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Am I the only one who liked it?


I am surprised this film is rated so low and at all the comments here that say the film's characters were stereotypical racists and that it failed at being efficient in opening any dialogue about Racism.

First, I am taking the film for what it is, a social commentary and look at racism issues today in America and I personally thought it was honest and brave in the way they portrayed the characters. The hypocrisy that was addressed about people acting like they care about racism is something that I never see in usual Hollywood movies, where people are usually overt racists or not at all. In reality , a lot of white people have no experience mixing with diversity and a lot of people including people of color have internalized racism because thats the nature of racism. People don't want to be racist in public but when they go back to their community they make no effort step out of what they know...

One person in a previous thread said 'what does white guilt has to do with solving racism issues?'. But I think it has a lot to do...In certain areas in America, everyone talks about diversity etc... but most communities are segregated. I live in Oregon and Asians, Whites, Blacks and other communities stay in their own area. There are great ethnic celebrations of all kinds and on my campus (where it's liberal and not like Belmont at all), everyone talks about diversity, it's in the curriculum and all. Being from Paris, I am often startled because I never felt so aware that I was Asian before I came to Oregon. But as one white person pointed out to me, white people are sometimes scared to mix with other people because they are scared to say or do the wrong thing, they don't want to be perceived as racist and then feel bad about themselves, yet being all human and having some (different levels for everyone) internalized racism, they are aware that they could say something offensive so they stay safe... This is the type of white guilt that keep communities enclosed and divided. Most white people here, I wouldn't say are racists but definitely hang out with whites only.

The film was brave enough to admit that white people have internalized racism. I didn't think it was white and black. I think watching American films when I was growing up in France, I imagined a happy melting pot where all people were mixed and living happily together and after coming in the U.S., I realized it wasn't the case at all. I liked the film and I thought it did a good job and probably a lot of people feel uncomfortable.

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I agree with you - the premise of the story and the acting were very good - and well executed. My problem was the screenplay. It's obviously based on a play and some of the long talky scenes - though well played by the actors - would have read better on the stage, I believe.

The character portrayed by Sarah Jessica Parker was quite brave in her admissions about her own latent racism.

I think this film is getting much lower ratings than it deserves. I guess films have to have some explosions to turn people on these days.

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I'm not really surprised. Gilman has a knack for rubbing people the wrong way. Let's face it, the play and the movie has potential to leave a lot of people feeling insulted... most people are just too 1st degree to realize what the story is about. It's not unlikely members of minorities will feel the movie is condescending and excusing racism while white people will feel accused and uncomfortable. I think the scene where she accuses the board of 'sticking to their story' and not acknowledging that they ARE racists just like she feels she is racist, sums up the reason for so much criticism IMO.

The whole point of the movie is to show that banning racist words doesn't mean solving racism in reality. Racism is not lynching black people, thankfully that's almost over with but does that mean racism doesn't exist anymore? Racism includes limiting your friends to your own ethnicity, not being able to speak freely to someone from a minority for fear of offending them, treating people differently because of their race IS racism. And somehow I guess that's not a lesson people are willing to be taught.

For every lie I unlearn I learn something new - Ani Difranco

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I like this movie, too. I teach sociology at a small liberal arts college. While the characters in the movie are overdrawn, those types are readily found on any "liberal" college campus today. I used this film in a class I teach about how Americans experience race and ethnicity today. The film is very instructive about some of the hidden tensions Americans feel around these issues. The knee-jerk reaction for many White Americans is to dismiss Blacks and other people of color to whom racism is palpable even if they are no longer being lynched or hosed, even when they are no longer barred from many colleges or business establishments, even when Whites smile at them. What the Simon Brick character suggests is that White Americans in general still do not see people of color as representative of the full range of humanity. In fact, they scarcely see them at all. On the American college campus today, the students of color still feel like guests who are tolerated. In exchange, the students of color afford the college bragging rights about its diversity. Spinning into Butter is an instructive, if not a wonderful, movie. I recommend it.

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Racism includes limiting your friends to your own ethnicity . . .

If the people you live near and work with are white, going out in search of people who aren't white to befriend could be seen as racist.



. . . not being able to speak freely to someone from a minority for fear of offending them . . .

You can't speak freely to white people. You never know what will offend them since each person has different hangups, snootiness levels, religious beliefs and so on.



. . . treating people differently because of their race IS racism.

Similar to what I posted above, you have to treat white people differently because of their hangups, snootiness levels, religious beliefs and more. You can never truly be yourself with other white people or even your own family (depending on their hangups, snootiness levels, religious beliefs and so on).



'Minorities' or 'people of color' or whatever the term is this microsecond need to understand that to get along in the world, you need to be polite and fake. You can't be yourself out in public and you can't be offended when people act all polite and fake toward you. Polite and fake is always better than a beating or a lynching.




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No, you're not.
I'll keep it short: yours is some of the most intelligent --and pertinent-- writing I've read on IMDB. Thank you.

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The theory that white ppl are afraid to hang with other races due to we might say something wrong is total *beep* But it does seem that whenever a white person mentions anything about a black person blacks start ww3. Like most colleges my school have classes in which we should feel free to talk to one another, learn from one another, but I swear almost everytime someone white ask a question, makes a comment about blacks then the black students immediatly start crying racism. Although I find it easier to talk to Asians and Latinos, and ask questions I don't try to avoid blacks. It seems to me that black ppl seem to have alot of anger in them and feel threatened more than any other group of ppl.

It's not only white ppl that segregate themselves, every minority on campus has their own club. I don't know of one club that white ppl have on campus. YOu don't see us trying to recruit other white students to join the white-american club. Yet asians, blacks, latins etc.. all have clubs, classes and parties that are soley targeted to their own ppl. Ppl like to say whites are dividing ppl and not welcoming of other cultures but try being white and walking into a class on black history or a latin club, you do not get the feeling that you are welcome.

I'm personally sick of white ppl being blames for everyone elses problems.

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I didn't think this movie was that bad either

I can see though why it would have a bad reputation and had a hard time getting distribution, it's blunt depiction of racism probably makes a lot of people uncomfortable

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I liked it for the honesty and bravery it showed. The acting(especially Parker) was mostly *beep*
The stereotypes were so dead-on though, that during the "list" scene, I found myself nodding and laughing!

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Nope u ain't, I loved it too
I loved how every party was to be blamed for it, every party made their mistakes
and still there was quite a few examples of those who wanted to overcome racism.

It is never about what happened, it is only how you look at it!

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