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any Truthers realize this film doesn't actually contradict their views?

posted 10 years ago by RustyShacklefurd
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I’ve noticed there’s a lot of Truthers here bashing this movie for supposedly portraying the standard account of 9/11, which is that the planes crashing into the towers caused them to fall. But this movie doesn’t say what caused the towers to fall. It merely shows that they do fall, a point that everyone agrees on. Thus, the movie doesn’t actually contradict the Truther view of 9/11. Have any of you Truthers here figured that out yet?

[–] The_Knight_RiderV22 10 years ago

Yes, obviously. Apart from from the lack explosions going off that brought the towers down.

[–] RustyShacklefurd 10 years ago

The movie shows only one of the towers falling. At the time that it fell, it showed cops on the bottom floor. They wouldn't have seen or heard any explosions much higher up in the building. As I said before, the movie doesn't show what caused the towers to fall.

[–] Edfonypost 7 years ago

What an ignorant twerp.

[–] Volley2015 10 years ago

Explosions are heard in the movie, which makes sense, as thousands of people near the towers heard explosions, some even before initial impact of the North Tower....

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[–] lgillettemartin 9 years ago

The North Tower was hit first. Nowhere is there any credible reportage of "thousands of people" hearing explosions prior to that. If you can point me to it, I'll take a look. Some of the "explosions" you hear during the movie, if you read or listen to eyewitness accounts, were the sounds of bodies hitting as people jumped to their deaths.

[–] McMike1 10 years ago

In the film, Oliver Stone showed the actual footage of the WTC 7 implosion. That's a good enough hint for the movie goers IMO.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5860825099435530591#

[–] RustyShacklefurd 8 years ago

McMike1,

Oliver Stone showing footage of WTC 7 collapsing in the movie wasn't necessarily meant to be a hint to anyone that he believed that it was brought down by controlled demolition. That may not have been Stone's intention at all. People who don't believe it was a controlled demolition won't necessarily see mere footage of the collapse as definitive proof of anything. Showing the footage in the movie may have merely been Stone's way of emphasizing that ground zero and the area around it was still a dangerous place while rescuers were looking for survivors.

[–] Victoriavixen 10 years ago

Dear God I hate the buzzword "Truther".

[–] dommyboysinjapan 8 years ago

I’ve noticed there’s a lot of Truthers here bashing this movie for supposedly portraying the standard account of 9/11, which is that the planes crashing into the towers caused them to fall. But this movie doesn’t say what caused the towers to fall. It merely shows that they do fall, a point that everyone agrees on. Thus, the movie doesn’t actually contradict the Truther view of 9/11. Have any of you Truthers here figured that out yet?

Of course I have. It isn't rocket science. The movie actually does show a lot of explosions going on in the lower parts of the buildings that really don't look like just a collapse from a fire or a fire and damage from airliners 100 floors up.

I have always liked Oliver Stone. JFK is one of my all time favorite movies and yeah, of course, his WTC movie steers away from focusing on what took down the towers but keeps all the explosions in. Why would you even try to assume that we wouldn't realize that this movie doesn't contradict what over 2000 architects and engineers said happened on that day?

"Knowledge is power"

Bobby G. McIlvaine

[–] RustyShacklefurd 8 years ago

dommyboysinjapan,

I don’t assume anything. I’ve seen truthers complain about this movie being false propaganda in several threads on this forum. Unlike you, I saw nothing in the movie’s depiction of anything before, during or after the collapse that could be necessarily interpreted as definitive proof for either view about what caused the tower to fall. I don't recall the movie showing any explosions. I do recall hearing a lot of booms and rumbling in the movie but those sounds weren't necessarily meant to be coming from explosions.

[–] topherb420 7 years ago

Kamal Obeid
S.E. Structural Engineer
"Structural engineers and other building professionals need to understand that these buildings did not fail the way they are claimed to have failed."

Scott Grainger
P.E., Forensic Fire Protection Engineer
"Structural steel frame high-rise buildings simply do not collapse due to fire."

Ed Munyak
P.E., 25-Year Fire Protection and Mechanical Engineer
"Even one global collapse would have been extraordinary, but to have 3 occur in one day was just beyond comprehension."

David Chandler
B.S Physics, M.S. Mathematics
"People with scientific and engineering backgrounds are looking at the 3 WTC collapses, and what they see is very definite evidence of explosive demolition, as opposed to a "natural" catastrophe."

Jerry Lobdill
B.S.Ch.E., Physicist/Chemical Engineer
"All the eyewitness testimony and video evidence supports only controlled demolition as the cause of destruction for all 3 WTC buildings."

Robert Podolsky
M.S., Physicist/Engineer
"All 3 WTC buildings fell way faster than they would have had there been any resistance from the lower part of the building."

Gery Warner
P.E. Mechanical Engineer
"Molten aluminum is silver. It looks like mercury. The molten metal pouring out of the South Tower is indicative of molten iron, not aluminum.”

William Brinnier
25-Year Architect
"Not hit by a plane, with small fires and little damage from debris, there was just no logical explanation for Building 7 to come straight down through what was the path of greatest resistance in under 7 seconds."

Dan Barnum
FAIA, High-Rise Architect
"The tops of the buildings were basically disintegrated."

Frank Cullinan
P.E., Civil Engineer
"It was shocking how fast the buildings collapsed. Tens of thousands of structural connections had to fail not only nearly simultaneously, but in sequential order.”

Anthony Szamboti
B.S.M.E., Mechanical Engineer
"The tons of molten metal under just the three WTC buildings that collapsed made me realize that what we're being told about how they collapsed is false."

Casey Pfeiffer
S.E. Structural Engineer
"Even if a floor were to collapse it still wouldn't be able to collapse all of the connections simultaneously at the rate that it did without secondary explosions."

William Rice
P.E., Civil/Structural Engineer
"Watching Building 7 collapse in under 7 seconds, after watching the Twin Towers collapse, I think most anyone would recognize these as controlled demolitions."

Steven Jones
Ph,D., Physicist, Former Brigham Young Univ. Professor
"Molten metal in the basements of all three buildings. What is this molten metal? Direct evidence of the use of thermite."

David Gregg
Ph.D., Chemical Engineer 30 years at Livermore Laboratories
"The only way that's known that a carbonaceous material can cause steel, or iron oxide to turn into a molten metal is in a blast furnace. And that's very different than what we had."

Kevin Ryan
B.S. Chemistry, Former Mgr. Underwriters Laboratories
"Thermite -if it was present at the World Trade Center, and created this molten metal that so many witnesses and photographic evidence shows would also explain potentially the fact that fires could not be put out at Ground Zero."

Jody Gibbs
35-Year Architect
"The Twin Towers fell at a speed which can only occur if the vertical structure has been removed."

Robert Kim Ireland
B.S.Ch.E., Chemical Engineer
"3 buildings collapsed on 9/11 but there were only 2 planes, that means the third building, WTC 7, had to collapse for some other reason."

Jason Cheshire
B.S.Ch.E., Chemical Engineer/Metallurgist
"1400º hot spots at the WTC for over a week indicates that there was something very hot going on below the surface."

Kathy McGrade
B.S., Materials Engineering
"In an office fire, you cannot generate enough heat to melt steel."

Mark Basile
B.S.Ch.E., 25 Years in Materials Analysis
"I've independently seen thermitic activity within 2 separate independent samples of world trade center dust. All of the characteristics of the micro-spheres tell me that thermite was used in melting those steel beams."

Robert Podolsky
M.S., Physicist/Engineer
"All 3 WTC buildings fell way faster than they would have had there been any resistance from the lower part of the building."

Niels Harrit
Ph.D., Chemistry
"A new investigation is needed that includes looking for remaining explosives and
thermitic materials in the WTC dust."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddz2mw2vaEg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5UyynjxAyw&t=2s