Why is this movie called The Host?
I've watched it and read through everything and I still don't understand the title.
shareI've watched it and read through everything and I still don't understand the title.
shareThe Han River is "the host" upon which the monster feeds. The Han River has national importance in South Korea, it is one reason Seoul became the capital of the country. In the film it becomes polluted and spawns "the creature". Even today the Korean government is working on beautifying the Han River area.
For those who see an anti-American component to the film the title could also mean that South Korea is a "host" that the American military feeds upon. It keeps an American presence in this part of Asia which many South Koreans are not happy about.
""I worked it out that "The Host" was a red herring. They want you as well as the characters to believe there is a virus. I do believe there's some political messages there too like a previous poster said"
^^That !
anyway, great film.
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The monster is the host of a deadly virus. It's stated pretty clearly.
shareBut there is no virus. So the title has a deeper meaning.
The actual title in Korean is Monster. But I think The Host is a far more intriguing title and can have different ramifications depending on your outlook.
Well that's revealed much later in the film, and is catchier than "The Monster That People Were Told is a Host". If you want to look for double meanings the film is commentary on South Korea "hosting" US forces.
shareknowing people with such a shallow mind, such as yours, make me very depressed. =(
shareBecause it hosts a retarded plot.
shareWhat's so retarded about a story where people throw chemicals in a river and it causes the abnormal growth or mutation of a sea creature? It's within the realm of possibility, actually. Perhaps not as dramatic as the creature in the movie but some abberation could take place in nature due to pollution.
shareYou are aware that in real life animals don't react like in comic books. Toxic chemicals usually kill or maim, and when mutations occur they're not beneficial. Having said that, my problem wasn't the creature, it was the people, all of them, and all the retarded decisions they made to move the plot (eg. we can't find a virus, it must be in his brain). You either stick to slapstick comedy or a serious tone, not both.
All this kills suspension of disbelief which leads to observations like no creature on Earth can shrug off a shotgun blast to the face at close range (among others).
I think the creature in this movie is not exactly beneficial to mankind, devouring humans and throwing up their bones is not exactly benign, so "when mutations occur they're not beneficial" falls into the very category of this film The Host. Don't watch any fiction monster movie if you want a constant stream of realism. Watch National Geographic documentaries instead.
I've decided to watch this after someone on the Troll Hunter (which I liked a lot) board said this is the best monster film, so I wasn't looking for realism. I also wasn't looking for characters acting all dramatic in one scene and like total clowns and nonsensical (read anime clichés) in the next. Consistency can do wonderful things for entertainment.
shareIt can also be as dull as watching paint dry.
share"You either stick to slapstick comedy or a serious tone, not both."
^ Uh, since when it become verboten to dip into more than one genre? Some of the best films of all time use combined genres. Comedy and drama/horror work great together, for what it's worth—the peanut butter and chocolate of film!
Dark comedy yes, slapstick no.
shareCharlie Chaplin did it regularly (combine slapstick comedy with pathos) and it worked quite well for him. He became a multi-millionaire.
shareMust have missed the one where one minute he's hitting people over the head with planks and the next family members a gruesomely killed. But humour me with a specific example from his career and I'll get back once I've watched it.
shareWhy should I do your homework for you? Get some Charlie Chaplins (and some Busters and Harold Lloyds) and watch some films.
The principle you object to remains: filmmakers have been combining slapstick with pathos for 100 years. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean others don't.
Why troll on this board anyway? If you didn't like the film that's fine but what a waste of time to keep harping on it. People with superiority complexes like you are tiresome. Go to boards for films you like and discuss them rationally. You're not exactly original in your posts here and you risk putting people to sleep. lol!
The Charlie Chaplin I've seen does not contain what you mention, it's either simply slapstick or dark comedy with drama.
Well, if film makers have been combining the two successfully, then surely you can give some examples. My evidence to the contrary is gwoemul, you refute my point, so the burden of truth is on you.
So negative comments is trolling now is it? Well excuse me for having an opinion, didn't know that sort of thing is frowned upon and I don't have any superiority complex. Is rationally discussing films one doesn't like forbidden? Aren't people allowed to have similar opinions, besides not all of my points are mentioned somewhere else. As for putting people to sleep, who are you referring to? Do you know how other people that read this board feel, or are you talking about "the people" in your head? Someone bring a drill, we've just found the virus.
Oh shut up. You're entitled to your opinion but stating the same garbage over and over again IS tiresome and a waste of time. Go on about your business, troll.
I would strongly urge people here not to "feed this troll". He's just a jerk. Doesn't like the movie, no biggie. Yawn.
Nice to see you backing slapstick/ethos with evidence.
shareI think it's 'pathos' rather than 'ethos' and combining comedy with pathos is quite an established technique - it's been used to great effect in things like 'The Office' (the British version more than the U.S version) as well as shows like 'The Trip' as well.
I find the argument about realism a bit flawed as well as this is obviously a fantasy film, if you prefer realistic films about polluted water why not watch 'Erin Brokovitch' or something?
Luc2k chill out, you must be a whole bunch of laughs at a dinner party. Sometimes to make satire you need to roll it in peanut butter. Guess you missed that part of the movie. Stick to the serious dramas perhaps.
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I am actually, thank you for recognizing my talent. And sometimes it falls flat and flies start buzzing. I'll not limit myself to any particular genre just because there's some rotten fruit in there.
shareHe did a slapstick film about Hitler.
shareUnless you watch it with dubs. :/
shareUh, since when it become verboten to dip into more than one genre?
Obviously, you missed a key point: THERE WAS NO VIRUS!!!!! Obviously, what looked to be some sort of virus, was not a virus. The American doctor in this scene explains that no trace of any virus was found in the American sergeant that died, nor in any of the people who came into contact with the creature. He was correct in saying the "virus" was all in Park Gang-Du's head. He strongly believed he had a virus, so he may show false symptoms to this "virus." That's basic Psychology.
shareYes, I've obviously missed something clearly stated in the film.
/sarcasm
The only "virus" was in the minds of the scientists. Let me break this down for you so you won't interpret it as something else. The insanely off-the-wall scientists believed there was a virus in spite of evidence, or lack thereof and decide to drill a hole in the head of a mentally disabled person, which cures him of said disability nonetheless. That's basically how science works, right?
That is an actual procedure that is still performed to his day. Some cultures believe some ailments (mostly psychological disorders, but it can be other types of ailments) can be cured by drilling a hole in a person's skull. It's called Trephination (or trepanation, I guess it can be spelled multiple ways).
shareThe only reason they drilled the hole was to get a tissue sample from the brain. I don't think you can cure mental disability by making a hole in the skull and taking a tissue sample (I'm no doctor, but that sounds ridiculous to me).
shareIt may not be practical, but it's still a medical procedure that's performed to this day. Obviously, surgeons in the will most likely not use this procedure (mostly to avoid malpractice suits), but surgeons in other countries do use this procedure.
shareSure, it's still a medical procedure, and usually as one would move further away from civilisation more dubious uses could be found. However, what bothered me was not the actual procedure or that it was used, it was the reason behind it considering the evidence. And as the country is a civilised one, and the doctors were supposed to be educated, they should have drawn the obvious conclusion that there is no virus.
shareThey drill holes in skulls today to relieve dangerous pressure on the brain from let's say a tumor... or an accident wich caused fluid buildup in the skull. The old 'lobotomy' isn't used anymore in modern psychiatry. Thank god.
ps I liked the mix of fantasy, drama & comedy here.
"Don't feed the trolls." ;)
shareSays the guy who can't backup his point.
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First of all, I'm not a guy. Most women are smarter than guys.
Second of all, my original point was succinct and right on target. Filmmakers have been combining slapstick and pathos since the early years of film.
You want an example? Watch Buster Keaton's 1922 dark film The Frozen North, where Keaton plays an amoral cowbody who robs a saloon, kills an innocent couple, and attempts to rape his neighbor's wife, all in the name of comedy.
Quote: First of all, I'm not a guy. Most women are smarter than guys.
And of course you have evidence for this also?
Of course. We live longer than men. :)
shareThis movie wasa better than I thought. I really had a good time. I'm not bothered by the mixture of tragedy and slapstick. The goofy scenes didn't flow as well into the tragic scenes. But it didn't bother me enough to not like the movie. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't but I was never bored.
There are many examples of comedy/slapstick/dark violence/pathos moments in movies. There are too numerous to name each and every one, but the directors that are known for this with sometimes mixed results are David Lynch(Blue Velvet), The Coen Brothers(Fargo), and even Martin Scorcese(Goodfellas). With those directors, some scenes in their movies were just as sad or evil as they were funny. Sometimes something funny or goofy happens, then the next scene has something poignant or very dark.
The silliness paired with the darkness isn't simply just the action, but the ideas behind it so that makes it more subjective in terms of defining it. How much the viewer cares about the characters makes a difference.
As far as the title, I figured The Host was the implication that it was the idea of infection whether it was the people that had contact with the monster, the monster itself, or the polutted water. It was like a red herring that has the audience wondering what the host was until they discovered that there was no host at all.
Your examples for comedy/tragedy mixtures are good, but I don't think they're really equivalent to what was going on in The Host. For one, they're all relatively down-to-earth in their subject matter. Sure, weird *beep* happens, but it's mostly stuff within the realm of possibility: murder, extortion, etc. An unusual/unexpected tone shift is easier to accept in a story that otherwise makes sense to us. But in a genre flick with a giant monster, the audience needs some barometer of how to react to such a bizarre situation. It can be scary (Alien), exciting (King Kong), funny (Ghostbusters), realistic (Cloverfield), or fun (The Water Horse). Obviously there are a mix of emotions in all these, but there does tend to be a dominant tone that gives us a sense of how we should feel. The Host swings wildly between two extremes, so it's difficult to get a handle on. The comedy felt intrusive and the drama felt undermined, especially when the dramatic scenes often contained sad-trombone moments of dopey failure, like the dad forgetting he was out of bullets, or the brother dropping the molotov cocktail. Maybe this is a cultural thing, and Korean audiences found that dissonance easier to reconcile, but I didn't think it was handled very gracefully or appealingly.
Another thing about those examples, the comedic tone permeates pretty much the whole of the films. There are parts of Fargo that are horrifying and sad, and others that are silly, but the film always treats them in the same way. The Coens are famous for the wry wit with which they handle dark events, and it never seems out-of-place or inconsistent. Furthermore, the acting styles are pretty stable throughout. Margie never seems alternately clownish and melodramatic, she's just the same character reacting to different situations. Same goes for Goodfellas. The whole movie takes an askance look at the absurdity of these gangsters' behavior. It doesn't seem we're ever meant to identify fully with their feelings. The Host is more like 3/4 Godfather, 1/4 Analyze This. Meanwhile, Blue Velvet makes a clear point of its tonal shifts. The quirky light-heartedness of naive suburbia is undermined by the horrific criminal underbelly. And most of the memorable comedy moments involve Frank being an lunatic, so while we can laugh at them in retrospect, they function primarily to underline the threat of his unpredictability.
Anyway, my point being that while humor and darkness can be blended effectively, that did not seem to be the case in The Host. Obviously, this is a subjective judgment, and if the tonal shifts didn't bother you then God bless. I still think it's a pretty good movie, I just couldn't get fully into it because of this issue.
I think one thing people haven't really mentioned in this discussion is that this movie is Asian, while these other examples of genre-bending films are Western films. I am not at all claiming to be an expert in Eastern cultures, and I am definitely not an expert on Korean culture, but it's something to be considered.
From my experiences with Korean films, it seems to be a culture that has adopted a lot of Western traits (by force or by choice). It seems to me that in URBAN areas in South Korea, many of the social problems mirror those faced by Western "first-world" countries. Also, as seen in the popularity of double-eyelid surgery, some Koreans desperately want to emulate Western people, and will go so far as to alter their appearance with numerous surgeries to do so. This is not the main point I'm trying to make, but I do think that a lot of the social commentary in this film is not just about the influence of American politics (and military) but also the influx of American values and the move towards "modernization" over traditional values.
Anyway, the point I am trying to make is that I interpreted the somewhat awkward insertion of comedy as the director's attempt to bring something new to Korean film, something much more common in Western film. I may be incorrect, and I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I have seen very few Asian films that could really be considered "genre-bending." Most Asian films I've seen, and especially Korean films, are very tragic and dark and emotional. They may feature a few scenes that some viewers may find comedic (whether the filmmaker intended this or not) but overall, a film tends to stick to the tone that you expect from it. (some possible exceptions include Battle Royale, which has it's comedic scenes)
I found the comedic additions to be slightly bizarre as well, but it actually made me enjoy this film more. I already was expecting a lot of camp as it was a monster movie, and I thought the director was utilizing the "campiness" that was expected in a way that was unexpected. It was disjointed and just weird at sometimes, but I found it slightly relieving to watch a Korean film which didn't make me cry throughout the entire film (as most do). Obviously I don't know if this is true, but maybe the director intentionally made the comedy awkward as some sort of social statement about the West? As I said, I'm not an expert on Korean culture or language, so thats just a possible explanation. My other explanation is just that Asian filmmakers don't have the experience in combining comedy and horror. I don't really think I could name any Korean film that really has black humor in it (though if somebody could tell me of some I would appreciate it) and from MY understanding (which obviously is very limited) I don't think there is much of a history of darker comedy. It seems to me to be more of a development of the West, who have a lot of creative freedom when it comes to satire.
What kind of serious *beep* malfunction do you got boy?
shareDon't know, what kind do you have woman?
share\I'm not the one barking their mouth like a fool with something to prove.
shareDon't dodge the question.
shareYou dodged first.
shareI said I don't know while you ignored it completely while imagining me barking. That looks serious to me and I'm no doctor.
shareYou're the kind of person who could get knocked in the face by someone much stronger, or more skilled at fighting than themselves and beaten to within an inch of your life. And then when that person pulls your battered husk up to their face to ask you something like 'so what now you *insert expletive here*?' You respond with 'go f yourself'. Your dogmatic ego problem will get you in serious trouble one day. And no I'm not threatening you, I could personally care less what you have to say, your opinions are less than worthless. Search 'Charlie Murphy I want more' on youtube - that person he talks about. You.
shareI guess you consider yourself stronger and more skilled since you attack me rather than what I said about the film. That's how the internet works, right?
shareYou do realize you are referring to the physics of a river creature in a monster movie right? That in and of itself makes no sense.
shareI'm sorry, but the comedy wasn't slapstick but dark. At least that's what I understood.
Reference from commentary (http://filmschoolrejects.com/features/34-things-we-learned-from-the-ho st-commentary-track.php):
"Rayns brings up Bong’s artistic personality in using black comedy as previously seen in Barking Dogs Never Bite and Memories of Murder as well as in The Host. Bong Joon-ho notes without the black comedy element he can’t do anything. “That kind of element helps the art emotions like sadness and suspense and tension, because there will be a contrast from the humor,” replies the director."
"All this kills suspension of disbelief which leads to observations like no creature on Earth can shrug off a shotgun blast to the face at close range"
You know, except for large land animals...and large aquatic animals...
Are you aware this is a foreign film, made in Korea? Koreans have a much different sense than we do about film genres - comedy, drama, horror, etc., and what is entertaining than we do in the U.S.. Have you ever watched Asian game shows? Quite different to what the U.S. produces.
shareNo, I was not aware of this. I thought it was a comedy filmed in Cuba, with Cuban actors. I'm not from the U.S. by the way, and that brand of humour is not my favourite either.
While I haven't watched any Asian game shows outside of the odd YouTube video, I've seen plenty of Asian films, which I've enjoyed a great deal (e.g. Memories of Murder from the same director).
holy sh$# you seem like an ignorant backwoods redneck, or are you being satirical????
shareI was in the audience at the presentation of The Host at the Toronto International Film Festival. Afterwards there was a Q & A session with the creator/director. From what I remember,he claimed his inspiration was the Loch Ness Monster and thought the Han River needed a monster too. According to him the title in Korean was simply The Han River Monster,or The Monster of Han River.He had no idea why the english title was changed to The Host. He didn't know what was meant by it either.
shareA host is simply something that accommodates another thing.
A server holding data, a person keeping guests or a creature infected with a parasite.
The movie leads you to believe that the monster and the main character have a deadly virus. So they are both a "host". "The Han River Monster" isn't a fitting title for a western market. That is the likely reason for the name change.
I worked it out that "The Host" was a red herring. They want you as well as the characters to believe there is a virus. I do believe there's some political messages there too like a previous poster said. The Americans are shown to be the bad guys a lot in this movie. The American doctor at the beginning, the American government using dangerous chemicals and the doctor who reveals there is no virus. Although I doubt this is the reason for it being called The Host because it isn't the Korean title.
I loved this film for it's misplaced comedy, it provided some light relief after some drama or violence. You see it done in many films. Craven is famous for his use of comedy in horror/slasher movies, why should a monster movie be different? Remember, Korea is a totally different culture with different ideas of comedy. Grind house has been mixing comedy with gore for a long long time and it is what it is most loved for.
I've had a look through this thread and no one seems to have touched on the fact that this film is called Gwoemul - which literally translates as "Monster", "The Host" is just some BS English/American marketing title.
That's it. =)
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