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Some viewers who watched this must really not understand it


This movie is about a man. One man. It's about him and how he interacts and impacts the people that come into his life, whether by intent or accident. He's a cold, distant and yet driven man who has no doubts and no regrets. He will use a little boy to further his goals, just as he will use a charismatic preacher who is driven by some of the same vices as him. What's not to get? It's the personal journey of this man to achieve his aims at costs he is indifferent too and in the end, even the one person he would call family, despises him. It is a movie about a bad man, plain and simple.

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Ah gee thanks i thought it was about a woman.

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LOL. Good one.

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One good woman against a sexist and hostile world.

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That´s the movie i wanna see!

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You're in luck, cuz that's the only movie they make anymore.

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LOL!!

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and that is good because?

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I got that upon my first viewing. I just don't think there's much else to this story. As for DDL's performance I have to admit that I found it a bit corny and almost maudlin in some respects. For what it's worth this movie is about a man's journey from laborious prospecting to exuberant economic success and all of the dirty deeds required to reach it. But there's no major character arc to Daniel Planview other than the slight reference to him running from the past. Paul Thomas Anderson never explored this for some reason but I think it could have lifted this film to a higher plain of story telling akin to the Godfather, Sunset Blvd., Giant, etc.

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This movie is about a man. One man.


You're assuming 'his' gender.

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LOL!!!

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I don't know... I think he has some level of "regret" as to his relationship with H.W. I don't think he feels that he's responsible but I still think he has some regret to it.

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Maybe it's you who doesn't understand it? I don't think he's quite the one-dimensional character you describe. I think he really did care for HW. He expresses real emotion when Eli forces him to admit that he abandoned him. In fact, it's the one part of the whole process that he can't seem to bear. Also, when he sent HW away after the fire, he asks on his living conditions. And look how concerned he was about his condition when the well exploded. Clearly he's concerned about him, to some degree at least. I think he intended to have HW carry on his business. Taking him on surveys and scouting expeditions with him and explaining aspects and strategies of the operation seem to indicate that. When HW later decides to strike out on his own, I think he is disappointed, feels betrayed, and lashes out. He also made those comments to Mr. Sunday to get him to stop beating his daughter. Finally, after killing the impersonator, he's clearly very emotional reading his brother's diary. I'm not saying he wasn't a bad man, but I just think there was more to the character than simply that.

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You’re missing some of the allegorical stuff about religion vs consumerism in today’s world. Daniel the capitalist conquers Eli the spiritual leader, just as consumerism has largely destroyed religion. Much like the end of Heat, Daniel has killed his arch enemy, and states ‘I’m finished’ - he has won, but also destroyed any vestiges a soul inside him. The West is now filled with young people going mad with paradise syndrome - they have all the creature comforts and technological marvels you could wish for, but no spiritual life, only endlessly deranging narcissism.

Eli was certainly a fraud, but I find it interesting that the baptism scene does appear to be a moment of genuine penance and catharsis for Daniel, and in the next scene he has acted and brought H.W. home.

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This is a beautiful point. Your comment has a very discerning insight, particularly the film's allegorical depiction of the triumph of the material world over the spiritual.

I would like to note, however, that while Eli is portrayed as a spiritual figure, he is not the embodiment of its virtues. There are very little, if any, moral virtues present in Eli. He has been corrupted by the material, and is in fact representing the privatization of religion as a means of material acquisition instead of spiritual development. The religious rituals he performs are empty. They do not serve to bring proximity with God, and are only tools for Eli. He uses them to further his temporal prospects. "You cannot worship God and mammon."

The nihilism present in today's generation is the logical conclusion to consumerism (hedonism, appeal to the physical), which stands in direct opposition to spiritual and moral development.

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The nihilism present in today's generation is the logical conclusion to consumerism (hedonism, appeal to the physical), which stands in direct opposition to spiritual and moral development.


I think one can be a consumer and be spiritual, the two are not mutually exclusive, but the West is suffering from a spirituality deficit while consumerism flourishes.

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Perhaps under regulated circumstances, but unhinged exuberance has demonstrated eventual spiritual decay. The idea of regulated prosperity is antithetical to the capitalist mantra, which fosters boundless abundance.

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Nobody should be ‘regulating’ anyone else’s prosperity. Boundless abundance is a good thing, but an individual will find themself miserable if they consume without any spiritual considerations.

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Bhakti Vijñāna Gosvāmī, in one of his ruminations on the current state of the world, stated that what we are seeing is the logical conclusion to the Enlightenment Period, which elevated scientific materialism as the primary driving force for progress.

Undoubtedly, The Enlightenment brought about many innovations and breakthroughs, but it came at the expense of the soul. Although religiosity has been on the decline for decades now, the phenomenon of many individuals now looking into spiritual development practices such as meditation shows us that there a tangible vacuity with unadulterated materialism.

Mindless consumerism is like high-fructose corn syrup; it creates the feeling of satiety, but is ultimately nutritionally empty.




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"endlessly deranging narcissism"

That is a perfect description of the pathology of the present moment.

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