Another Problem with the "Inside Job" theory.....

yeah that's so true man people are just crazy!

Well, the same goes for us landing on the moon and the idea of 12 astronauts lying to cover it up, yeah right. There are going to be people who believe in these stupid conspiracies. Like you stated, if there were any truth to any of them, subsequently the press would not be able to resist.

wt1963 said: "...we're supposed to believe that the same United States government that had a hard time building a simple web site to sell health insurance policies was able to flawlessly orchestrate and hide a conspiracy which would have taken THOUSANDS of people to organize and execute.
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Ah, the classic old, "oh the government is too incompetent" bit.

As usual, another "debunker" tries vainly to rationalize away all the problems with the governments official conspiracy theory/myth of 9/11.

The whole government was NOT involved in 9/11...but powerful and connected people in the White House and in the military and intelligence agencies had all the will, means and motive (they stood to gain: basically unlimited funding and unlimited secret powers: the "patriot" act, NDAA 2012 and a host of other "terrorism" and "national security" bills that have destroyed the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Anyone of us, me, you, our family and friends, can be: detained in secret forever, without charge or legal rep., tortured and even executed without so much as a sham trial and now it is legal and secret and of course for "national security" lol)



9/11 was also NOT flawlessly orchestrated.


wt1963, if you want to turn a blind eye to the mountains of problems with the Official Conspiracy Theory/Myth of 9/11, like: Literally tons of destroyed evidence (steel, tapes made by FAA personal, CIA torture tapes with supposed "confessions" all destroyed), massive conflicts of interest with investigators, many conflicting stories, conflicting timelines, omissions, propaganda and out right lies told by known liars in the government and corporate/CIA owned media, then that's your bad choice.

But more and more people don't believe the lies from the corporate/CIA owned media and known liars in government or their little blind government sheep who only deny, deflect, rationalize or just lie to try to stop any questioning of the official b.s. storyline.


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wt1963 said: "Yeah, right. This is the same government that has the CIA funding one group in Syria, while the Pentagon is funding another.....and they are fighting each other!"
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That is NOT an accident or incompetence. That is the plan! They train, fund, support and arm BOTH sides in conflicts. Then when things escalate...the Military Industrial Congress Complex makes billions more because now we get involved...because of the problem they themselves purposely created in the first place.
It's called Problem Reaction Solution.

Our government is interested in G.O.D. Gold Oil Drugs

It is about natural resources, money and power...as always.

And using deception to gain public support from the government sheep is nothing new either...that's just business as usual for the government and it's corporate/CIA owned propaganda media.

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wt1963 said:
"It would have been the scandal of all time, and uncovering such a scandal is something the media would not have been able to resist."
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You really are fooling yourself wt. Today, 90% of the US media is owned by 6 corporations who make massive profits from war and unrest.

90% of everything we see, hear or read is controlled by 6 corporations, do you trust those 6 corporations that much to tell you the truth when their profits are on the line?
The so called media is nothing more than the propaganda wing of the government.

And then there's CIA Operation Mockingbird...CIA infiltration of the media is vast: newspapers, periodicals, press services, news agencies, radio and television stations, book publishers and foreign media outlets,etc. These propaganda relationships are still ongoing between the U.S. government and corporate media outlets. They have only grown stronger and refined their propaganda machines.
The media will NOT report anything the government really wants kept secret.

Just the light weight dirty laundry gets out and then toothless "reforms" are put in place that don't actually do anything (except fool some sheep) and business continues as usual for the government.
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So wt1963, which official 9/11 theory do you believe and why?

1) On and right after 9/11, "experts" said: - Towering Inferno, Steel melted, later backtracked.



2) Or FEMA - Floor failure: "A pancake-type collapse of successive floors", ...this was just their guess. FEMA even admits:

"With the information and time available, the sequence of events leading to the collapse of each tower could not be definitively determined."
-from http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_execsum.pdf



3) Or Silverstein/Weidlinger - Column failure only, this theory was for the insurance suit.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/22/nyregion/expert-report-disputes-us-on-collapse.html



4) Or NIST - External column failure from sagging floors and softened core columns, etc ... leading to pile driver collapse.

Check footnote on page 82 of NIST's final report:

"The focus of the Investigation was on the sequence of events from the instant of aircraft impact to the initiation of collapse for each tower. For brevity in this report, this sequence is referred to as the “probable collapse sequence,” although it includes little analysis of the structural behavior of the tower after the conditions for collapse initiation were reached and collapse became inevitable."
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NIST NCSTAR 1, WTC Investigation
Footnote 5, pg 20 on document pg 70 PDF counter

"The reader should bear in mind that the described damage to the building exterior was derived from eyewitness and photographic evidence. The described damage to the aircraft and the building interior was deemed most likely from the computer simulations and analysis carried out under the Investigation." <<<Whose data inputs are classified!

http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/wtc_finalreports.cfm


NIST's final report released in September 2005, is Part 2 of the official conspiracy theory because of its departure from the first theory -- the pancake theory.

Conflicts of interest should be avoided but NIST used specialists/contractors who were dependent on government contracts or on the official story itself.

NIST states that it found no documents about fire resistance testing, yet it also states that the buildings were rated as Class 1B, which requires such testing.



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Conspiracy theorist - people ridiculed for questioning the statements of known liars.

A “conspiracy theory” no longer means an event explained by a conspiracy. Instead, it now means any explanation, or even a fact, that is out of step with the government’s explanation and that of its corporate and CIA owned media pimps.

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Here's some 9/11 facts:

1) The Secretary of Defense did not enter the chain of command until the morning's key events were over.

Check 9/11 Commission Executive Summary http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Exec.htm

Section titled: An Improvised Homeland Defense: "At more senior levels, communication was poor. Senior military and FAA leaders had no effective communication with each other. The chain of command did not function well. The President could not reach some senior officials. ***The Secretary of Defense did not enter the chain of command until the morning's key events were over.*** Air National Guard units with different rules of engagement were scrambled without the knowledge of the President, NORAD, or the National Military Command Center"
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SECTION The Pentagon Teleconferences:
"On the morning of September 11, Secretary Rumsfeld was having breakfast at the Pentagon with a group of members of Congress. He then returned to his office for his daily intelligence briefing.The Secretary was informed of the second strike in New York during the briefing; he resumed the briefing while awaiting more information. After the Pentagon was struck, Secretary Rumsfeld went to the parking lot to assist with rescue efforts."

911 Commission Report
pg 37 on document pg 54 on PDF counter
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report.pdf

Rumsfeld did nothing for over 30+ minutes knowing it was an attack, and still did nothing even after the Pentagon was struck!

Rumsfeld should have been in the National Military Command Center(NMCC), the Pentagon war room, after the first plane hit and with out a doubt after the second plane hit....not just go back to his meeting and do nothing even after the Pentagon, the building he was in, was hit.

NORAD's Cheyenne Mountain Operations Center, which maintains up-to-the-second monitoring of airspace over the entire nation and would have easily tracked the unfolding attack, but everyone was asleep or knew nothing about anything...yeah, right.

Also see the June 2001 change in hijacking procedures a few months before 9/11.

https://web.archive.org/web/20060512090527/http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01a.pdf
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2) There was a gag order placed on workers at ground zero to silence them.

911stealth FDNY Under Gag Order Jobs at Stake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrAmyDUjINc

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“It’s just amazing how many people are afraid to talk for fear of retaliation or losing their jobs,” said Isaac, regarding the FBI gag order placed on law enforcement and fire department officials, preventing them from openly talking about any inside knowledge of 9/11.

http://www.whale.to/b/szy10.html

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3) FEMA arrived on pier 92 Monday September 10th to setup for Operation Tripod, a Terrorism Drill planned for the 12th.

9/11 Rudy Giuliani - FEMA At Pier 92 On Sept 10 For Planned Terror Drill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmPwwd1NdiU

9/11 To Be Honest ... FEMA Arrived In New York City On Monday Night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EVIfwYKbM8

Also the MTI REPORT 02-06 Saving City Lifelines Lessons Learned in the 9-11 Terrorist Attacks page 15

http://transweb.sjsu.edu/MTIportal/research/publications/documents/Sept11.pdf just yet another "coincidence"
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4) NIST didn't look at any of the steel of building 7 it had been recycled instead of saving it for the investigations.

"because no steel was recovered from WTC7, it is not possible to make any statements about it's quality" NCSTAR1-3 7.7.2

http://www.krusch.com/books/911/Mysterious_Collapse_World_Trade_Center_7.pdf

During the official investigation controlled by FEMA, one hundred fifty pieces of steel were saved for future study. One hundred fifty pieces out of hundreds of thousands of pieces! Moreover it is not clear who made the decision to save these particular pieces. It is clear that the volunteer investigators were doing their work at the Fresh Kills dump, not at Ground Zero, so whatever steel they had access to was first picked over by the people running the cleanup operation.


"9-11 World Trade Center Evidence Removal Disguised As Rescue Effort 9-12-01 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucec1Y9wbR0 its about 10 and a half minutes, the whole video is important but at about 8 minutes 10 seconds in is where the info about evidence removal starts.

The government run FEMA "investigation" wasn't any better.
$ELLING OUT THE INVESTIGATION http://www.fireengineering.com/articles/print/volume-155/issue-1/departments/editors-opinion/elling-out-the-investigation.html

FEMA "investigators" were nothing more than tourists, only allowed to go and see what the government allowed.

Also see #7 below for more info on FEMA "investigation"
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5) NIST concealing the information that leads to their conclusions, because for some reason "disclosure of the information might jeopardize the public safety."

http://cryptome.org/wtc-nist-wtc7-no.pdf <<< NIST's rejection letter to Ronald H. Brookman

NIST already said it was 1 column failing that started the "collapse" so anyone trying to use NIST info to bring a building down would just need to start some random fires and cut 1 column....building collapses almost perfectly...according to NIST that is.
And before you even try saying it was the damage from WTC 1 falling, "the damage from the debris from WTC 1 had little effect on initiating the collapse of WTC 7." NCSTAR1A p.39/130

NIST needs to show that their data inputs are not bogus, but NIST continues to refuse.
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6) NIST was finally forced to stop trying to lie and admitted Building 7 fell at freefall speed for at least 8 stories.

NCSTAR 1A 3.6] "This free fall drop continues for approximately 8 stories, the distance traveled between t=1.75s and t=4.0s...constant, downward acceleration during this time interval. This acceleration was 9.8m/s^2, equivalent to the acceleration of gravity." That means 8 whole stories of building 7 GAVE NO MORE RESISTANCE THAN AIR! Freefall can only be accomplished with demolition. Fire CANNOT cause freefall, ALL supports have to be cut at the same exact time for freefall to happen. Even known controlled demolitions can't always achieve freefall. There's no rationalizing freefall for any amount of time for building 7.


NIST tried to lie and tried hiding freefall until a high school physics teacher called them out on their deception.
In its draft report, released in August 2008, NIST attempted to cover up evidence that WTC7 fell at freefall, but the cover up was transparent. In its final report, released in November 2008, NIST finally acknowledged freefall, but couched it in a bizarre framework that continues to deny its clear significance. This video displays the brazenness of the NIST WTC7 coverup.
NIST finally admits freefall https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkp-4sm5Ypc
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7) Destruction of evidence (WTC steel, ATC tapes and information from the tortured detainees that the 9/11 Commission based their "report")

"Due to the small number of samples, statistical data analysis of the damage features and failure modes would be of little use" 6.4.1 Core Columns page 128 on the pdf file http://fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/fire05/PDF/f05130.pdf

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/07/us/tape-of-air-traffic-controllers-made-on-9-11-was-destroyed.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/07/washington/07intel.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 http://www.nbcnews.com/id/22217926/ns/politics-white_house/t/cia-destroyed-tapes-despite-court-orders/
http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/jose-rodriguez-and-the-ninety-two-tapes

You know, those tapes that supposedly had "confessions" from terrorists that the 9/11 (C)ommission relied HEAVILY on to create their fairytale "report".

You have to take the governments word that they are not lying, really nothing the government has said is backed up with anything....it's either classified, destroyed or it's just some ATM withdrawls or bank accounts.


The US House Committee on Science reported, in March 2002:

" In the month that lapsed between the terrorist attacks and the deployment of the BPAT team, a significant amount of steel debris—including most of the steel from the upper floors—was removed from the rubble pile, cut into smaller sections, and either melted at the recycling plant or shipped out of the U.S. Some of the critical pieces of steel—including the suspension trusses from the top of the towers and the internal support columns—were gone before the first BPAT team member ever reached the site. Fortunately, an NSF-funded independent researcher, recognizing that valuable evidence was being destroyed, attempted to intervene with the City of New York to save the valuable artifacts, but the city was unwilling to suspend the recycling contract. Ultimately, the researcher appealed directly to the recycling plant, which agreed to provide the researcher, and ultimately the ASCE team and the SEAoNY volunteers, access to the remaining steel and a storage area where they could temporarily store important artifacts for additional analysis. Despite this agreement, however, many pieces of steel still managed to escape inspection."

"No clear authority and the absence of an effective protocol for how the building performance investigators should conduct and coordinate their investigation with the concurrent search and rescue efforts, as well as any criminal investigation: Early confusion over who was in charge of the site and the lack of authority of investigators to impound pieces of steel for examination before they were recycled led to the loss of important pieces of evidence that were destroyed early during the search and rescue effort. In addition, a delay in the deployment of FEMA's BPAT team may have compounded the lack of access to valuable data and artifacts."

"Difficulty obtaining documents essential to the investigation, including blueprints, design drawings, and maintenance records: The building owners, designers and insurers, prevented independent researchers from gaining access—and delayed the BPAT team in gaining access—to pertinent building documents largely because of liability concerns. The documents are necessary to validate physical and photographic evidence and to develop computer models that can explain why the buildings failed and how similar failures might be avoided in the future."

"Uncertainty as a result of the confidential nature of the BPAT study: The confidential nature of the BPAT study may prevent the timely discovery of potential gaps in the investigation, which may never be filled if important, but ephemeral evidence, such as memories or home videotapes, are lost. The confidentiality agreement that FEMA requires its BPAT members to sign has frustrated the efforts of independent researchers to understand the collapse, who are unsure if their work is complementary to, or duplicative of, that of the BPAT team. In addition, the agreement has prevented the sharing of research results and the ordinary scientific give-and-take that otherwise allows scientists and engineers to winnow ideas and strengthen results."


-From http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/science/hsy77747.000/hsy77747_0.htm
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8) There were Wargames on and around 9/11/01 one of them even included a hijacked plane crashing into the World Trade Center.

Peter Jennings Describes 9/11 Wargames: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpI9hD23Meg http://911proof.com/9.html

The Failure to Defend the Skies on 9/11 timeline http://www.historycommons.org/essay.jsp?article=essayairdefense


Yeah them running a "drill" that is the same as what is happening in real life....just yet another amazing "coincidence" to add to the mountains of other "coincidences". How many "coincidences" can you have for 1 event until you start to wonder?
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9) Bush and Cheney after delaying the start of the investigation for over a year and then only agreeing to appear before the commission on the condition that they: NOT BE UNDER OATH, testify together (not separately as was requested), behind closed doors and the testimony would not be recorded electronically or transcribed, and that the only record would be notes taken by one of the commission staffers and even these notes would not be made public! Total secrecy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9AoaU7LlTk

And the 9/11 (C)ommission relied heavily on another government run "investigation", Penttbom, which just like all the others, you just have to take the governments word that they are not lying to us again.

Penttbom was full of useless biographical info that proves nothing other than people have bank accounts and use ATM's. Penttbom was just like all the other government run "investigations", just statements made by the government with no actual proof.

And the "hijackers" just so happen to leave luggage full of just the right info to neatly tie them all together and they mostly used joint accounts so they could be easily linked with one another....that was just so nice of the "hijackers" to have all their info ready to go for the government to easily find.
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10) Cheney requested Tom Daschle (who was sent anthrax from a US military base) on several occasions limit the scope of the investigation and not to investigate the issue of prior knowledge.

Patrick Leahy and Tom Daschle – Opposed passage of the PATRIOT Act and received anthrax letters.

Cheney & Bush Asked Tom Daschle Not To Investigate 9/11 AT ALL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePOIhhd9Jr0

https://www.aclu.org/files/assets/CIA.pdf page 26

The President and Vice President trying to stop investigations into the biggest attack in our countries history is certainly not an irrelevant fact.

The anthrax was from a US military lab! Do you think Al Qaeda broke in and stole it or something? Or that Bruce Ivins had anything to do with it? As usual, the government has zero evidence Ivins had anything to do with it. Just yet another unanswered question about 9/11.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/new-report-casts-doubt-on-fbi-anthrax-investigation/

http://www.gao.gov/assets/670/667671.pdf

http://www.globalresearch.ca/head-of-the-fbis-anthrax-investigation-says-the-whole-thing-was-a-sham/5443516
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11) The Commission was not about assigning blame, no accountability, no one was fired, promotions were handed out instead...PROMOTIONS were handed out to the people in charge when the biggest supposed "failure" to protect us in our nations history happened.

Promotions after the 9/11 attacks: http://www.mountingevidence.org/appendix-b.html http://911blogger.com/node/12767

You don't promote failure.
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12) Bush and bin Laden families connections (Arbusto Oil, Bush Sr. would stay with the bin Ladens when he was in Saudi Arabia, Carlyle group whose members included Bush Sr. and Shafiq bin Laden OBL's brother had meetings in D.C. at the Ritz Carlton September 10 and 11, 2001. Search Bush bin Laden family connections plenty of information out there.

http://www.denverpost.com/rodriguez/ci_4319898

Estranged from his family? maybe, maybe not. When your family member is a wanted person, I don't think anyone would say..."yeah we were hanging out last week" lol
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13) U.S. is offered bin Laden twice, before and after the attacks if they just provide evidence, the Bush Admin. refuses to do so.

Bush Was Offered Osama Bin Laden On A Silver Platter - 2/27/01: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX_t8qPQp1g END WAR No Evidence Given To Public Or Taliban On OBL Behind 9/11 & Thus Preventing Needless War: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LOTSxM_2oE
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14) 9/11 Commission Report was a Commission admittedly "set up to fail" according to the Chairman himself.

The 9/11 Commission was "set up to fail": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0LBARGBupM

Also check out Philip Zelikow, Executive Director of the 9/11 Commission, his college thesis was on the "Creation and Maintenence of Public Myths." Zelikow basically wrote the 9/11 Commission's myth, he decided what would be seen and what wouldn't be seen. Here is an article he did in 1998, 3 years before the attacks:

http://belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/publication/652/catastrophic_terrorism.html

The method employed by Phillip Zelikow is known as stove-piping. He had all information and evidence come directly through him and his judgment before it saw the light of day, if ever. According to sources, he would give fact-finding tasks to staff members (ex. Hijackers origins, Pentagon actions, F.A.A. response, etc.) and then take their conclusions, organize them with the other groups conclusions and rewrite everything. On more then one occasion, staffers complained that they were being told not to
investigate certain things or only focus on one issue. This method used by Mr. Zelikow is known as compartmentalization. It is commonly used by the N.S.A. or C.I.A. to make sure no one person can piece together all the components of a particular truth.

15) There were many, many conflicts of interest in the 9/11 Commission members.

The conflicts of interest in the 9/11 Commission members and Henry "King of Coverups" Kissinger, a wanted war criminal.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4549161/conflict-interest-philip-zelikow-911-commission

http://www.dc911truth.org/flyers/4Supp911Conflicts.pdf
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/12/13/kissinger.resigns/

Conflicts of interest in any investigation is certainly not irrelevant.
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16) Commissioner Max Cleland resigning from the 9/11 Commission saying "The White House is playing cover up."

http://www.democracynow.org/2004/3/23/the_white_house_has_played_cover

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17) There was elevator modernization, rust treatment and asbestos abatement of major steel support columns within the elevator shafts of WTC towers 1 and 2 that was ongoing leading up to 9/11.
And access to Towers elevator shafts means access to core columns where occupants can't see.

There was asbestos removal in the elevator shafts that was ongoing leading up to 9/11 (From the Merritt & Harris building assessment from Dec. 2000 pg.16) that says "Abatement of asbestos containing fireproofing material in elevator shafts is ongoing"

They also had access to the visco-elastic dampers. (from M&H building assessment from Dec. 2000 pg.15)
The visco-elastic dampers minimize the sway sensation, there were about 10,000 visco-elastic dampers between support columns and floor trusses throughout the building. And the next "physical sampling and analysis" of the visco-elastic dampers was in 2001.

There's also Demolition Access To The WTC Towers Part 1, for a lot more detailed info.

http://911review.com/articles/ryan/demolition_access_p1.html

Demolition Access To The WTC Towers: Part Two - Security http://911review.com/articles/ryan/demolition_access_p2.html

Demolition Access to the WTC Towers: Part Three - Carlyle, Kissinger, SAIC and Halliburton: A 9/11 Convergence

http://911review.com/articles/ryan/carlyle_kissinger_saic_halliburton.html

Demolition Access to the WTC Towers: Part Four - Cleanup http://911review.com/articles/ryan/demolition_access_p4.html


An article from Elevator World from March 2001 titled "Drive to the Top" by Robert Baamonde, Jr. Ace elevator undertook what was perhaps, one of the largest, most sophisticated elevator modernization programs in the industry's history. It took place at the WTC, they won second place for Elevator World's Project of the Year award.

There's also NIST, I would not call NIST a legitimate source for info but NIST itself says that, on 9/11, “Elevators 6A and 7A were out of service for modernization“. (NIST NCSTAR 1-8, p.97).


Major WTC renovations to be completed within one year of December, 2000 included rust treatment and asbestos abatement of major steel support columns within the elevator shafts of WTC towers 1 and 2, from M&H report, info highlighted in M&H report here: http://911blogger.com/news/2009-12-10/port-authority-nynj-no-records-contracts-all-major-wtc-renovations-recommended-year-2000-property-assessment
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And for anyone who thinks a building couldn't be rigged without people in the building knowing or anyone who thinks it couldn't be kept secret really need to look into the secret retrofit of the Citibank Tower. They brought people in to weld during the night and cleaned up and left every morning before the occupants arrived. The occupants had no idea what was going on in their building or the danger they were in.

I guess some people think incendiary/explosives are always in boxes with Acme Explosives written on the side.

How Manhattan escaped tragedy (3 parts)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZhgTewKhTQ

The Secret Retrofit of the Citibank Tower in 1978
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_ekNosnieQ

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/buildingbig/wonder/structure/citicorp.html


http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1995/05/29/the-fifty-nine-story-crisis

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_eye/2014/04/17/the_citicorp_tower_design_flaw_that_could_have_wiped_out_the_skyscraper.html


I am sure some people can just ignore all these facts, but for anyone who isn't determined to over look or deny facts, please look deeply into 9/11.


WTC Explosive Connections pdf's (very detailed connections of business's and familiar people):

https://wikispooks.com/w/images/e/ef/WTC1_Explosive_Connections.pdf

https://wikispooks.com/w/images/6/65/WTC2_Explosive_Connections.pdf

Far fetched you say? Just recently an unredacted report came out, it is called the "28 pages", it is 28 pages of redacted material from the Joint House Inquiry Session which took place in September 2002. In these pages lay the knowledge of this attack by the CIA and the NSA, they knew two of the hijackers(Khalid al-Midhair & Nawaf al-Hamnzi) since 199 and they were participants in the American Embassy bombing. They were tracking these two from Afghanistan all the way into San Diego, California. For two years. They never alerted the FBI nor the state department. It wasn't until the final week of August that the CIA then told the FBI that they were in the states. But by then, it was too late, they werent living openly anymore in San Diego. In those pages as well was the full complicit monetary funding from Saudi Arabia to said hijackers who were once called "The Hamburg Cell", Hamburg,Germany where Mohammad Atta was living. Prince Bandar, Omar al-Bayoumi (the man who personally helped both al-Midahir and al-Hamnzi) and Prince Bandars wife, Haifa bint Faisa all three personally funded the 9/11 hijackers, and the CIA knew it. Along with Israeli foreign policy and AIPAC (The Jewish organization which dictates American foreign policy) are all complicit.

Don't think the AMIC (American Military Industrial Complex) don't have Neo-Con factions that can pull off such a scenario on the American people? It was already done before, but failed mainly thanks to JFK's refusla to sign such an order. take one look at Operation Northwoods, also take a look at past wars based on lies from said government in the Vietnam War (Gulf of Tonkin) which was based on the false reports from the Naval administration. You have a long ways to go my son, on what lies hidden beneath this veil of tears called the world. Because many, and i do mean many, people won't or can't look underneath, for fear of destroying their fantasy vision of reality.

Kamal Obeid
S.E. Structural Engineer
"Structural engineers and other building professionals need to understand that these buildings did not fail the way they are claimed to have failed."

Scott Grainger
P.E., Forensic Fire Protection Engineer
"Structural steel frame high-rise buildings simply do not collapse due to fire."

Ed Munyak
P.E., 25-Year Fire Protection and Mechanical Engineer
"Even one global collapse would have been extraordinary, but to have 3 occur in one day was just beyond comprehension."

David Chandler
B.S Physics, M.S. Mathematics
"People with scientific and engineering backgrounds are looking at the 3 WTC collapses, and what they see is very definite evidence of explosive demolition, as opposed to a "natural" catastrophe."

Jerry Lobdill
B.S.Ch.E., Physicist/Chemical Engineer
"All the eyewitness testimony and video evidence supports only controlled demolition as the cause of destruction for all 3 WTC buildings."

Robert Podolsky
M.S., Physicist/Engineer
"All 3 WTC buildings fell way faster than they would have had there been any resistance from the lower part of the building."

Gery Warner
P.E. Mechanical Engineer
"Molten aluminum is silver. It looks like mercury. The molten metal pouring out of the South Tower is indicative of molten iron, not aluminum.”

William Brinnier
25-Year Architect
"Not hit by a plane, with small fires and little damage from debris, there was just no logical explanation for Building 7 to come straight down through what was the path of greatest resistance in under 7 seconds."

Dan Barnum
FAIA, High-Rise Architect
"The tops of the buildings were basically disintegrated."

Frank Cullinan
P.E., Civil Engineer
"It was shocking how fast the buildings collapsed. Tens of thousands of structural connections had to fail not only nearly simultaneously, but in sequential order.”

Anthony Szamboti
B.S.M.E., Mechanical Engineer
"The tons of molten metal under just the three WTC buildings that collapsed made me realize that what we're being told about how they collapsed is false."

Casey Pfeiffer
S.E. Structural Engineer
"Even if a floor were to collapse it still wouldn't be able to collapse all of the connections simultaneously at the rate that it did without secondary explosions."

William Rice
P.E., Civil/Structural Engineer
"Watching Building 7 collapse in under 7 seconds, after watching the Twin Towers collapse, I think most anyone would recognize these as controlled demolitions."

Steven Jones
Ph,D., Physicist, Former Brigham Young Univ. Professor
"Molten metal in the basements of all three buildings. What is this molten metal? Direct evidence of the use of thermite."

David Gregg
Ph.D., Chemical Engineer 30 years at Livermore Laboratories
"The only way that's known that a carbonaceous material can cause steel, or iron oxide to turn into a molten metal is in a blast furnace. And that's very different than what we had."

Kevin Ryan
B.S. Chemistry, Former Mgr. Underwriters Laboratories
"Thermite -if it was present at the World Trade Center, and created this molten metal that so many witnesses and photographic evidence shows would also explain potentially the fact that fires could not be put out at Ground Zero."

Jody Gibbs
35-Year Architect
"The Twin Towers fell at a speed which can only occur if the vertical structure has been removed."

Robert Kim Ireland
B.S.Ch.E., Chemical Engineer
"3 buildings collapsed on 9/11 but there were only 2 planes, that means the third building, WTC 7, had to collapse for some other reason."

Jason Cheshire
B.S.Ch.E., Chemical Engineer/Metallurgist
"1400º hot spots at the WTC for over a week indicates that there was something very hot going on below the surface."

Kathy McGrade
B.S., Materials Engineering
"In an office fire, you cannot generate enough heat to melt steel."

Mark Basile
B.S.Ch.E., 25 Years in Materials Analysis
"I've independently seen thermitic activity within 2 separate independent samples of world trade center dust. All of the characteristics of the micro-spheres tell me that thermite was used in melting those steel beams."

Robert Podolsky
M.S., Physicist/Engineer
"All 3 WTC buildings fell way faster than they would have had there been any resistance from the lower part of the building."

Niels Harrit
Ph.D., Chemistry
"A new investigation is needed that includes looking for remaining explosives and
thermitic materials in the WTC dust."


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