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Amateurish and sluggish


Does anyone agree that this film is horribly overated? I cant belive it won best foreign film Oscar and others. Essentially the films o.k, its a great story with an on par performance from Presley Chweneyagae, while the soundtrack is probably the best thing about it. But my gosh it feels like it was filmed by students, the editing is sluggish, which creates an aggrivating pace to the entire film. The camera work is boaring, in parts its cheasy, the direction is tame, and the majority of the dialaogue is stale, e.g ''he went out to work one day... and never came back'', come on guys this is childs play. I think the post-production team may have let the side down a little, the sound recordist has just failed in my opinion, notice the dogs bark, broken glass, gun shots, foot steps, all recorded at strange levels. As i mentioned before the film is cut to an 'epic' pace - yet few of the performaces are able to hold the extended time on screen. Obvioulsy many will disagree, but if you watch again look out for these issues i've mentioned. I just wanna say i dont have a huge problem with the film, i even kind of enjoyed it, my problem is with the fact that a film which is technically floored, should not win oscars.

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I disagree with everything you say.

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fair enough, could you be more constructive? i watched it again, yep, the acting is definately sketchy.

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I dont know about this movie and i'd like to know it would appeal to young teenagers or more mature audiences.

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Well, as a "young teenager" or maybe more of a..mid teenager (15), I'll tell you.

As a whole piece of work, I loved this film. I thought it was really touching. But I did notice some of the points that the original poster brought up. Especially the sound editing, which at times was quite distracting. Some of the acting wasn't great. Terry Pheto's scene where she was baby-talking to 'David' was especially cringeworthy.

I don't know about the directing though, I thought it was ok. And the scenery pretty much spoke for itself, I found.

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This film is a masterpiece and fully deserves its oscar. Chweneyagae's performance is especially great.

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I'm going to have to agree with you. I NEVER rag on movies, but it must have been a slow year in the foreign films department.

I agree the music was the best thing going for this movie. It grabbed my attention at the beginning and made me think, "wow, this guy's a badass, listen to the music he walks down the street to!" but the rest of the movie gradually became more and more disappointing.

The actor playing Totsi was pretty good but he alone couldnt save this movie.

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I AGREE

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I didn't pay too much attention to the sound effects and sound editing, but I thought the video editing was very nicely done and very professionaly done. Good lighting and good athmosphere :)

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Undeed pretty overrated,man.The sound is very good ,also the quality of pelicula but something is missing for this to be e very good film...In some moments it seems incomprehensible and amateurish...Almost inequal...Could be a masterpiece but it isn't.

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I totally disagree with this poster...I thought the movie was well made and the acting was excellent.

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There's no doubt that parts of this movie are exceedingly amateurish. For instance, there's a scene where Tsotsi returns to his room with the "baby" in the bag and Boston lying on his bed. Tsotsi flops the baby onto the couch like a rag doll, which it clearly is, and starts talking with Boston. A cunning and more experienced director would have taken the baby out of shot, but in this case the baby is always there, unmoving, and the viewer's attention gets focussed on whether the child is ever going to move, to the detriment of everything else that is going on.

Still, I found the final scenes quite moving. Many of us have had rough upbringings of physical, sexual and mental abuse, but we don't go out ruining other people's lives, putting them in wheel-chairs and the like. So there's a tendency to blatantly condemn those who do. Tsotsi's upbringing is barely hinted at, but the pain and remorse so evident in his final scenes is quite inspiring. It made me think again before readily condemning those whose actions are, in themselves, so deplorable.

In that respect, it was quite a profound film.

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A doll was never used instead of a baby during this film. The baby was just sleeping...

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The "viewer" worked on the film and is therefore qualified to make the statement.

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Qualified or not, it was patently, blatantly obvious that the object retrieved from the paper bag and tossed onto the couch, where it remained utterly, completely motionless, was not a living, breathing baby. Even sleeping babies move constantly, as this little one did in every other scene in which he appeared.

Why deny it, when Blind Willie McTell could spot the obvious? This isn't to denigrate the use of dolls or CGI or anything else when making a film. The point is that it was amateurish (the theme of this thread) to leave the "baby" in shot while the main dialogue and action occurred elsewhere in the room. For me at least, it was distracting. Instead of focussing my attention on the scene, my eyes were riveted on that couch and the supposed child thereon, waiting for the slightest sign of any movement. Which, of course, didn't occur.

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"Does anyone agree that this film is horribly overated? I cant belive it won best foreign film Oscar and others. Essentially the films o.k, its a great story with an on par performance from Presley Chweneyagae, while the soundtrack is probably the best thing about it. But my gosh it feels like it was filmed by students, the editing is sluggish, which creates an aggrivating pace to the entire film. The camera work is boaring, in parts its cheasy, the direction is tame, and the majority of the dialaogue is stale, e.g ''he went out to work one day... and never came back'', come on guys this is childs play. I think the post-production team may have let the side down a little, the sound recordist has just failed in my opinion, notice the dogs bark, broken glass, gun shots, foot steps, all recorded at strange levels. As i mentioned before the film is cut to an 'epic' pace - yet few of the performaces are able to hold the extended time on screen. Obvioulsy many will disagree, but if you watch again look out for these issues i've mentioned. I just wanna say i dont have a huge problem with the film, i even kind of enjoyed it, my problem is with the fact that a film which is technically floored, should not win oscars."
As other posters have mentioned the technical ‘flaws’ are probably in some way a reflection of the funds Think about it –there’s really nothing too expensive in relation to filmmaking. They use real locations. A car crashes but there’s very little damage done to it in reality (later a light is smashed – quite easy to fix). There’s a bit of makeup in terms of fake blood and bruising – but not much. There’s no Hollywood A-list actors. Nothing in the film implies expensive. And yet that seems ideal to me. There’s nothing fancy to distract the eye. The seemingly imperfect production quality mirrors in some way the very gritty, tough life of the main characters involved. Admittedly they could’ve taken that sort of amateurish feel to the film to another level by using more handheld shots to give a wilder feel to the film. But it didn’t really strike me as poorly shot – it seemed to follow naturally if very simply (not particularly innovative, though it’s getting harder to be original) but it served its purpose.
As for the dialogue, it may seem stilted and poorly written, but I think that it was a deliberate decision. The characters involved, in general, are poorly educated (as mentioned more than once) – many don’t even know what the word ‘decency’ means. To have complicated sentences or philosophical words come out of their mouths would seem a little out of place.

"As i mentioned before the film is cut to an 'epic' pace - yet few of the performances are able to hold the extended time on screen."
I agree with you on the ‘epic’ aspect. It tried to be epic but it didn’t actually have an epic length. It felt longer than it was because certain aspects were stretched out (will he ever cop on and give back that baby?). It seemed like the filmmakers were trying to make that standard 90 minutes for it to qualify as ‘feature-length’. It’s true that it could’ve been a bit longer. But time and money were probably against them. All the key elements were in the film in a nutshell. I for one couldn’t say that the main character was underdeveloped – I’ve films twice as long where character development and some explanation for their actions isn’t tackled as well as it is in this film.

“…my problem is with the fact that a film which is technically floored, should not win oscars.”
I’ve come across many IMDb posters complaining about Oscar wins. People forget that the Oscars are fused with a certain type of politics. The most deserved one doesn’t always win – after all, the votes are cast by people and their opinions are subjective and often biased. In fact, in the case of a foreign language film, sometimes the ‘best’ one isn’t even put forward for nomination. In the case of Tsotsi was probably the safest option – the other nominations included an Italian film about a troubled woman (not political enough), a WWII film about a temporary cease fire (there are so many WWII films), a film about a couple of Palestinian suicide bombers (suicide bombing = probably too sensitive an issue for America) and another WWII film (again, why vote for another film set during the holocaust?). Some of my favourite films never received a single Oscar, and some films that I didn’t enjoy one bit were showered with them. They’re nice to have, I’m sure, but they’re not the be all and end all of filmmaking.

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I think you need to over look these problems... its made in South Africa... its not some completely "perfect" movie that Hollywood can make. They dont have the funds for that. I noticed some of the problems but that didnt bother me a bit. You have to look past them, most Americans are so used to Hollywood films that they get distracted by these little things. Definately deserved the Ocsar! Best foreign film of the year by far!


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I think you need to over look these problems... its made in South Africa... its not some completely "perfect" movie that Hollywood can make. They dont have the funds for that. I noticed some of the problems but that didnt bother me a bit. You have to look past them, most Americans are so used to Hollywood films that they get distracted by these little things. Definately deserved the Ocsar! Best foreign film of the year by far!


^^ Exactly, and for the people who are saying that the dialog is not perfect, i think your wrong. Being from South Africa i can tell you, that is damn close to how they speak. With all the different languages, things get messed up. Im glad the director kept that ghetto dialog to it, because if they were to start speaking perfect english, it wud just be gay and wudnt be a good representation of South Africa.

Good Movie.

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Completely agree with Kortex 16, the dialogue had to be that way coz that's basically how they speak! It would've been boring had it been in English and Highly unreal. All in all I tho't this movie was absolutely fabulous, I would definitely watch it again. As for the technical side, I was too busy concentrating on the story to bother with light angles. Definitely deserved an Oscar.

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It really feels good/refreshing watching a movie that didn't come from good ol' US of A for once. It was a nice change of pace. I didn't find it too distracting all the technical flaws that the original poster has mentioned, I was right into it to notice any flaws. Besides, it was made in South Africa with limited budget, so we can't expect too much, except for its great story-telling.

Only one complain though which I just have to mention. The movie just ended too quickly for my liking, just wish that the people behind the movie could have fleshed out more of the characters of the other actors were playing(as I would love to know their individual backgrounds) besides Tsotsi himself; ala City of God, maybe?

nuff said

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So, to cut to the chase, you're telling us you like amateurish and sluggish then?

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I like the Point you raise there,If you Watch it from a South African Perspective the Dialogue does not sound poor...

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I think if you have been in South Africa some of your complaints would be answered. I lived there for several years and after the movie was over I felt like I was back in good ole South Africa for the 90 or so minutes.


People really do have husbands go "out to work one day and never come back." Either they run away because they are sick of working 16 hours a day to support their family and barely get by or they are dead in a field somewhere. The families never know what happened?!?!?!


I personally loved the camera work. They seemed to keep it at eye level as much as possible. I think the purpose was there was so much unspoken acting you had to read the actors eyes and facial expressions to know what was going on. Tsotsi didnt even talk until about 20 minutes into the movie.


I did notice a lack of sound recording.

All in all I found this film to be very true to life in South Africa and thought it to be very authentic.

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Disagree. I can see your points post-production wise, but, although no technical expert, I found them no bother at all.

As far as the film went, I thought it was one of the best constructed films I have seen for a while. I was particularly pleased to see a film that made no concession to the audience's intelligence (or lack of it). So many questions raised, but left unanswered for us to consider what significance, if any, they have. Consider the subtle handling of the HIV/AIDS issue, Tsotsi's inability to deal with women, the avoidance of an over-dramatic conclusion.

The acting performance of Presley was superb, never outwardly giving himself away until the final reel, but showing through the (I thought very astutely held) long takes the depth of feeling and conflict under the surface.

I'm not surprised by the comment that it felt like South Africa. I have a brief experience of Zimbabwe a while back, and I felt the authenticity of the underlying social tensions; police and blacks, black middle class and black working class, education and lack of it, etc.

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Hi there!!

How long were you in Zimbabwe for? I am Zimbabwean, and now live in Canada. Just rented this yesterday and was completed moved by this movie and definetly able to relate to the social tensions displayed in this movie. A gem of a movie!!

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Two months, back in 1990. So sad what is happening now.

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