a lot better. And btw, Europe has way more freedoms than the US.
shareNO why would we want to shut down all of tv? Think of Spongebob and football and the History Channel! Stuff like MTV, Fuse, Fox, and all those other bad stuff sure....like MadTV....what a stupid show! Making fun of Jesus!? I don't think so!!
share"Making fun of Jesus!? I don't think so!!"
Why not? I am pretty sure Jesus actually has a sense of humour (which is much more than you can say).
I can almost picture Him and the Apostles laughing their eyes out over something dumb Judas said.
Do you really think he earned the trust of thieves and hookers by having a rancid hollier-than-thou attitude? I doubt it. In fact, he constantly spoke against people like yourself (may I refer you to Mat 23:27).
I can assure you, he is a sweet Guy who cares little for the petty things that "offend" fundies like you.
Oh, and one last thing: Your attempt at coming across as smart by mentioning the History Channel (in the same breath as Spongebob and "American" football)...
...lame.
I can assure you, he is a sweet Guy who cares little for the petty things that "offend" fundies like you.
1 Peter 2:17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.
2 Timothy 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
Titus 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Isaiah 8:13 Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
1 Chronicles 16:25 For great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised: he also is to be feared above all gods.
Now, lets review:
Fear Him.
Shun Profanity
Live Soberly
Live Righteously
Live Godly
Sancify the LORD(fear Him)
Oh, did I mention, Fear Him.
I don't think making fun of the King of kings is a way of fearing Him. I think it is a way to make light of Jesus Christ.
What do you think?
You see... I don't base my opinion of God on a book written by men to further their own agendas a few thousand years ago.
But, just for the sake of argument, let's take the Bible at face value and, there, you will find that Jesus pretty much eschewed all you wrote when he spoke of the Two Commandments (in a nutshell: Love God with all your heart an soul and Love your neighbour as you love yourself).
In fact, he said:
"On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets" Mt 22:40
I have no need to fear God and I am pretty sure he doesn't want me to. May I recommend you read "The Name of the Rose" by Umberto Eco?
Peace.
You see... I don't base my opinion of God on a book written by men to further their own agendas a few thousand years ago.
2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"
Uhmm... Yeah. Using a quote from the book as proof that the book is authentic. The Bible says it is inspired by God so, then, it MUST be inspired by God. Right?
Now, that would not stand in a courtroom. Would it?
You'll have to do better than that.
Are you familiar with Ockam's razor? It is a scientific testing strategy that instructs us not to propose complex hypotheses without a compelling reason. Or, in other words: "try the simplest hypotheses first".
So, in the case of 2 Timothy 3:16 we have two hypotheses:
a) A man wrote it and claimed it was done by inspiration of God so that others would not question his writings (as so very often happens even to this day and age).
b) God, in fact, inspired the Bible 4000 years ago.
To prove hypotheses b, however, we would have to prove not only that God actually exists but also that, for some strange reason, He chose to inspire the Bible but not the Q'ran, or the Epic of Gilgamesh, or the Vedic writings, or the Egyptian Book of Death, or any of the other books that claim to be inspired by Him.
That, or accept that God inspired them all, which would be funny. since they all contradict each other (something that is at odds with the concept of an Omniscient, Omniprescent God).
Now, don't get me wrong. I believe there is a God but I'll stick with hypotheses a. Men wrote the Bible and claimed it was the Word of God so as to protect themselves from criticism.
And the burden of proof (should you want to contradict me) lies within you.
I noticed, however, that you neglected addressing my point about Jesus' Two Commandments. You have something to say about that or are you conceding me the point?
peace.
But, just for the sake of argument, let's take the Bible at face value and, there, you will find that Jesus pretty much eschewed all you wrote when he spoke of the Two Commandments (in a nutshell: Love God with all your heart an soul and Love your neighbour as you love yourself).
Uhmm... Yeah. Using a quote from the book as proof that the book is authentic. The Bible says it is inspired by God so, then, it MUST be inspired by God. Right?
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Did your mother or father correct you when you did things wrong? Of course. They loved you and did not want to see you hurt.
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Hmmm... there's a little flaw in your reasoning here: My parents actually had the right (I'd say, even the obligation) to correct me when I did something wrong.
You and all the other Bible-quoters, on the other hand, do not.
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You think that a Christian does not love when he or she shares their faith and possibly chastens an unbeliever, when, in fact, it is the opposite
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I am not implying anything but I'd strongly suggest you change your rethoric.
It sounds uncomfortably similar to what abusive parents say to justify beating up their spouses or children (and, in fact, to what many physcotic killers say when they explain why they tortured, raped and killed their victims): They had to be "chastised" they say.
So, let me put this VERY clear:
a) Sharing your faith and pretending to shove it down someone else's throat are TWO completely different things. Pestering someone who does not share your beliefs is NOT an act of love, no matter what you or your pastor say.
b) You have ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY, UNDENIABLY, IRREVOCABLY no right to "chastise" unbelievers or else. End of the story.
However, I seem to recall I mentioned the "Two Commandments" to prove my point that the concept of "fearing" God had been rendered obsolete, not to comment on Christian "love".
Why are you putting words in my mouth and deliberately twisting the direction of this argument? That's not nice at all.
As I have stated elsewhere, read (Mat 23:27) so that you may understand why Jesus, in fact, probably likes YOU and your ilk less than all the unbelievers put together.
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It is all about faith.
Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
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Vicious circle here, my boy.
You are, again, citing the Bible as proof that what the Bible says is true and asking me to accept it by faith. I'd mention the concept of self-sustaining delusion but even I admit it could be misconstrued as a cheap shot.
Let's, then, just say that if you are trying to make a convincing case for your beliefs, you are going to have to do better than that.
"Faith" is voluntarily relinquishing your rationality, your logic and your ability to question things... The very things that distinguishes mankind from the other mammals.
Of course, even I do that every now and then, you know? Have faith, that is.
But not in this case.
And all the rantings of preachy, aggresive, rude, and self-righteous fanatics (who almost always are proved to be hipocrites, like drug-taking Pat Buchanan, child-molesting Catholic priests, pedophile Rev. James Manning and the list goes on and on...) will not change my mind.
You think that a Christian does not love when he or she shares their faith and possibly chastens an unbeliever, when, in fact, it is the opposite. Did your mother or father correct you when you did things wrong? Of course. They loved you and did not want to see you hurt. Same here. These two commandments are the beginning and ending link in the chain of commandments(they comprehend the substance of all that is required in the Old Testament scriptures.)
"When did this happen? I never played any of the GTA games, not my kind of games, I tend towards Final Fantasy X, Kingdom Hearts, and Legacy of Kain games. I can't wait for Jaws Unleashed."
Over the summer of '05. Jaws looks good but its too bad the author didn't live see it.
Number 1, I order you to go take a number 2.
Over the summer of '05. Jaws looks good but its too bad the author didn't live see it.
yeah, if people don't like the show, change the channel. And honestly, I really don't think there are bad, immoral tv shows on cable. People like them, and it's not promoting murder, or homosexuality-they are just both something that exist...not pushing anyone to do either lol, regardless of personal opinions on the matters. Despite all of the organizations complaining (and some stations not even airing the show), it was actually canceled because of ratings-NBC put it on late on a Friday night. It seems like they didn't want the show to do well at all, but oh well, look at their whole line-up right now...sucks! I wish the show wasn't canceled-it was sort of like NBC's version of Desperate Housewives, and I didnt' think it was boring at all. It didn't bash Jesus or Christianity, AT ALL! Unfortunately, not enough people wanted to watch it and the ultra-conservatives said it was bad-grrrr!
Oh yeah, and the only reason for Desperate Housewives and Nip/Tuck getting taken off will be because of ratings drops...which both have had.