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Ok, first off let me say something....when have I ever said I was a Christian? You seem to act like you know everything here, so when did I say I myself was Christian? Or did you miss that little detail....I am not and have never said to be. I have studied the Bible in great detail but I have never claimed to be Christian. And as far as your question about being a sheep.....I am not saying anything about it because it's the dumbest thing I ever heard. I have no answer because it makes no sense. Jesus never killed anyone. It says in the Bible that He doesn't kill anyone, he comes that you may have life and have it more abundantly so your accusation that Jesus is killing sheep is irrelevant to the matter.

So what is your religion? Cause you sure act like a Christian Zealot to me. As for the sheep thing. Is Jesus Christ also known as "the Good Sheperd" or not?

I will say this again....YOU HAVE NO FAITH! That statement right there proves this. YOu have to SEE something to believe it. That's not faith, that's common sense telling you something you just physically saw. Faith is believing in something that you cannot see, touch, hear or feel. And you have NONE. You obviously have no clue what you are talking about...you don't make any sense.

Because I don't believe in the Bible means I have no Faith? I hardly think so. I have Faith in my grandfather who died 10 years ago but is still around me, I have Faith in my friend who died years ago but is still around me, and I have Faith in the Dragons that watch over me. I do NOT have Faith in the Christian Bible, I was raised Jewish, I chose to be Pagan. I have no use for the Bible because it is a book of Myths written by men. I do not NEED something written down to have Faith. You are confusing Faith with Religion. They are two different things.

How on God's green earth can you be arguing with me about something you have never read? That right there shows me your stupidity! I am not one for calling people names but that is just plain stupid. You are trying to tell me what the Bible says and you have never even read it!!!!!! Are you 5 years old or something? YOu just revealed your incompetence to everyone who reads this. That is just the dumbest thing I have ever heard....someone trying to put down and throw out the Bible and they have never even read it. YOu my friend are a complete moron. I'm sorry...that's just the plain truth.

I don't HAVE to read the Bible to know the story of Moses or the story of Noah. It was told to me in Hebrew School when I was a child, and you can find many of the Bible stories redone on different mediums. "The Prince of Egypt" is one of my favorite Dreamworks films. During Passover, my sister who had a Bat Mitzpha and stayed in Hebrew School couldn't tell the story of Exodus at all, she didn't know. I told the story pretty damn well that impressed my parents. You don't NEED to have read the Bible to know some of it's stories. To think that only people who have read the Bible will know the most popular stories shows how narrow minded you are.

As for insulting me and name calling, does it make you feel better? More manly? Because really, is it supposed to hurt me that you think I'm a moron for knowing Bible Stories without ever reading the Bible? Cause if it does... I'm glad you are so secure with yourself that you need to make youself feel better by attacking people like you do.

And YOU never answered me....when did I ever say I hated anyone? You told me I shouldn't hate anyone but I never said it. No matter, I'm not wasting any more of my time with you. This will be my last post on this thread because it is obvious that you have no idea what you are talking about. When you actually READ the bible, then you can come back and talk to me about what it means. Until then....shut your mouth and stopping making yourself look like any more of an idiot than what you have already revealed.

I answered you plenty of times, I stated some stories that are well known in the Bible, gave logical explinations for them, gave proof on how they could have truth in them buried under bull and you never really listened. You ignored it and then just kept insulting me. I hope you feel better by acting like the narrow minded person you obviously are and showing a lot of people on this board that you have less sense than you claim that I have.

If anyone is looking like an idiot, it's you. You claim I have no Faith, I do, just not in the things you have Faith in. I explained why I don't have Faith in those things and you attack me for being Faithless which is wrong. My Faith is placed in other things, not a Christian or Jewish God but things I find are easier to believe in. Where I have seen and touched my friend and grandfather before they died. I've yet to see a Dragon with my eyes or touch one with my hands, yet I know they are real. Tell me how that is not Faith. Oh wait, I forgot, you took your basketball and went home.

I have given scripture to show you what the Bible actually says and you still don't believe it.

Why should I? It's a book written by men over thousands of years ago, translated numerous times, and isn't even a book on the oldest Religion. There is nothing in that book that really gives me reason to believe it. When I want an explination on something, I'll ask a friend of mine that has studied it but knows that following it so literally is stupid. Which shows me, that they have a brain.

I have given explainations and you still don't get it.

You really haven't explained anything. When I gave a Logical Explination on how Noah's Ark could not possibly have all the animals in the world you dismissed it and told me that all the animals evolved in around 3000 years. Aside from specific Dog Breeds, Cat Breeds, and Parrot Color Mutations, there is no way that the marsupials from Austrailia would have migrated from the Mediterranean to Austrailia and evolved into the numerous kinds in 3000 years. And there is no physical way that Noah would have gotten them in the time that "god" allowed him.

You are closed minded. If you can't see something in front of you, you don't think it's real.

I believe in Dragons, Unicorns, Aliens, Ghosts (though I've seen Ghosts), a world where people like you don't judge people like me and tell me I will burn in hell for my beliefs, and I believe in a world where someone's religion, skin tone, sexual preference, and way of life won't matter. All things I can't see most of the time, but I know are there and/or someday will happen. I also believe that I will work with the Jim Henson company one day.

How do you believe in wind? You can't see it.

I feel the wind.

How do you believe in Tom Cruise....you've never actually SEEN him in person.

Actually I have. There ARE perks to have lived in California. Saw him when I drove down Rodeo once. Also met James Woods (nice guy), Ben Vereen, Kevin Smith, Joss Whedon, James Marsters, Adrian Paul, Jim Byrnes, Drew Carey, and had Make-up done by Stan Winston Studios. I used a dummy from "The Mummy" staring Brendon Fraser for one of my student films, got it out of the Universal Prop department where I touched one of the Dinosaurs from "Jurassic Park", I shot on the backlot of Universal Studios and have some Footage of Bruce Two (the shark in "Jaws") floating around somewhere, I've seen the Delorian and filmed on the same set as "Laurence of Arabia". Forgive me if I've been around.

How do you know he's real?

Like I said... I've seen him, I also own some of his movies. ::Shrugs.:: Not a big fan of his, I'm more into Brad Pitt, Harrison Ford, Ewan McGregor, Tim Curry, Jim Cummings, Mark Hammill, Jim Henson, Frank Oz, Steve Whitmire, Rob Paulson, and Johnny Depp... why is that? OH! Because they all have TALENT! They can ACT! Tom... can't.

I'm sorry I wasted my time with in immature kid who doesn't know ignorance from stupidity. You need to get a clue about life.

I'm going to guess you were talking in the mirror when you said that. Because the only person being really immature here is you. You're the one that can't accept that the Bible is a book of Myths, you're the one that can't accept that people have OTHER beliefs than you, and you're the one that got offended by a fictional show. Not me.

If you're going to argue about something....you need to first KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!

You mean like how you KNEW I didn't see Tom Cruise, though I have?

And if you don't know...then at least act like it and don't tell the other person that you have never read a book you're arguing about. YOu have no credit whatsoever.

Actually, I have a lot of credit. Just not with you. Most people I talk to, accept my opinion about the Bible and don't try and attack me for it. Thank you but I've dealt with jerks like you, I've had people like you kill my pets because I didn't believe as you did. If anything you proved to me that you're nothing really to be caring about. If anything you were a nice distraction for two minutes, but since you are taking your ball and leaving I'll find something else to entertain me. BTW, next time I see one of my actor friends... I'll tell em you said hi. Unless of course... you don't believe in them because they don't know the bible as well as you do or don't CARE about the book of Myths as well as you.

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For some reason my post was deleted here. Basically I said that SkeksisGirl is not a very bright person. She's arguing something she knows nothing about. I mentioned that I don't care much for the Bible but I don't go around calling it a book of myths just because I don't know it.

The whole Tom Cruise thing was just making a point. The point that you DO believe in things you can't see, so why not believe the stories from the Bible? I can't disprove anything from the bible so I don't walk around calling it a book of myths. So, you have heard 3 or 4 stories from the Bible, how does that make you the expert on KNOWING it's fake and BS.

This football guy did do a good job of explaining your questions and all you said was "It's all BS!" you had no argument at all.

You said: next time I see one of my actor friends... I'll tell em you said hi. Unless of course... you don't believe in them because they don't know the bible as well as you do or don't CARE about the book of Myths as well as you.

Ummmm, aren't YOU The one who isn't believing here? The football guy isn't the unbeliever, so your statement is dumb and irrelevant.

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For some reason my post was deleted here. Basically I said that SkeksisGirl is not a very bright person. She's arguing something she knows nothing about. I mentioned that I don't care much for the Bible but I don't go around calling it a book of myths just because I don't know it.

Did you say something in the previous post that would have called for it to be deleted? The only reason I know that it would be, because frankly, I didn't even get to see it nor did I report it because I didn't see it. ::Shrugs.:: Have anyone that's got a grudge against you?

As for me being a non-bright person, um... sure. Ever wonder where I got my whole "Bible is a book of Myths" thing? I talked to one of my Rabbi's about it, I sat down and had a discussion with one about the bible. I was curious and asked why so many people are so hard core about it and what makes it so different than other creation Myths. My Rabbi at the time told me that it was a book of Myths, just like the Greek Myths, the difference being there is more Truth under the stories than the Greek ones if you think about it logically.

So thinking Logically, yes, it's a book of Myths with Truths in it buried under BS. Why do I not put my Faith in it? Because it's a book, written by men, and my Faith has changed from Judiasm over the years. Does it make me stupid? I don't think so. Does it make me wrong? No it doesn't. Does it make me different? Yes?

The whole Tom Cruise thing was just making a point. The point that you DO believe in things you can't see, so why not believe the stories from the Bible?

Why not believe the creation story by the Lakota Indians, Greeks, Romans, Japanese, Africans, and Brazillians? What makes the Bible's creation stories so much more real than them?

I can't disprove anything from the bible so I don't walk around calling it a book of myths.

I Logically disproved the full story of Noah, I gave a Logical explination as to WHERE the story had been embellished and I gave a Logical reason for the story to exist. I said that Noah's Ark couldn't have Possible had every single animal on earth in it, BUT I also said that Noah was most likely a farmer on the edge of the Mediterranean when the sea flooded that took his family and farm and survived the flood. Which proves the point of "There is truth under the bible buried under the BS".

When Football_shoe hit back with the "evolution" explination, I asked about the animals of Australia, Japan, America, and islands that couldn't have possibly have evolved in less than 3000 years to what they are now.

Do I believe that the story of Noah happened? Yes, I do. Do I believe that he gathered two of every single animal in the entire world in the time that God had given him and held them all in one ark? No I don't. It's physically impossible.

So, you have heard 3 or 4 stories from the Bible, how does that make you the expert on KNOWING it's fake and BS.

Again, I said there is Truth under the BS. You guys seem to forget that I said that. All I am saying is that you need to dig through all the dirt to get to the nugget of gold, just like any book written by man that is said to be a true account. No non-fiction book is without it's slant by the writer's eyes there is always dirt and BS in a non-fiction book because above all, book writers are telling a story in some way.

Look at Fahrenheit 9/11, Michael Moore is very much against President Bush, his movie was either hailed as "the truth" or denounced as "pure drivel that defames our President" depending who you asked. Michael Moore told a story that passed information about President Bush that was very one sided and slanted towards his world view. Now when I say information, I mean information, I am not saying everything Michael Moore said about President Bush is true, nor am I saying it's all false, it was information, something all books, movies, tv shows, and videos games pass to those watching/reading/playing.

It's all about telling your view of what's going on and there are always three points to a story being told by one person, that person's side, the other person's side, and the truth which is somewhere in the middle. The Bible is the same way.

That is one of the reasons why I don't put my Faith in the Bible. There is too much dirt covering the truths in it because it was written by man, and sorry, the whole "god spoke to him" argument doesn't work with me. Just because a man says it's true doesn't mean it is. My father used to call home when I was a child saying he was Mickey Mouse, he's not Micky Mouse, he's never voiced Mickey Mouse, and he never will. Just because he says he's Mickey Mouse doesn't make it true.

This football guy did do a good job of explaining your questions and all you said was "It's all BS!" you had no argument at all.

Again, his "evolution" explination about Noah's Ark doesn't cut the mustard. I explained why above.

You said: next time I see one of my actor friends... I'll tell em you said hi. Unless of course... you don't believe in them because they don't know the bible as well as you do or don't CARE about the book of Myths as well as you.

Ummmm, aren't YOU The one who isn't believing here? The football guy isn't the unbeliever, so your statement is dumb and irrelevant.

You ever hear of Sarcasm? He got on my case about me not believing that To Cruise exists because I never saw him with my naked eye, which I replied that he was wrong because I have seen him and other actors with my naked eye. I doubt he will take my word for it though. But the point of my little snark was that a lot of actors in Hollywood aren't believers in the Bible and Football was showing his intolerance towards anything that was non-bible related.

For example, he was offended by a fictional show, he claims I have no Faith at all which was untrue, I have Faith, just not in what he has Faith in, I give logical explinations to things and he insults me and calls me a moron. Why does my not believing in the Bible make me a Moron? How is that loving thy neighbor which seems to be one of the things people who are Christian preach yet never do?

What is wrong with my opinion on the Bible and Book of Daniel? My first post was all about how other Religions and Ancient People's (People's who religions are older than Judiasm and Christianity) is able to have a TV show where it mangles the Myths (Hercules and Xena) but Book of Daniel which pretty much showed Christians in a good light is attacked? That almost any fictional movie about the religion is attacked? It's predjudice and wrong IMO. If the Greek Myths can be used for fictional TV fodder, so can the Bible. One of my favorite animates movies is based off of a story from the Torah. The part that people need to remember is that the TV show is FICTIONAL. That's what the big problem is. Not who believes what. Please... show some maturity. Both of you.

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