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I THINK I GOT IT!!! ***SPOILER**


okay!

I watched this movie and was confused!! .. I am normally EXCELLENT at understanding a movie..but this one had me thinking for days?!?!...

I FINALLY FIGURED IT OUT!!

Begining of the movie: she is seen under the covers saying "I am going to be fine" ... so BASICALLY!!!...the WHOLE movie until she wakes up AGAIN under the covers and saying "I am going to be fine" is a DREAM!....

now..all of a sudden the phone rings...it is the detective...saying that she was right..her husband IS having an affair...

She hangs up the phone..it rings again...and it is her work..and you can hear the robbery happening on the other end of the phone...

All of a sudden she REALIZES that EVERYTHING she was dreaming about was COMING true!!!! ...

She goes to the hotel..finds her husband..it happens to be her doctor he is screwing around with...

this was the "face" of her doctor in her dreams....remember during her first session..she questioned the young age of the doctor! .. this is REALLY the nanny...

then she is driving with ALL of her kids to McDonald's...and starts to think about how ALL of their lives will be in the future..b/c she just dreamt about them...and she wanted to protect them for all the BAD in the world...
(her oldest getting HIV from the girl)
(her daughter getting sexually abused)
(her youngest son drowning in the pool)

the kidnapping of the girl we see in the beginning and the school bus accident are both awful things that happen to kids.. which put Danika in even more of a protective state torwards her own kids! (these things she KNEW about..and couldn't do ANYTHING to protect the kidnapped girl or the school bus..which means NO MATTER how much you try to protect your kids - they still will not be totally safe) ...

We learn that she has developed this OVERlY protective nature from when she was a child and her brothered died in a crash accident due to her own Mother not protecting him.

so she decides to "protect" her kids from ALL harm..by taking their lives...she DOESN"T think she is going to surive the accident! but she DOES! ...

then the next scene we see her as the homeless person on the bench at the scene of the accident...the husband lives! OBVIOULSY divorces her..and she runs out of money..and goes insane!..All she EVER wanted to do was protect her kids and be the perfect wife....My guess is she oftens sits on the bench at the scene of the accident thinks about that day....

any questions????

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Finally someone who got it , well done!

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Teachers Head:
okay...keep in mind "it is a dream" .. think about your dreams..some crazy stuff happens in your dreams...I think this was a great way the movie kept us guessing that maybe she was going crazy..especially after the fact..and the family is all sitting on the curb...and supporting her...this part steers us into "trying to figure out the twist" ..


Boy Drowning:
Okay, the boy sneaks out of the house, not listening to his parents to NOT go into the pool....Danika can't protect him..because it is the middle of the night..and the boy is "sneaking" ... I think the dog drowning is a warning to Danika that her youngest son is next

Why not Protect them - without destroying them?:
BECAUSE her dreams showed that no matter HOW much she will try to protect them..IT doesn't matter they will STILL be exposed to the many "evils" in the world...and I believe that her anxiety began when her brother died in the crash..when her mother wasn't protecting him.

As for not being able to see her husband's mistress...well we DO see her husband's mistress she talks to Danika .. and we come to find out it is the face of Danika's Doctor in her dreams.

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i think the film did exactly what it was intended to do and that's to make people think, talk, and discuss

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I didn't pay attention at the beginning, so I missed the bed continuity. Thanks for pointing that out.

I disagree with your interpretation. You're giving her an ESP dream in order to preserve continuity. I think it makes more sense to consider the psychosis a flash-forward (pretty much the whole movie) for our benefit (or her trying to remember while sitting at bus stop at the end, trying to discern what was real and what wasn’t). When she wakes up, and goes to the hotel, she isn't remembering or realizing that her dream is coming true: she is just devastated by discovering the affair, and she is probably suicidal (or at least, despondent).

The psychosis happens after the accident. It incorporates elements from multiple sources: The conversation with her boss, the bank robbery she heard on the phone, the newspaper clipping about the girl she had in her shopping cart, melding the nanny with her therapist, etc. It isn't a dream, it's just a construct she builds to try and block out the death of her children...

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I agree with your assessment. It wouldn't really even make sense for her to be dreaming in the context of the movie anyway. Please feel free to check out my other post as well.

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zootie^

(SPOILERS ahead, as the subject title says....)


I agree.

The 'real' life of Danika is when her children are small. She is very protective of her young children and of her entire life -- at least she tries to be until she discovers the affair. While she was trying to hold everything together and protect her children, she didn’t ‘mind’ her marriage and so she was blindsided by the affair. In fact, her husband and his mistress try to blame her 'over-protective' ways for their affair -- da*ned if you do, d*mned if you don't!

The discovery of the affair unhinges her. She then decides to take herself out and her children with her -- in her sick mind, she might think this will ultimately protect them from any future harm and hurt.

But, she survives the accident. Her children don't. Thus, the full-blown psychotic break.

Now she is a bag lady fantasizing / hallucinating what might have happened had she and her husband gotten past the affair and her family had gone on intact – the fantasy takes place years in the future (thus, her children are older).
But, try as she might, she cannot construct the 'perfect' life, even in her fantasies, and her anxieties of harm, etc., continually intrude into her constructed perfect world.

At first blush, one might interpret this as solely stemming from her feelings that she could not protect her family in reality, and so cannot do so even in fantasy. However, I think there is another layer to this -- she may be experiencing conflict in her mind about what could have/should have happened, what she feels she really had control over, and what she wants to think she was ultimately responsible for.

In her fantasy, her children are becoming problem kids. This could be her way of assuaging some guilt, constructing it so that her kids and their behaviors would have gotten bad had they lived, no matter what she would have done. This is a way for her to actually blame THEM for at least a portion of her actions, albeit subconsciously so.

She fights her own delusions while in her fantasy world. She can’t seem to fully trust that she might truly be sick, even in her fantasy. I think this again could be her way of trying to make her insane actions of driving her children to death more rational to her. Was she sick or was she not? Were her actions sane or were they not? I think these are some of the questions that go round and round in Danika's fragmented psyche.

No matter what she tries, even in her own fantasies, she cannot keep her family safe. This illustrates how fatalistic she wants everything to be. If you can’t even have control over your fantasies, how can you have control over real life? Thus, if disaster is fated to happen, there is nothing you could have done to prevent it – this is another way for her to shift responsibility – as if the hand of fate causes everything, including her to drive into the accident. This also allows her to say to herself "See....if I just let things go as everyone wants me to, to stop 'worrying', then look what happens." In her own sick way, she has justified all her former over-protective ways by not preventing the accident.

So, Danika may never face up to the fact that SHE ultimately was the cause of the singlemost, greatest harm that could ever have befallen her children. Thus, she is forever trapped in a limbo world of shadows and psychic conflict, forced to walk the streets in poverty and madness.

I think this is a multi-layered movie that needs to be watched more than once to gain a better appreciation of it. I know that I like it more with each subsequent viewing. It is also interesting when re-watching the movie to notice the more subtle intrusions of bits and pieces of reality into her fantasy -- such as when in her fantasy life she is washing dishes and remarks 'where did these glasses come from?', shortly before she drops one and it breaks -- this is a reference to when she saw the two glasses in the hotel room, one of which she breaks when she busts her hubby and the mistress in the bathroom/shower scene.






"I can't stand a naked light bulb, any more than..a rude remark or a vulgar action" Blanche DuBois

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Denise1234,
That is a BRILLIANT take.
Thank you for sharing and for the fluid way in which you wrote your piece.

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Mina-Mina^

Thank you SO VERY MUCH!!

And, thanks for taking the time to read my post.

I can sometimes be a bit long-winded, but as you might have guessed, I really liked this film :)



Warmest Regards,
denise1234 :)



"I can't stand a naked light bulb, any more than..a rude remark or a vulgar action" Blanche DuBois

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Excellent post, and a wonderful film. I was almost going to abandon it, thinking it was a trashy PSYCH-9-alike. Glad I stayed with it.

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I think the husband died at the motel.

She used a broken glass mirror and cut his throat or something like that.

In the end, I reckon she's the only one alive, and the scene after the car crash, all of them, the 3 kids and husband walked happily with her to potray what was running in her already insane mind at the time.

A really good performace from Marisa Tomei indeed.

That's my take.

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I disagree with you ..

The whole movie is a day dream she's having .. let's me put it in a simple way :

now Danika wake up from bed, feeling bad, saying that she's going to be just fine, the phone is ringing, they told her that she was right, and the husbend is with someone else in a hotel room.

She's totally freaked, take the children and run to that hotel room, find her husbind and the nanny having sex, she kills the husbind and run from the hotel feeling lost and can't think str8.

Now, the accident happen, the three children died .. Now she go crazy, now the illusion starts, and this's the first thing in the movie .. the whole thing we see in the movie till the wake up call she had is her crazy things going throw her mind after she's homless and crazy because of she killing her husbind and her own children.

that's why she scream at her daughter in the movie : Don't you know that when someone's dead you can't bring them back.

she see the nanny as her doctor because the last thing the nanny told her was something about trying to go to doctor and that her children dosen't diserve this ..
and by (This) she mean that there's something wrong with Danika from before the husbind is *beep* on her..

anyway .. I wish I'm clear because I don't think I'm that clear .. but .. I would like to see if anyone agree with me .. :)

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I posted my thoughts on a different thread, but I'll highlight the major points.

See, I walked away from the movie thinking that she had a psychological breakdown after she catches her husband having an affair with her nanny and drives her car intentionally into oncoming traffic. Because her children and husband died while the children were young, she invents her own imagined life out of the bits and pieces that she finds on the street - each thing that she finds interesting or fearful, she incorporates. The story of the missing girl, Lizzie, becomes the basis of her fear focused on her daughter. The news article of the AIDS epidemic becomes the focus for her eldest son.

Aspects from her real life are also incorporated in the fantasy: the glass she drops and shatters in the kitchen is the same from the hotel room. Her husband steps on the glass, so she is afraid of her son stepping on it. Her therapist and her nanny are figures that she confides in and ends up feeling betrayed by when they tell her how to raise her children. Her bank manager calls her the day she drives to the motel, so she adds that image into her psychosis - both conversations are almost identical because it's the same conversation but has been tweaked to fit the context of her imagined life.

FYI: the nanny just says "Your children deserve better." - nothing is said about seeking help. She works the therapist into her fantasy because normal people would go to a therapist if they need to confide personal details and fears.

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Right. I've already posted my major thoughts on this movie as well, but I agree with your primary points here. This was essentially my take on the movie as well.

One point about the nanny/therapist - if you remember from the movie, there is a therapy session in which Danika says that her children's nanny was the one she confided in. So her mind re-creating the nanny as a therapist actually makes sense in this way.

Basically, the whole movie gives you clues about what Danika is making up as fantasy and why. I also believe her husband died in the motel room because in the end of the movie when she is the only one injured, her 3 children (in her imaginations' aged form of them) as well as her husband all walk away from the accident scene unscathed. Yet the audience knows from the medic who says that she is the only one (I'm assuming this means she is the only one that survived) that this could not be the case.

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This may be totally off, but maybe they meant she was the only one in the car. Just a suggestion.

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Well, the medic wouldn't know about her husband being slashed. You're right about the kids being gone, of course. And maybe the fact she sees her husband with them means he's dead as well, but not necessarily.

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I think What happend to the teacher happend to the husband

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Yep, same sort of wound the teacher suffered, might have been inflicted by her to her husband.

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I agree with your assessement!

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what about at the beginning when she hits the "homeless person" and also at the soccer game when she sees the "homeless person." She doesnt know its her. What do you think that means?

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I do not think she became a homeless woman.... I think she was a homeless woman all along, and the events are her hallucinations based on pieces of her real past and stories she has collected and saved from newspapers.
At the beginning, she is sleeping under what appears to be part of a cardboard box. She tells herself she will be OK, and then her hallucinations begin. She created a family for herself, but within that "family hallucination" her own fears are interjected and her psychosis is totally invasive.
At the beginning, Danika is driving a car and hits a homeless person. That person is Danika.

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Damn...this puts yet another spin on this film. LOL

I first thought it was the "dream theory" and that, as a homeless person, she collected those items to remind her of the life she once had...or dreamed of, anyway.

Now, I have another theory to wrap my feeble mind around...thanks, SN! LOL

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I agree with everything you said except for the sleeping under a cardboard box part. I just rewatched the beginning of the movie and you can clearly tell that she's under her sheets.

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i think that the movie was a dream and she imagine in her dream her children in diferent ages and she knows everything thats gonna happen to them so she dream about her husband cheating and it happens she dreams about her daughter getting sexually abused and her son getting aids so she kill them inthe accident just to they dont suffer in a future thats my interpretation

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thankyou, that is an excellent explanation and has helped guide my own interpretation of the film!

I even went back and watched extra close to catch the parts you mentioned that i'd previously missed.

It's funny beacuse i know a family like that. Three boys, mom, dad, lived near a house i grew up in. One of the twins killed himself, eldest o.d.'d and other twin has descended into the abyss. These were respectable, upper class people, and life just attacked them.

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I think WAY too much is being read into this film. I think the correct and most obvious explination is that her husband and children were in an accident and died, something that she couldn't control or change. I think because she wasn't there she begins to hallucinate that her children and husband are alive again, but because she knows that really they are dead bad things keep happening. She is homeless at the end and the order in which it happened could be either after she went completely crazy and started hallucinating or during, in which case she was never back in her old house, but on the streets. Her children were extremely young when they died and she was likely just imagining that they had grown up with her and she's just interpreting what their lives would have been like.

Feel free to disagree, but I thought it was fairly obvious that this was what the movie was all about.

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Several things about this film and its ensuing audience response, as exemplified by the posts on this thread, deserve particular attention.

First, what this movie is about - its thematic content - and the actual events portrayed on the screen - either real or imagined [read: either in a dream state or part of a psychotic hallucination] are actually two distinct domains that unfortuantely have an awkward discontinuity between them. Because of this, the movie suffers since most of the audience right from the start, including myself, is so fixated on figuring out what the reality and fantasy components are in this film and is, therefore, deluded into believing that, by figuring out this seemingly "mystical" component of the film, its real and hopefully powerful [we can only hope its powerful since we spent all of our precious time trying to figure all of the above out] message will be magnificently unveiled. As I mentioned above, unfortunately this distraction causes an uneasiness in how we each individually interpret the films content and, in effect, the film sabotages itself because of this.

To really get to the film's message, I found it neccessary to completely ignore the time element of the film and to avoid trying to figure out what was real and what was imaginary in this flick. Once I did this I realized that the only safe "anchor" of reality that you could really cling to in the film is the ending - no, not the school bus crash but the scene where we see Danika wandering the streets as a homeless person. Once you do this, you realize that it really makes no difference what is real or imagined in Danika's head from this point to the past [or, for that matter, future, since we have no idea of which of these scenes are actually real or imagined by Danika as happening in whatever time frame: past, present, or future]. So I began to analyze individually all of the little "snippets" of scenes in the film and found that the easiest and logically most consistent thematic element one could use to connect these scenes - again either real or imaginary - is trust and its logical "antithesis", the betrayal of that trust. It then became clear to me that the interpretive value of trust in each of the scenes, again either real or imagined, is RELATIVE to the characters that are portrayed in these scenes as played out in Danik's mind - what we see on the screen.

One of the most clear cut examples of this is the scene where Danika relives the tragic car accident which kills her young brother. Now as she relives it on the screen and simultaneously retells this story, she states that [I'm paraphrasing here so bear with me] her mother was susposed to be watching him and ergo it was really her mother's fault that her brother ran out into the street and was struck down. But in that very same scene and in her description of what happened we see the child Danika playing with her brother out on the front lawn - she was just as much a part of those tragic events as was her mother, perhaps even more so since she was directly involved in an activity with him. So why does she distincly put the exclusive blame for what happened on her mother? Couldn't she have interevened in some way to even at the very least yell or shout to alert her mother? For my interpretation, however, everything would have happened so quickly that probably neither she nor her mother could have prevented the accident to her brother. Incidentally, a corollary to this scene is the one - again either real or imaginary, it makes no difference - where she is held up in her boss's office as the bank robbery unfolds outside. We are expecting her to do something heroic here - saving the day, so to speak - but what we see instead is a petrified Danika totally paralyzed in thought to do anything. In essence, I got the feeling here that Danika has difficulty in assigning degrees of trust, even in herself.

From here, to me anyway, it was now easy to see that all of the remaining scenes in the film deal with Danika's tragic flaw in thought at evaluating trust and responsiblity, not only in other people but in herself and in the natural world ("In God We Trust"). The way things are normally supposed to work is that you intrinsically trust the people around you, especially close family members. Her husband, whom she trusts with the fidelty of marriage, has an affair with her nanny, the person that she entrusts with her kids. She trusts the teachers that teach her kids with providing them the right educational milleau and for her kids to be trustworthy and honest with her. But to Danika there is a debilitating interpretive flaw in seemingly all of what she encounters - either real or imagined in her mind. Can she trust her kids and their friends? Can she trust their teachers? Can she trust her husband or mother? Can she trust anybody? And to what normally logical and societally acceptable degree?

Again bear in mind, that perhaps some or even much of what is played out
here might just be figments of her imagination: perhaps she is imagining EVERYTHING that we see on the screen, save for the part showing her as a homeless person wandering the streets. But it really makes no difference here what is real or imagined. Danika is so flawed and paralyzed at making these judgement calls concerning trust that, in the end, she probably doesn't even trust herself all that much: witness the school bus accident where all of her kids are killed - she's the driver and the trust to drive these kids from point A to point B is entirely hers! Whether she lives out these scenes for real or they are just imagined by her, the confrontational experience at assigning trust in these particular instances is so debilitating that in the end all that is left is an empty shell of a human being -living her life as a homeless person. Her hopeless sinking to this eventual state has evolved in this way by a relentless inability to interact with external forces outside of her own mind, which ironically has difficulty in distinguishing a rational level of trust in and of itself.

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Sounds like they just made bad choices.

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nunchaku_nc^

<...These were respectable, upper class people, and life just attacked them.>


Interesting phrase! 'Life just attacked them.' That's very good. I have experienced such a thing and have seen others do so, too, but never thought of it like that.

But, that's JUST HOW it feels.





"I can't stand a naked light bulb, any more than..a rude remark or a vulgar action" Blanche DuBois

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well actually after reading this

I guess I'm going to watch that movie

I read many disappointing posts here about that movie

but this one really encouraged me to see it

I want to watch it just cause I like Marisa Tomei

I like her since her amazing acting in "My Cousin Vinny" and "Only You"

let's hope she did well in this one too

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Well I just have to say that all of you guys's posts make sense. Thanks for interpreting by the way since I didn't completely get this movie. My thought is that there is really no "right" way to interpret this movie. I have to admit though some of the posts made the most sense (in my opinion) such as when Danika received a call from a detective about her husband cheating on her so she quickly grabs her kids and drives to the motel and she sees with her own eyes that her husband is actually having an affair, she cuts him with a broken glass (and most likely kils him), then runs back to the car and her kid asks her if they can go to Mcdonalds. On the way she gets into the accident, and here I think there is 2 possible answers as to why she got into the accident....
1. She was too stressed out and did not notice the red light.
2. She did it on purpose, to "protect" her kids from all the evil that could happen to them in the future.
3. She imagined everything up to end when she is sitting on the bench homeless.

What do you guys think?

Ticks Ticks thousands of ticks, and not one blessed TOCK among them!

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There's a right answer. The screenwriter had something in mind when he wrote the story, etc.

Some of the specific details may be tricky to really determine -- like the accident at the end. Her intent isn't clear, but it may well be suicide.

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Well I just have to say that all of you guys's posts make sense. Thanks for interpreting by the way since I didn't completely get this movie. My thought is that there is really no "right" way to interpret this movie. I have to admit though some of the posts made the most sense (in my opinion) such as when Danika received a call from a detective about her husband cheating on her so she quickly grabs her kids and drives to the motel and she sees with her own eyes that her husband is actually having an affair, she cuts him with a broken glass (and most likely kils him), then runs back to the car and her kid asks her if they can go to Mcdonalds. On the way she gets into the accident, and here I think there is 3 possible answers as to why she got into the accident....
1. She was too stressed out and did not notice the red light.
2. She did it on purpose, to "protect" her kids from all the evil that could happen to them in the future.
3. She imagined everything up to end when she is sitting on the bench homeless.

#2 Makes the most sense to me....

What do you guys think?

Ticks Ticks thousands of ticks, and not one blessed TOCK among them!

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Number two makes the most sense to me also. Please see my other "Danika" posts.

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Here's what I think...

The whole point of the overall story line doesn't become clear until the end of the movie. Once you realize that Danika has always been mentally ill (denoted throughout the movie by her use of medication, seeing a psychiatrist and at one time having been hospitalized/institutionalized) and that the story you've been taken through up until the end is through Danika's eyes - but that the entire life she was living was built upon her imagination and fantasy, delusions, hallucinations and bits and pieces of reality (both past and current events), then the movie makes sense. Lol. Complicated, huh?

To me, I don't think the kids in the vehicle make the story confusing. Essentially, throughout the movie you can tell that something pivotal in the course of the main character's life (Danika) happened that day she was driving her van when her 3 kids were younger. The main reasons that the film focuses on the general age range of the children and keeps flashing back to that scene is both to help the audience distinguish which kid is which (though they are played by different actors at various ages) and to re-emphasize that whatever happened in the van that day was a very impactful and powerful turning point in Danika's life.

The movie even let's you know relatively when that tragic accident occurred - it was on Danika's 35th birthday and it was also the same day her youngest son was graduating about to go to the 3rd grade. What doesn't become clear until the end of the film is that all three of Danika's kids are actually dead and have already been dead for several years before the present point in time when the movie begins. The interesting thing of note here is the fact that the theme of being a good mother and doing more to protect one's children recurs throughout the film. However, the ultimate irony is that in the end, the only "evil influence" Danika's children needed to have been protected from, was her.

Another motherhood theme in the film comes into play with the character that was the children's nanny (Evelyn). Danika says something about how the nanny wouldn't have been as good of a mother as she was. However, Danika's "shrink" throughout the movie turns out to really be the nanny that her husband left/was going to leave Danika for. Thus, Evelyn's character becomes a surrogate mother both for Danika as her confidant (manifested by Danika's mind into a psychiatrist form) as well as the surrogate mother to Danika's children in actual nanny form.

Interestingly, these types of deceits exist throughout the movie as Danika continues to lie to herself in order to cope with her life and the things that she's done (like being responsible for her kids' deaths). There is a scene where Danika is telling her psychiatrist (Evelyn) that after having had an affair, her husband begged for her forgiveness and came back to her. In the end, we find out this was obviously not the case. In fact, Danika injured and possibly killed her husband the day she found out he was cheating on her with the nanny. And most poignant, in the end of the film, we find out Danika ends up alone - lost and wandering around the world as a homeless woman. In this sense, Danika has gone from being simply emotionally and mentally lost, to also being physically lost. Without a place and purpose in the world - since home is where the heart is and she had already destroyed her heart, her entire family("you and the kids are everything" Danika told her husband) all in one day.

Another thing to note too is that all of Danika's children as well as her brother were all killed in automobile accidents. Interestingly, Danika says she never forgave her mother for her brother dying as a child after he ran into the street to retrieve a ball when their mother simply wasn't paying attention. In fact, I think that Danika's "curse" (that she speaks to Evelyn about in a therapy session) is that she keeps forcing herself to live out horrific nightmares in her mind related to her children. In a sense, I think it's her way of punishing herself for being responsible for them dying. However, I actually think she ran the red light on purpose that ended up causing the accident they died in to spare them from the type of pain she felt from her husband's betrayal. It was as though in that moment she decided they'd be better off dead than suffering the trials and tribulations of life.

Anyway, this is just my suuuuuuuuuuuuuper long take on the movie. Lol. Just read the first paragraph for general synopsis. :-)

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However, I actually think she ran the red light on purpose that ended up causing the accident they died in to spare them from the type of pain she felt from her husband's betrayal. It was as though in that moment she decided they'd be better off dead than suffering the trials and tribulations of life.
I see a different reason for Danika inducing the car crash. At that point she didn't know of her husband lived, and even if she didn't kill him it was easy to assume that they would take away the children from her. So in the end she'd lost everything she lived for and just wouldn't let that happen...

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Possible, but I prefer Cecend's interpretation. Hard to imagine the character being that shallow.

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Excellent post.

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