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Do you have recommendations for similar movies?


I like very much this descriptive approach to a character in recent us cinema
Could anyone recommend similar movies?
Thank you very much!

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Similar subject matter or a piece with a similar type of main character? I'm a little confused about what you are looking for.

Generally, I think if you like the tone and feel of this film you will also like:

Taxi Driver
Requiem for a Dream
The Basketball Diaries
Candy
City of God
Mulholland Drive
21 Grams



This shark, swallow you whole.

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You're right, I'm sorry I wasn't very clear...

I was thinking about an approach where the main character is presented in different situations in order to show several angles of his conflict/psychological moment, and does not necessarily evolve through a program of action or self-narration. Instead, we just watch somobody deal with his ordinary (but difficult) life, so there usually are little action, no great deeds, not a big evolution through time, no rush, not a complex plot... but a great insight into a specific character...

Candy is not a bad example. Other ones could be
Fingers (and even more, The Beat That My Heart Skipped)
Lars and the Real Girl
Friends with Money
Into the Wild
The Station Agent
Things We Lost in the Fire
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I appreciate very much your suggesions though! I've seen most of those movies, and it looks like you could read my mind pretty well in spite of my being so sparing with words! I'll check the rest of them. Thank you!

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If you liked the situation of a young man teaching in a tough neighbourhood, you really need to see "Entre les Murs" a french film.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1068646/

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I've seen the movie, and liked it a lot!
Thank you very much for your recommendation, though

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My pleasure. Oh and I saw you mentioned "Into the Wild". That was by Sean Penn, I beleive. That was awful I mean that in a good way. That was a very powerful film.
So you don't mean a (watch it cliché coming up) transformation of a character, or (hold it) evolution of a person. Same person, different situation?
You mentioned US cinema, otherwise I could recommend two other french titles: Betty Bleu (poetic) and Il y a longtemps que je t'aime.

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Thank you very much for your comments, I'm indeed interested in a quite wider spectrum than us cinema!

If I mentioned us cinema, it's because oriental and european cinema already have a tradition in describing a character in a pretty "static" way (I'm using the psychological/litterary approach you've mentioned).
But I recently found us cinema, in spite of its long tradition into character transformation through action (which I also find very interesting, provided the the relationship action/transformation is not a shallow one), has also got into this other approach. To use your phrasing, which IS very useful because we all understand it, I find quite interesting what american directors make of same person/different situations/SAME TIME (or short period of time). (Sorry for all the pretentious blabla.)

I've seen Il y a longtemps que je t'aime, but I didn't include it in the examples because I wasn't sure many people would know about it; it was really good! I wish this director was more productive...
Betty Bleu? Was the french title 37.2 le matin, made in the late 80s, from a very successful book at the time?

If you found Into the Wild powerful, and you like to read, I would also highly recommend the book.
And if you're into french movies, I can recommend De battre mon coeur s'est arrêté (The Beat that my Heart Skipped), as well as Le temps qui reste (Time to Leave).

Thanks again!

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No nnmko you are not pretentious at all, you seem to be a very keen an smart viewer. I'm just sorry my language skills are not that good (I'm from Holland) and my analyzing abilities are not that clear as yours. You describe the styles very well and now I understand things a little better. (The reason I go to this IMDb-Forum)

Unfortunately Polygram company doesn't exist no longer - I saw a documentary about it. They were in the end a strong European movie-company producing interesting films for wider audiences next to experimental and arthouse films. (occasional hits like "Four Wedings and a Funeral" allowed financing other projects and caught Hollywood's attention; Jodie Foster went there to make Nell for example after failing to raise her project in Hollywood). You know, films that would fit well in Robert Redfords Sundance Festival.
But when the new Philps director didn't want to invest any longer and when they wanted to compete in the US and also moved there, they soon failed and went bankrupt.
I'm just interested in good movies and not at all in business and production, but the documentary ended in suggesting that the ten years or so Polygram was active (and got acclaim in Cannes film festival) may have changed (still dominant) Hollywood to shift a little and also take on interesting (non-commercial) projects.

I enjoyed the new vague of mosaic-like storytelling form like in Amores Perros, 21 Grams and Babel, Crash and Traffic. I picked up "The Dead Girl" and it uses that frame also (I'm not sure if I could recommend that one because it uses murder and cime as main element next to ppl and situations and not the transformation or psychological approach). But those projects use the opposite of what you asked for: one situation, different ppl (and not one person, different situations). They both show what effect situations have on ppl.

I like the fact that you mentioned books. I never understand actors/directors telling that stage has that fourth wall or glass wall or so (we all agree we let you make beleive us and you allow us to pretend or so) and cinema hasn't. I seem always to be watching a script develop (and decide I want to go with it or not) I mean. Good writing, great idea and solid acting - a drama that makes some sense. You might like "The World According To Garp" by Irving I think the writer is called. That is a joy to read with stories within stories and parallel lives. A movie was made with Robin Williams and Glen Close and I thought it was good as well. I can recommend that one (although it is a story over a long period of time).

Some actresses in scenes of films with depth and solid drama are just iconic to me. Glen Close at the end in "Les Liasons Dangereuses" expressing defeat and shame in a close-up, Kirsten Scott Thomas throughout Il y a longtemps and Naomi Watts (also in 21 grams) in David Lynch' "Mulholland Drive" the audition scene and later in an extatic psychotic moment. Very hard to watch and I'm not sure if I could recommend those titles cos it deals with emotional abuse.

One I can recommend (although also with murder and crime) is with Ryan Gosling (he seems to be in a lot of interesting projects) who was also in Half Nelson is "The United States of Leland". His character sort of loses it and then finds himself in different situations (like you're interested in). He was in "Stay" too revealing the fantasy-state he is in or psychotic mindset he has since having to need to escape psychologically after a tragic incident he was in. So in a way that doesn't count as an A to your Q in OP because like in "The Usual Suspects" he just makes up a story and which is not the actual situation. In both films they pretend to be someone else.
Not very happy films (death, dark) so I end with a touching one: "Snow Cake": a mentally challenged woman who needs her situations to be the same at all times now having to deal with the fact that her daughter is dead. The short time that there is, Alan Rickman helps Sigourney Weaver with that. Maybe choose this one and Garp over the other titles.

In the (as you put it) "long tradition of character transformation through action (which I also find very interesting, provided that the relationship action/transformation is not a shallow one)", please allow me to plug my favorite director Sidney Lumet and "The Verdict"? It has rythm and balance and Paul Newman and close-ups only where it matters. Having an addiction AND having a conscience (like in Half Nelson).

Yes that is correct: "Betty Blue" is "37°2 le matin" from 1986. Something goes wrong in sexy Beatrice Dalle's head (becomes another person gradually in situations) and her boyfriend Jean-Hugues Anglade stays with her. Also french and nostalgia for me is "Le Grand Bleu" (1988, Luc Besson) with Rosanna Arquette. Very poetic and strange: her boyfriend prefers to stay under water with the dolphins over connecting with her. How weird a situation is that? Romantic tragedy dramas, maybe not what you meant, because in both cases the perception of situation (reality) changes for one person and over a longer period of time.

So LOL it turned out to be quite a challenge finding matches to your "riddle": same person/different situations/SAME TIME (or short period of time). Maybe Snow Cake comes close, but... the situation is only set in and around her house. So you don't mean transformation/evolution/adjustment (different faces) but one person/one face/one mindset in different situations. I'll add your two french titles to my DVD-collection and I will let you know if ever I find a better match in my collection!

Cheers.

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Thank you for your comments, I will take good note of your recommendations!

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"If you liked the situation of a young man teaching in a tough neighbourhood, you really need to see "Entre les Murs" a french film.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1068646/ "


In a similar vein, To Sir With Love stars Sidney Poitier as a young idealistic black teacher trying to civilize and motivate some poor tough white kids in a British setting. From the 60's but still holds up.

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Nice picks. I'd have matched all of these to this movie too.

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The Savages, snow cake(although someone already recommended this)

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I've seen The Savages, it fits quite well;
It was DaVooz who also recommended Snow Cake; but I haven't had the opportunity to see it yet...
Thanks!

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Candy (2006)with heath Ledger

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Thanks, I've seen it, and I agree.

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Watch the movie George Washington. Half Nelson is much better though.

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I will, thank you!

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Sure.

I had the movie and gave it away. Watching this trailer makes me want to buy another copy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-AKmmnVtWU

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In the commentary track the filmmakers mentioned Hal Ashby and Robert Altman as big influences so I would check out some 70s stuff from them. You can really see it in the camera movements and the way they allow the actors to improv. There was one scene that they mentioned they thought was one of the best in the film where a cat wandered onto location. It was a classic Altman moment; accidental genius.

The recent movie I thought this most resembled was 'High Art', not because of the drug use but because it is an observational character study of a young adult from a well-to-do background with seemingly everything to offer the world but struggling to find there way. I thought both films were excellent.

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That's surprising (to me) and interesting! Have you watched any Altman's or Ashby's movies where you definitely thought that was so?

As for HA, I began watching it a couple of years ago, but felt it was more like a series of statements on sexuality, drugs, etc. than anything else, and found that very annoying because IMO these scenes didn't really clarify much about the characters... Did you have a similar impression at all at the beginning? I could give it a second try, though.

At any rate, thanks for the tips!

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nnmko

I may of gone off on a tangent as the Altman/Ashby references were just in regard to the look and visual style of the movie and not the character study aspects discussed up-thread. That said, and I think you understand that, pretty much every Altman movie I've seen has those kinds of shots and scenes. A lot of handheld, observational, on location, a lot of movement, many times loose, improv, etc. One that is also a character study is 'The Long Goodbye' and it would be the one I would choose as most like 'Half Nelson' but honestly I didn't like it that much. I have not seen an Ashby movie in probably 20 years so better not speak on those.

Regarding 'High Art', no I liked it from the start but I know what you are saying and it got even better on repeated viewings. Both films can be seen in different ways. Are they about the students or the teachers? It is a testament to the quality of the writing and acting in both.

Another recent film I like a lot along the lines of nothing happens to a character/different situation/same time(you know what most people call BORING) as discussed up-thread is 'Winter Passing'. Yeah LOL, it must be hard to get these things made in the USA.

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No no, that's what I thought you meant about Altman & Ashby. But with the information you brought up in mind, I think it might be interesting plunging back into their movies again...

I will give HA another try, hopefully it will get better for me too!

I believe I understand what you're saying about the two perspectives (teacher/student), although I think the resolution the movie offers (and one of the reasons why I find it so good and so so agreeable to) lies precisely in overcoming these two perspectives into another one that would be their relationship (and therefore, the "well-being of a relashionship" as THE reason to take action in one's life). Just plain beautiful.

Well, I'm myself quite surprised, because I'm getting the impression that a sort of a trend in this direction has started in the US? I'm really wondering why, how... So hopefully this kind of movie won't be so scarse...
Meanwhile, thank you so much for recommending another BORING one!

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I hope you are right about that trend. I would love to see more movies like these and thanks to all for the rec's in this thread. I have several to check out. I saw 'Sugar'(the recent film by this couple) last night and can only give it a so-so recommendation. It is more a quasi-documentary.

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Keane
Nobody's Fool
Fearless (The one from 1993 with Jeff Bridges)
Fireflies in the garden
The Woodsman
Sling Blade

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I watched Fearless recently and thought it was surprisingly into this approach for being an early 90s movie;
Sling Blade also fits well (perhaps due mostly to Thornton's peculiar cinematography?);
I remember The Woodsman being in part a pathological character description and social issue movie, in part a semi-scary one...
I didn't care very much for Nobody's Fool (maybe I didn't watch it with this perspective in mind?)
Will look into Keane and Fireflies. Thank you!

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According to the site All Movie Guide:

Similar Works:

Our Song (2000, Jim McKay)
On the Outs (2004, Michael Skolnik, Lori Silverbush)
Girls Town (1996, Jim McKay)
Freedom Writers (2007, Richard LaGravenese)
Angel Rodriguez (2005, Jim McKay)
Akeelah and the Bee (2006, Doug Atchison)
Detention (1998, Darryl Le Mont Wharton)

Other Related Works
Is a version of: Gowanus, Brooklyn (2003, Ryan Fleck)


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Thank you, plenty of info here!

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Hi. I saw The woodsman on your recommendation and really liked it. Gonna check out sling blade in a few days. Thanks a lot :)

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My Life Without Me
Lars and the Real Girl
You Can Count on Me
The Savages
Friends with Money

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Try 'Sugar', the other film by Ryan Fleck and Anna Boden.
Other good character pieces:
Lost in Translation
Central Station (Central do Brasil)
There Will Be Blood
Good Will Hunting

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you've probably already seen it,


but lost in translation fits the bill.

punch drunk love also

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Henry Poole is Here

-Chinese Pride-

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Been away for some time.
Thank you flgirl-1, I've seen them all and totally agree with you!

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Try "Dev-D" which is one of the best alternative films made in India last decade.

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Thanks, will check it out

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