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Slander against West Virginia


While biopics aren't documentaries, the filmmakers play so fast and loose with history that one episode in "The Express" seems outright slander:

The movie shows, with an onscreen date of October 24, 1959, a game between Syracuse University and West Virginia University, in which Morgantown, W.Va. is depicted as virulently, violently racist, and the Mountaineer players and fans and even the referees instigate a near race-riot.

Yet that game never even took place in West Virginia -- the Oct. 24, 1959 game took place in Syracuse, at that college's own Archbold Stadium! And newspaper accounts the next day make no mention of any strife on Ernie Davis' home field.

Aside from the fact the game didn't even take place in W. Va., Syracuase coach Ben Schwartzwalder had earlier led the nearby Parkersburg, West Virginia high school team to two state championships, and was a beloved and respected figure in the state, with devoted fans who showed up each year to CHEER for Schwartzwalder, not denigrate his teams. Indeed, on his death in 1993, WVU even instituted the Ben Schwartzwalder Trophy.

Why on Earth slander a state -- which broke away from Confederate Virginia during the Civil War in order to join the Union! -- as violently racist with a completely made-up incident?

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Hey flovece,

In case anyone thinks you're making all of this up, here's a link showing Syracuse's 1959 schedule:

http://cfreference.net/cfr/show_school_season/96?season=1959

Good job!

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O.K. I haven't seen the movie. But I do remember 2 Cotton Bowl,s before, the same school Syracuse U. playing another SWC Texas team in the Cotton Bowl. It was TCU. TCU won 28-27 by blocking an extra point. That extra point try was by one Jim Brown, who rushed for 132 yds. scored 3 tds. and kicked 3 extra points. He was co-mvp of the game. Ernie Davis was a great football player, but Jim Brown was a GREAT football player. He was the original Syracuse no. 44. AS I said I haven't seen the film...is any of this mentioned?

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To xmonn -- Thank you for the additional confirmation. That was good of you to supply.

I hope someone at WVU gets wind of this thread and responds to this slander.

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WV has a lot of racist white people and they are not afraid to let America know.

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While I've never been to WV myself, I know 3 different white WV natives who left there because they hated the racist bigoted culture they were raised in.

Also, talk about playing fast and loose with history - just because a state was an Union state during the Civil WAR DOES NOT mean there wasn't racism there. It doesn't even mean the population was anti-slavery. It only means they were pro-Union. We tend to have this fluffy idea that the Union states were some much nicer to blacks, but they had their own issues with racism which left a legacy that we can still see today. Hell, there was even racism evident in the abolitionist movement at that time. Just because a white abolitionist thought blacks shouldn't be slaves didn't mean he also saw blacks as his equals. Read Frederick Douglass' autobiography sometime.

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Find 1 state without a racist. I think what people are defending here is not that West Virginia is without narrow minded people but that this game and its incidents did not happen. The game during the season in question was played at Cuse and the coach is from WV and had ties to WVU. All this really comes down to is this movie needed an antagonist and WVU played the part.

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I hate to burst your ignorant bubble quinn but guess what... there are racists in NY as well. I'm going to make an educated guess and say that there are racists in every state. You're missing the point though. I can see why it would upset him that they changed the venue to portray West Virginians negatively when the event itself never took place. Maybe in the next WWII movie they make they can put the concentration camps in California and have Los Angeleans slaughtering Jews. I'm sure there are people in Los Angeles that are anti-Semitic so there would be no slander right? But nobody would complain anyways, since black people aren't involved. You're a douche.

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How many black players were on every other predominantly white colleges' teams in 1959? Why single out WVU?

The point is being missed here: The U. of Texas/Cotton Bowl racist events are well-documented historical occurrences. There were likely more such real-life events the filmmakers could have used -- so why make one up? WVU didn't do anything to Ernie Davis ... OR to Jim Brown, who'd played there previously.

If the filmmakers couldn't have found another real-life game ruined by racism, aside from the Cotton Bowl, what does THAT say?

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anyone who says a state is a racist state or people that live in a particular town, city, state, whathave you, are racist is an idiot and extremely ignorant.

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Not sure where you get your "facts" about UT's racist activities at the Cotton Bowl, all those involved on both sides of the game have decried the depiction of racist comments made by Texas players as being a work of fiction. Now I'm not here to re-write history, being a native Texan I can assure racism did and does exist in my home state but this movie played so fast and loose with the facts that even some of my African American friends have decried this film.

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West Virginia University also added TWO African-American players in 1962, a full 5 years before any team in the SEC did (and before any other southern team as well).

Ernie Davis spent 3 years at Syracuse, and in fact Syracuse DID visit Morgantown in 1960 (October 22nd, 1960). I would hope that the people who are making the claim that West Virginia is a cesspool of racism can produce some evidence that on his 1960 visit he received a welcome similar to the one in the film.

It should also be noted that Coach Ben Schwartzwalder was not only a native West Virginian (as noted above) but is also an alumnus of West Virginia University. In fact, the yearly challenge trophy between the two schools is named after him. I wonder how he would feel to see his home state and alma mater run down in this fashion.

Edit: Actually I found a cite by Davis' teammates that say the events like this did NOT occur..

"Teammates say 'The Express' changes history"

http://www.tampabay.com/features/movies/article837721.ece

"Both men believe Davis' story deserves telling, as they think teammates and journalists have done well in books. Neither believes The Express captures his personality, or accurately portrays his relationships with head coach Ben Schwartzwalder and teammates. They claim key events on screen never occurred, like the team being showered with garbage and racial epithets during a game at West Virginia."

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So, how does stereotyping a state of 1.8 million people honestly make you any better than these racists?

If you want to bring up the Democratic primary, is it not just as likely to say that the media, with their preconceived notions of West Virginia as uneducated hillbillies, looked long and hard for a good soundbite to confirm their biases?

I'm not a native West Virginian, but I do go to West Virginia University (working on a PhD), and so the state will always be a part of me, and I will defend it against the bad rap that it's gotten.

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I'm from West Virginia, born and raised, it's a great place to live and raise a family, amongst a diverse population, that's right DIVERSE, go to Parkersburg, Charleston, Huntington, Morgantown. It's true, we're not all white redneck racists, like most people 100 miles outside of the border believe. I love West Virginia, and everyone in it, and if you think it's a horrible place to live, then stay where you are, it's a great way to keep narrow minded people out of the state.

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this aint nothing but another hollywood feel good story for the blacks and a white guilt story for the whites. Only wonder why it didn't come out in February like its football counterpart, Glory Road.

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you mean white guilt month?

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yes... i'm a WVU grad... and this does have me quite pissed...

i've written the editor of the school paper calling for an apology from Universal.

Our school has enough image problems we don't need lies piled on top of it!

I've also called for a boycott, and an apology on the eventual dvd from the producers with an explaination on WHY they chose to so blatantly ignore facts!

... morgantown is a wonderful community and i suggest everyone visit and see for themselves

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Right we did play Cuse at Cuse that year notice how it doesnt say @WVU next to the name like the other away games.

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and also say the event never happened.

http://www.tampabay.com/features/movies/article837721.ece

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WVU article


http://www.msnsportsnet.com/page.cfm?story=13491&cat=exclusives

WVU is the greatest school in the world. I graduated in Dec. 07 so I may be a little impartial but us fans are amazing. Way to try and show us as coon haters hollywood.

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"WVU is the greatest school in the world. I graduated in Dec. 07 so I may be a little impartial but us fans are amazing. Way to try and show us as coon haters hollywood. "



well, your asking for it, if you drop "coon haters".

Jesus.

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I wasnt saying it the way youre taking it dumb ass, thats the way theyre trying to portray us in WV during the movie.

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Dont say it in the first place, so it wont be interpreted that way *beep* face.

This why it is extremely difficult to make these types of movies, nor have rational, honest discussion about race in this country.

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Fire for effect.

The consistent misrepresentation of West Virginia is astounding.

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article from msnsportsnet.com a wvu sports website.

‘The Express,’ depicting the life of Syracuse Heisman Trophy winner Ernie Davis, is both entertaining and moving. It is also completely fictitious, at least the movie’s characterization of West Virginia.

‘The Express’ chronicles African-American football player Ernie Davis’ triumph over the racial injustices of the 1950s. Woven into the story were the real-life protests that ultimately led to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

The movie takes Davis from his early years in Uniontown, Pa., to Elmira, N.Y., and then to Syracuse University where he is one of three African-Americans on the 1959 Orange team that captures the national championship. Davis follows the footsteps of the great Jim Brown, an African-American who endured similar hardships and who becomes a sort of father figure to Davis.

Later when he is dying of cancer, Davis is shown in one final scene passing the baton to Floyd Little.

In addition to Brown, another key figure in the movie is Coach Ben Schwartzwalder, played by Dennis Quaid. Schwartzwalder was a Captain in the 82nd Airborne during World War II who earned distinction during the invasion of Normandy and the battles that followed. The movie uncovers the hard-scrabble Schwartzwalder’s complex relationship with the intelligent and sensitive Davis.

In one scene Schwartzwalder notices Davis glancing at a white cheerleader during practice. Later in his office, Schwartzwalder advises Davis that he should give his old girlfriend from home a call. The coach's message is clear: it is not proper for a black man to socialize with a white woman.

Another practice scene shows Davis being roughed up by a white player to which Schwartzwalder shows indifference, remarking to Davis that he will encounter much worse during games.

Then Syracuse arrives at West Virginia. Schwartzwalder is shown in the visiting locker room preparing his team for what they are about to encounter when they play the Mountaineers.

“They play by a different set of rules,” the coach says in the movie. “It will be hostile. Their fans are unruly, especially when they’re playing against a team that looks a little different than they do.”

Next comes a riveting scene when the Syracuse team is about to walk out onto Mountaineer Field underneath the haze of flying beer bottles, garbage and other debris in almost complete darkness.

“Everyone is to keep their helmets on at all times whether you are in the game or not,” Schwarztwalder says. “I don’t want anyone hurt by flying bottles. Davis, you stay in the middle of the pack and keep your head down.”

“It must be Halloween because here come the spooks!” yells one crazed West Virginia fan.

West Virginia players are shown giving cheap shots to Davis while he is on the ground. After a long Davis run that comes up just short of the goal line, Schwartzwalder removes Davis from the game because he is fearful that if he scores a touchdown he could be harmed.

It is all very compelling and dramatic. It also never happened.

Ernie Davis played just once at West Virginia in 1960, not 1959. The game that year was played during the day, not at night. And at no time do any of the participants on either side recall the unfortunate racial incidents portrayed in the movie.

West Virginia Gov. Joe Manchin, recruited to play football at West Virginia University in the mid-1960s, voiced his outrage Thursday morning.

“It’s labeled a true story but to have so much falsehood is just ridiculous,” Manchin told the Charleston Daily Mail. “I mean there is no truth to it.”

Syracuse quarterback Dick Easterly concurs, saying what was depicted at West Virginia University simply did not happen.

“What the director tried to accomplish is showing the conditions of those times," Easterly was quoted in Thursday’s St. Petersburg Times. “A lot of things in the movie didn't happen at that time at Syracuse but did happen in the country.

“I see a lot of things that never were done to Ernie but maybe happened to (Syracuse great) Jim Brown (in the 1950s). Hell, the movie's more about him than Ernie. And they made Ben look like a racist, to me.”

There are also connections to West Virginia the movie ignores. Schwartzwalder was born in Point Pleasant, West Virginia, attended West Virginia University and briefly coached high school football in the Mountain State before going to Muhlenberg College and then on to Syracuse.

The early part of Davis’ life took place in Uniontown, just a ½ hour drive from Morgantown. The West Virginia game was essentially a homecoming for Davis.

Also, West Virginia’s coach the year Davis played in Morgantown was Gene Corum - the man responsible for integrating football at West Virginia University in 1962. To depict Corum and his West Virginia University team as bigoted is utterly appalling.

Of course West Virginia is an easy target. It always has been. Young people watching this movie are going to form an opinion of West Virginia that is completely false.

This is sad because West Virginia became a state because it seceded from Confederate Virginia during the Civil War.

Unfortunately, that fact is lost to history.

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thank you for saying what i was going to say, only you said it much better!!!

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Probably because they keep electing a Senator who was the head of the KKK (Robert Byrd, Democrat)...

Actually the incident did happen, but it happened to Jim Brown when he played at Syracuse. Its a simple case of Hollywood combining the problems of the many to reflect on the individual.

Besides when did Hollywood care about facts?

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Geez, this thread is disgusting! No wonder our national election is horrible: it reflects the attitude of our nation!

First of all, I am a West Virginian but I graduated from Marshall. Anyone in the state can tell you that Marshall fans have no love for WVU. But recent events with Rich Rodriguez and this film have caused us to join our fellow Mountaineers in defense.

I won't deny the racism that is in the state so why are Blue Staters denying theirs? This in the umpteenth entertainment to come from Hollywood wherein the North is portrayed with an enlightenment it never possessed and the South is portrayed with a negative image that far overreaches what was there. As has been noted, Morgantown is only an hour from Pittsburgh and has no ties to the Jim Crow South.

And even West Virginia's southern counties never exhibited such behavior. On West Virginia's turnpike there is a landmark bridge named for Cornelius Charlton, a military hero killed in the Korean War who was African American. The bridge was christened by his mother IN 1951! Please name for me any other state in the union--North or South--that was honoring its African American military heroes!

The rock and R&B music great Bill Whithers wrote his famous song "Lean on Me" about his experiences in the coal camps of West Virginia.

And I won't excuse Senator Byrd's KKK past, but he had been in office for many years before that was revealed and he offered his mea culpas. I do think he could have done more for the black community, but he has reached a new enlightenment and he has supported Barack Obama for President.

Moreover, Obama has visited the state only once and he is now tied with McCain for the state's votes. He hasn't shown ANY attention to West Virginia, but still the state is shifting his way.

So, those of you who offer these moot and mythical points about West Virginia, please tell me what is this racial scandal that has given West Virginia this reputation? Was it the Watts Riots? The Rodney King Riots? The Burning of Newark? The Boston Riots? The Detroit Riots? The Tawana Brawlet Incident? Oh, wait! Those things happened in the enlightened Blue States of California, New Jersey, Massachussetts, Michigan and New York! Strange, but I've never seen a movie portray these places--with their rampant racism--as being racist. No, no, their sins are foisted upon places like West Virginia because they have to qualify their hatred for poverty and provinicalism, and Blue Staters know that hatred is hatred unless they can qualify it. So they invent these reasons to hate the places like West Virginia so that they can escape their own hypocrisy and bigotry.

On the other side, those people using this subject (and something tells me that they aren't West Virginians) to make racist or incendiary remarks are looking for any opportunity to be a troll or to spew their vitriol. Ernie Davis deserved to have his story told in a great film. What a great film this could have been (and SHOULD have been). Instead, Ernie's great story was turned into another opportunity for the Blue State media to congratulate themselves for an enlightenment they never possessed and bash a group of people whom they truly hate. African Americans have far more in common with Applachians people than do the urban coastal whites, and don't thing that detail is lost on people in West Virginia and surrounding states.

Universal would withdraw this film and edit out the offending and incorrect scenes if this had been a slur against any other group. They should do so now but we know that they won't.

Our nation may just elect its first black President this year, and what a nation of children he will be inheriting.

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--No wonder our national election is horrible: it reflects the attitude of our nation!--

I stopped reading after that. What's so horrible about the national election? It's going down the same way as the last 4 did as far as I can recall. I'm guessing you're 18 or something, it's not so horrible.

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It is good that you stopped reading the rest of my post because it is full of sophisticated ideas that would have overwhelmed you.

McCain and Palin are showing up at their own engagements and calling Obama traitor, crowds are calling him a terrorist and shout out "Kill him!" with no admonition from either candidate. If you think this is like any other election then YOU must be 18.

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McCain told a crowd that Obama was a good person and we shouldn't worry if Obama gets elected as President. That's admonition enough. If it happened at an Obama rally, Obama wouldn't make a huge uproar about it either, because then he would just lose votes over it. Votes is all it comes down to so candidates will let things slide so as not to upset their party just so they can win and do some good in office. If you aren't even aware of that, nevermind, I'm guessing you're 15.

As for the crowds, that has happened one time. You act like it's a common thing. Grow up and start following politics before you speak of them, you are terribly uninformed.

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Your infatuation with McCain makes sense. He foists his own shortcomings on others and likes to pretend that his opponent is naive. Incidents have been happening all over the country and it took McCain weeks to finally make that remark. Moreover, it is a hatred that he and Palin have been stirring up with calling Obama a friend of terrorists and such. So for McCain to make one remark to an angry crowd is like an arsonist throwing a bucket of water on the forest fire that he started. This is all well documented in the media. There are these things called newspapers that explain these things. Try looking at one instead of spinning away from reality.

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"The mortgage crisis? Free mortgages to black people who can't afford a house.
The coming credit card crisis? Blacks stop paying for what they charged but couldn't afford."

the result = Obama winning the Election anyway, and STILL being voted in by a MAJORITY of Whites.

wake up. Its the 21st Century.

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Two questions:

If racism isn't part of the West Virginia culture, why do the polls show that a heretofore reliably Democratic state is a toss-up in the upcoming presidential election?

In what year did UWV have its first black player?

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As for the first question, you ask the wrong one. West Virginia stopped being a reliably Democratic state for Presidential elections when Gore neglected it in 2000. The state went for Bush on 2000 and 2004, which I certainly won't defend, but it is an indicator that the state is tired of being ignored and sloughed off by Democrats. McCain had a 70/22 ratio lead in the summer, and that has been whittled down to 45/42 now, which is what made it a tossup state. Most interestingly, Obama only visited the state once. He hasn't lifted a finger to get this surge in support from West Virginia. He didn't even come here for the primaries. So, where's the discussion about elitism aimed at Appalachian people?

Second question, the first African American players came to WVU in 1963.

For the record, I am and have been an Obama supporter from the start.

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As for the first question, you ask the wrong one. West Virginia stopped being a reliably Democratic state for Presidential elections when Gore neglected it in 2000. The state went for Bush on 2000 and 2004, which I certainly won't defend, but it is an indicator that the state is tired of being ignored and sloughed off by Democrats. McCain had a 70/22 ratio lead in the summer, and that has been whittled down to 45/42 now, which is what made it a tossup state. Most interestingly, Obama only visited the state once. He hasn't lifted a finger to get this surge in support from West Virginia. He didn't even come here for the primaries. So, where's the discussion about elitism aimed at Appalachian people?

Second question, the first African American players came to WVU in 1963.

For the record, I am and have been an Obama supporter from the start.

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DaMarco pretty much nailed WV's political change over the past few years. I'd also say that most of the Dems in the state are "old school" democrats, which are fairly conservitive by todays standards.

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