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Article about the CBC president


It seems he's noticed a certain lack of decent programming on his network. Well, that happens when you cancel three shows that were a major reason for watching your network and screw up covering the Olympics:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20060309/ca_pr_on_me/tv_rabinovitch_cbc_1

I give him until the end of the year. Tops. If he really wanted to change things, he needs to start right now and there's no evidence of any such thing. In fact, I've been reading some interesting blog discussions by former insiders that indicate the CBC is so rife with nepotism and corruption that the same people just cycle through the management in different roles and that CBC will change its ways about the same time that the Pope converts to Buddhism.

I fear for Intelligence. It would be so much better off on CTV.

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The new head of arts and entertainment programming at CBC apparently feels that no major changes need be made:

http://www.edmontonsun.com/Entertainment/Showbiz/2006/03/30/1512169-sun.html

My favorite article was the one where the CBC director refused to unveil the Fall lineup for fear some competitor might steal their ideas (any bets on whether they have any yet?). These people really have no concept whatsoever of effective advertising, do they?

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He did say he is going to focus more on series television, but yeah, since they killed three series (two of which were actually good) I'm gonna remain a little -- strike that, make it a lot -- skeptical.

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Yup, how do you focus on series television when your network cancelled some of the best of what it already had to offer? I can see building new ideas, but not at the expense of the few good things they had going. Geesh!

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Well, now it's common knowledge that the DVCH movie and Intelligence are all they have on the fall schedule so far. And it's April. This could get interesting.

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Oops, my post about the "Ontario Today" call-in show probably belonged in this thread. Should've read down the list before posting. Oh, well. Here's the gist of it:

I heard Fuchs interviewed on CBC's afternoon call-in show (for this area), "Ontario Today." No real new news, but many folks who called in expressed disappointment that "Da Vinci's City Hall" was cancelled. One woman said she thought maybe the reason the number of viewers dropped off was due to "Da Vinci fatigue," that they'd grown tired of the series, but I don't think so. Otherwise, I'd think you would've seen a gradual decline in viewership over the course of "Inquest," rather than the radical drop that came with "City Hall." I think it had more to do with the drastic shift in tone of the new series, which many folks never adjusted to.

There were a lot of really good comments, which I hope Fuchs takes to heart. The main thing is that Canadians want Canadian stories, not Hollywood north. That's something "Da Vinci" did so well. Fuchs noted that Chris Haddock is continuing to do work for CBC (as we all know), with a new series in the fall (which he didn't name, but which we all know will be "Intelligence"). And, as we know, he said that a couple of "Da Vinci" movies are in the works, though he didn't offer any specifics there, either. He said the focus will be on the development of series that Canadians want to tune in to, and that the fall schedule will be coming out in five weeks (I think that's what he said). It will be interesting to see what's on it.

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Thanks for the info. At this point, I don't have much hope that CBC will pull out of its nosedive in time for the fall season. Anybody who can do the Zombielympics that they did back in February isn't doing so hot.

I agree that the shift in tone had something to do with the drop, though I still think lousy advertising, the strike and screwing scheduling had a lot more to do with it. With a network that was solidly behind it instead of screwing around and screwing it over, DVCH was good enough to have survived its growing pains. I also have to wonder about the network that cancels a show and then immediately orders the first in a series of tv-movies of said show and another series from the same guy who created the supposedly unsatisfactory show. Sounds a lot more like they didn't want to pay for a whole series, period, than that the show itself was inadequate. Can we say "cheap"?

But CBC has some major issues that prevent all of its programming from achieving its one-million goal, not just the shows it cancelled. If you look at numbers in Britain, where a strong hit is seven million, or the U.S., where a hit is ten to twenty million, you immediately notice that in terms of population, one million in Canada should be doable for a decent hit and that seven hundred thousand is pretty respectable. Da Vinci's numbers slowly slid over the years, but even its worst numbers weren't as terrible as the crap CBC has put in its place. And CBC gave At the Hotel a lot more advertisement than they ever did DVCH. So, you have to wonder what they're thinking, because at the rate they're going, they aren't going to be meeting their lofty goals this year.

As for those who claim DVI was past its prime, they were saying that back in season two. There certainly was some unseemly dancing on DVCH's grave, but I suspect that has a lot more to do with Torontonitis and the incestuous jealousy of the Canadian tv and film industry than DVI's supposedly declining quality over the years. Season two, which was when they posted the highest ratings for the show ever, had some great episodes, but it never hung together quite as seemlessly as, say, season five and season five definitely made some critics unhappy. Personally, I thought the best season was six, but that the last two eps of season seven were well worth waiting for (there was some DVCH-style dithering early in that season that didn't thrill me). If Haddock had ended DVCH's first season with the kind of definitiveness that he did season seven, I think he would have irritated his audience a lot less.

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As one of the callers noted, CBC really got scooped with "Corner Gas" (hit sitcom over on CTV). It's one of very few genuine Canadian TV hits; "Corner Gas" has never gone below a million viewers a week since it first aired in 2004. In fact, I read that they had 1.8 million viewers for last month's season finale. That's especially impressive when you see how the ratings are dominated by American shows. (To give you an idea, "Corner Gas" is the only scripted Canadian series in the Top 20.) To folks in the States, closing in on 2 million viewers per week probably doesn't sound like such a big deal . . . till you realize that Canada's total population is about the same as that of California.

The thing is, a formula like "Corner Gas" shouldn't have been hard to figure out. (I don't know if anything like this has ever been pitched at CBC, so I'm just speculating here.) It's a "Seinfeld"-like concept, in that it's pretty simple and straightforward, not really about anything in particular except the characters and their goofy eccentricities. But maybe the fact that it's set (and filmed) out in Saskatchewan was confusing to those who thought no one would tune in to a show like that. Oops!

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Here's the latest CBC attempt to tell everybody that everything is finefineFINE over at Fort Dork (CBC to those joining us late and from south of the border). Whatever this woman's on, I'd like some:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/30052006/2/entertainment-new-cbc-tv-program-boss-optimistic-ratings-future.html

I would have thought that if you were focused on "original" programming (the U.S. is no model for that, btw, since Hollywood rips off half the world for its best stuff and hasn't an original bone in its overfed body), and scrambling to find as much as you could, you would promote what you had instead of cancelling it. But hey, I don't work at Fort Dork, so what do I know?

Also, I could have sworn there was a guy before her who was ranting about the same stuff just a few months ago. Where'd he disappear to? And what about that snarky little cow who announced the cancellations of DVCH and Wonderland? Do they have a cornfield where they wish failed execs or do they just go into a Witness Protection Program and get sicked on the Vancouver office with a new name?

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Ah, well, it was for this creative insight, this leap of imagination, that we lost "Da Vinci's City Hall":

CBC-TV fall lineup leans heavily on reality shows
http://www.cbc.ca/story/arts/national/2006/06/15/cbc-lineup.html

Looks like they're still trying to be all things to all people, unfortunately. The lesson the CBC seems to have learned all too well from their southern neighbors (but don't mention in this article) is that (un)reality shows are cheap to produce; I have no doubt that cutting costs is what's behind this slant in the programming. However, their audiences are also notoriously fickle, so it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

At least we get "Intelligence" (not to be confused with the network or most of its offerings).

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Yes we do and apparently, Ian Tracey is now officially being charged with saving the CBC:

http://torontosun.com/Entertainment/Television/2006/06/16/1635778-sun.html

My personal favorite was the last paragraph. Of course he said that. Maybe he can be a Star Trek captain and kick Borg butt next. I also liked the article with the title: "CBC TV Pitches to hip, younger viewers" ( http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/etoday/story.html?id=b020f1e0-89c2-4088-863c-074b752d1eee&k=8339 ). I thought, "Well, since nobody else is watching, why not?

Did you hear they yanked the Tommy Douglas biopic from further broadcasts (and you can't order it in their store anymore) because, ostensibly, Jimmy Gardiner's family complained it was factually inaccurate? Didn't they just air Braveheart? Why didn't they yank that?


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LOL, thanks for the link! Ian Tracey is a gem. I hope the CBC really appreciates what they have with him, because they seem to have forgotten all the others they have . . . er, had.

I hadn't heard about the Tommy Douglas brouhaha. A little too close to home for their comfort? CBC probably wouldn't be top of the list of potential legal complaints from William Wallace's descendants.

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>LOL, thanks for the link! Ian Tracey is a gem.

Isn't he, though?

"From the other side of the country comes Intelligence."

I swear, I'd watch Intelligence just for that that one crack he made, even if the pilot hadn't been great and he wasn't one of the best actors out there. You Canadians have Ian Tracey and Nick Campbell. We have...Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt. It's not fair, man.

>hope the CBC really appreciates what they have with him, because they seem to have forgotten all the others they have . . . er, had.

Oh, you so know they won't. But he's a total trouper with plenty of other irons in the fire (playing somebody new and scary on The 4400 since last week, for example). Nick Campbell always says exactly what's on his mind whenever asked, bless him. Tracey, now, he waits. And waits. And just when it will have maximum effect, he says something loaded with snark and walks away. He does innocent real well, too, so he gets away clean. There's a man who could do Bambi one week and Hannibal Lecter the next.

Yeah, they yanked Tommy Douglas. After it broadcast to nearly a million viewers, of course. When I read that, I thought of that seventies song, "The Streak": "Don't look, Ethel! Too late. She'd been mooned."

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I'm going to have to do a search on this. Am I reading this right? Wasn't that a miniseries, or at least a two-parter? And they cancelled it partway into its run? How the heck do you pull that off, especially after all the previews they ran for it? What did they do, run a hockey repeat in its place? A retrospective of Don Cherry fashions?

And hasn't anybody heard of creative license? (Probably spelled licence up here. I'm an American living in Canada, so I don't have a clue how to spell anything anymore.) This wasn't a documentary, folks. It was a movie. Movies get to make stuff up; it's what they do (even if they're based on a real person). *sigh*

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Nono. It was a two-part miniseries that aired in full in March (and I got it on tape, happily). They were going to air it in January, but CBC got cold feet and pushed it forward two months because, so they claimed, it might unduly influence voters during the election. Sheesh.

Apparently, though, CBC was going to rebroadcast it this summer. Also, they had it out on DVD in May. But then, Jimmie Gardiner's family complained that it was historically inaccurate and the CBC yanked it indefinitely from rebroadcast until they could retune it or whatever (yeah, that'll happen) and now, you can't buy it at the CBC store. Its page is still up, but you have to have a direct link to find it and you can't add the DVD to the shopping cart.

Never mind. There are plenty of other vendors out there selling it and the libraries all have it already.

The main beefs that the Gardiner family have seem serious but are really not very relevant to the making of this particular biopic. First, they say that Gardiner was not the meanie he was on film (I'll allow that I didn't find Markinson's portrayal of him very illuminating, shall we say). As evidence, they mention three problems: that the miniseries doesn't mention Gardiner's opposition to the Ku Klux Klan, that he was not involved in the fatal strike portrayed in the film and that he was a friend to the farmers not an enemy.

The first problem here is that the Ku Klux Klan ref is pointless. The film was already overstuffed with scenes and it was about Tommy Douglas (a socialist)'s rise at the expense of the more conservative politicians, *not* Jimmie Gardiner. Where anybody's involvement or opposition to the KKK (a notoriously anti-socialist and alien American organization) became relevant to this political conflict is beyond me. If they want to show Gardiner's opposition to the KKK, they should do their own docudrama. For the record, I was curious about Gardiner's life even while watching the miniseries. It sounds interesting. It just has nothing to do with the Tommy Douglas story aside from his opposition to Douglas.

The second problem isn't even a problem. It's a dispute over a dramatic choice. The writers were very up front about their use of composite characters, like Charlie Lawson (Ian Tracey's character) who represented Saskatchewanian farmers supporting Douglas, to clarify things. If you watch, you can see that they also picked certain major politicians to represent different factions and political sections of the spectrum. Considering the amount of time that Gardiner had in the script, I think it's obvious that he both was used to represent his power base and that the writers clearly thought he was an important politician in history. Practically every other politician who got any lines (except for Nick Campbell's character) was either a PM or a Tommy Douglas supporter.

Personally, I think Campbell would have worked better for portraying a realistic real person *and* composite politician, but I guess they figured he didn't look enough like Gardiner, or something. It's not that Markinson is incapable of charisma, but he came across as a little too "old boys network" cocky to work as a realistic opponent to Douglas. I thought he was too Police Chief Bill, even though he got the accent well.

One could argue that they should have kept the full complexity of 30s-50s provincial politics, but that would have required a 13-part series, at least. Considering that they had such a complex political series (I believe it was called "Da Vinci's City Hall") that CBC cancelled just a month before Tommy Douglas came out, let's just kick that fault grenade right back to CBC, where it belongs. You cannot insist on simplicity because you're going for every Young Urban Moron viewer out there, then complain that the story's too simple. Sorry. Cast the cake in bronze or eat it. You can't have both.

The third problem is also not a problem because it's just plain silly. Of course Jimmie Gardiner was the "farmer's friend". He got elected in a rural province, didn't he? He couldn't have got that moniker, otherwise. But if Douglas had not also appealed to at least some farmers, *he'd* never have become premier of a rural province, either. And nobody would have heard of him, let alone made a miniseries about him. So, it logically follows that Douglas eroded Gardiner's political base among the farmers and Gardiner ended up not quite every farmer's friend.

I also found it realistic that farmers like Charlie Lawson were dabbling in some seriously left-leaning politics in their economic frustration during the Great Depression. It irritates me that we now whitewash that part of 20th century history. Can we please put a stake through McCarthy's dead heart now and move on? I mean, heaven forbid that we talk about a time when significant portions of the population both in Canada and the U.S. were far more radical than pretty much any politically significant group today. Gosh, Ann Coulter might bust our eardrums if we did something like that. And kudos to Ian Tracey, I gotta say, for being so unapologetic in his portrayal of such a person. I couldn't help wondering if he had some radical old goat in his family tree that he was using as a personality model for the character.


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Ah, very good, thanks for the clarification, and also for expanding on what the various problems, real or perceived, were. Now I want to head over to our local library to see if they have it. I thought about watching it back when it was on, but just had too much stuff going on at that point, and of course forgot to tape it.

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You're welcome. It's worth seeing. Part one is better than part two as a story, but part two is the one about the establishment of the health care system. That's the part that gets everybody excited. Overall, it's a very good movie, quite aside from the historical importance of its subject. Really, if it hadn't been so well-done (and therefore, effective in presenting its message), I bet nobody would have complained about the above historical issues.

And the acting is very, very good, with few exceptions.


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