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Question about these movies


So I see topics on here discussing "First black..." movies and I have a question for anyone to answer. Are these movies important because they show kids today the mistakes America made in the past and we want to learn from them? Or are they important because without these movies, no one these days care enough to actually learn about these great men and women? These movies show us that we don't want to learn about the 1st black anything, we want to learn about the BEST first black anything. How do I know? I don't know for sure.

But to prove my point, I ask for a response to this question. Without looking this up, who can tell me who was the 1st black quarterback to play in the NFL?

PS: I'm not trying to start a race debate, so don't respond with hate messages. I'm merely trying to show that Hollywood is not trying to educate, they are just trying to entertain.

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Jackie Robinson wasn't really the best first black MLB player, but he gets all the attention.

"When you look like me, it's hard to get a table for one at Chuck-E-Cheese."

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Jackie Robinson might not have been the best 1st black baseball player, but he was a great baseball player, a great athlete in general. He was a varsity letter winner for baseball, football, basketball, and track at UCLA. He hit almost 150 HRs, and stole almost 200 bases (including Home 19 times) in only 10 years. He rarely struck out, and had a career average of .311. He was definitely worthy of the hall of fame, and is possibly one of the best 2nd basemen ever.

All that aside, you didn't answer my question. Who was the 1st black man to start at quarterback in the NFL? Why are these movies made? To educate or to entertain?

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"He was definitely worthy of the hall of fame"

For his performance in both the negro leagues and the MLB, definitely.
For strictly his MLB performance... No.

But if there were one black baseball player that I believe should have been the first.. Satchel Paige.

"All that aside, you didn't answer my question."

And I don't particularly have to.

"When you look like me, it's hard to get a table for one at Chuck-E-Cheese."

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Just in case you were wondering....

The first black quarterback to start in the NFL was Fritz Pollard, for the 1923 Akron Pros. There were only a few blacks in the league until 1932, when self-admitted bigot George Preston Marshall joined the league with the Boston Braves/Redskins and effectively eliminated integration in the NFL until the mid-forties. Willie Thrower played quarterback for the Chicago Bears in 1953, in one game, WHICH HE DID NOT START.

The first modern day black quarterback to start a Professional Football game was Marlin Briscoe. He played his rookie season with the American Football League's Denver Broncos and still, 40 years later, holds many of the Broncos' rookie records. There is a film in production about his life. He was released after his rookie season upon request when he was not invited to an off-season QB competition in Denver. He played next with the AFL's Buffalo Bills, with O.J. Simpson and the late Jack Kemp. There he would also play with the 2nd black QB (James Harris) to start in modern Professional Football. The NFL lagged behind the AFL in allowing blacks to start at quarterback, however Harris became the first black starting quarterback in the modern NFL, when that league merged with the AFL in 1970, and thus inherited Harris. Later, with the LA Rams, Harris became the first black quarterback to start a conference championship game.

Briscoe's book, the somewhat mis-titled "The First Black Quarterback: Marlin Briscoe's Journey to Break the Color Barrier and Start in the NFL" can be found at Amazon.com although they only have autographed copies listed. You can visit http://www.conigliofamily.com/MinorityPlayers.htm or www.phinphanatic.com to learn more about his life by doing a search on his name or you can visit www.marlinbriscoemovie.com to learn about the film in development. Hope this helps.

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When did you think it was Hollywood's job or goal to educate? They facilitate a part of the (get this!) entertainmentindustry. They did a good job making this movie "based on a true story". If i wanted to see a documentary on Ernie I wouldn't look for Hollywood material.

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