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Intriguing film , however i was wondering what posters thought karl was referring to when he mentioned how he wanted to get past what had happened between him and mark in the past ?

Mark seemed unconcerned , but judging by the loving look karl gave him in the diner , the way the photographer allows marks wedding ring to dissolve away in the hot springs , the massage and the displeasure his wife showed at mark going away with karl its hard not to come to the view that karl harboured more than platonic feelings for mark .

The closing scenes seemed also to hint at marks hesitation at going back to the confines of his married life after his time in the woods , and karl aimlessly wandering the streets restless in his freedom .

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IMO Kurt and Mark had simply grown apart over time and Kurt was desperate to reconnect. There was a gulf between them filled with things unsaid. Kurt was making the effort to try and address the situation but Mark didn't want to face it. In truth there probably wasn't much of a relationship left to save. They had just become too different.
And yes, I sensed that Kurt's feelings for Mark were more than platonic but again these feelings were not mutual.

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Kurt wasn't talking about an event he wanted to get past. He was talking about the awkwardness that had developed between them. I think Mark used to be much more open and wild, like Kurt. Back then, they probably talked about everything. Now, Mark is married, has a house, and it's probably not easy for them to talk much about their present lives. They just can't relate like they did. Kurt was visualizing something was there between them that he wanted to get around. But if he'd been in a clearer mind, he probably wouldn't have known it was simply that they had changed so much.

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I think you are right. Sometimes relationships just can't be revived, even if both people want to, simply bc some people refuse to grow up! Kurt is a pot head; all he thinks about is getting high, and Mark is trying to grow up and be responsible! He is nice enough to not bring the whole subject up about how his friend is throwing his life away. And he is sensible enough to realize his friend is beyond his ability to "help" and can't get involved because he and his wife live a traditional life and Kurt's problems could destroy what they are working hard to achieve. It is very hard to "make it" in American society and the sooner young people realize this the better chance they have. Drugs, even pot are so destructive. Even the last scene he was looking for a drug dealer. Great cinematography; loved the riding along road trip scenes and the beautiful big woods and the birds!

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Wow you really are projecting a lot onto this story.

Mark is tense about the life that he leads and especially about the child that he is going to have. He used to lead the same life as Kurt as now he is trying to lead a different life. That doesn't mean that his new life is going to be the best life or that he hated his old life.

Kurt is a person who does not want a wife, or children, or a job. He wants to wander.

At the end of the movie Mark returns to the stress of his "traditional" life and Kurt returns to his wandering. Mark feels as conflicted about settling down as Kurt does about trying to find a new experience.

The story does not pass judgment on the lives of the characters. They are both as happy (or unhappy) as any person will ever be.

"Growing up" is not as straightforward as you want it to be.

P.S. At the end of the movie Kurt isn't "looking for a drug dealer." He obviously has enough money to share with a street person, and enough connections to walk up to a house and buy a bag of weed at the door. He has no particular place to go and no particular person to be.

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Nah, Starryz is right. Kurt is a loser, he wishes he were settled down with Mark, who is generally happy, and doesn't want him.

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I think Kurt deep down is envious of Mark's settled life, rather than wishing to be with Mark, but is aware enough not to display any hostility towards Mark. The end of the movie sums up Kurt's disaffection with his life: he is wandering the street with no place to be.

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I think they each are envious of each others lives. Mark feels trapped in a relationship he can't get out of. Kurt is unable to grow as a person. Neither are happy. The last two scenes: Mark's weariness of walking back into his new domesticated life is juxtaposed by Kurt inability to find comfort in own home (don't forget Kurt is introduced walking in off the street).

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jesus christ, you are so obtuse

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