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How can you say they got what was coming to them?
Being forced to sit in an open cell, not allowed stand up, not allowed to speak, not allowed to pray, live with your own *beep* in a bucket a few centimetres from your head, how can any of this be something that young men deserve?
With the social unrest and fear state that the US Government are trying to create I think we need to be vigilant that certain religions/skins colours don't become a national scapegoat.
Whatever the reasons for being involved in a national revolution, surely Prisoners of War deserve humane traetment especially when guilt or innocence has not been established?
And I speak as a person who has family stationed in both Iraq and Afganistan and as someone who has Muslim friends who are being persecuted every time they take a flight.
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aileenew...I'll repeat this as I have done numerous times.What treatment would Allied troops get if captured by the Taliban?And remember the Tipton 3 were caught fighting for the Taliban!Remember...If you play soccer in the rain you tend to get muddy.
shareLol, tullock's a fool. They weren't caught fighting for the taliban, but they were caught with them. Does that make them guilty? No. Just incredibly unlucky.
share"In 2007 two members of the Tipton Three - Ruhal Ahmed and Shafiq Rasul - agreed to participate in the Channel 4 documentary Lie Lab in an attempt to prove their innocence of allegations made by the US Government. The technology used on the show was developed by Professor Sean Spence from the University of Sheffield. It uses Functional magnetic resonance imaging to look at the activity in the pre frontal cortex to determine the truthfulness of statements[14]. Having previously claimed that he had entered Afghanistan for the purposes of carrying out charity work, Ruhal Ahmed admitted on the programme that he had visited an Islamist training camp, where he handled weapons and learned how to use an AK47. Rasul refused to go through with the test.[15]"
14 ^ http://www.channel4.com/science/microsites/L/lie_lab/detection_1.html
15 ^ http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/story/0,,2094030,00.html
"aileenew...I'll repeat this as I have done numerous times.What treatment would Allied troops get if captured by the Taliban?And remember the Tipton 3 were caught fighting for the Taliban!Remember...If you play soccer in the rain you tend to get muddy."
How can you possibly say that? Yes what treatment would allied troops get? They would much likely get tortured and killed, so we do the same? Life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth? Well then, so it's appropriate to kill my neighbours' son if I think he might have killed mine? So it's alright to rape his wife if he raped mine? We can justify any act of injustice by pointing out an act of injustice committed by others? Yes, that makes sense, seeing how well Isreal and Palestine are doing with this kind of dilemma it's certainly the way to go for the rest of the world!
Can't you see how narrow-minded that is? Can't people understand that democracy and liberalism can't be fought for by violating their own rules? It's beyond me, honestly! Please, I'm waiting for an answer! So if we start torturing people, how can we be sure, we won't leave the way of democracy for good? Maybe there are a kids in Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. whose only hatred against the USA grew by the observation of Marines torturing his father and a cruise missile killing his mother and his siblings - wouldn't he have the right to torture and kill people following your logic? Following my logic he couldn't start his personal revenge nonetheless, following yours he could - because he was innocent, experiencing injustice treatment against his family... tooth for tooth?
But how does it solve any problems fighting dirty? Maybe if you want to play football in the rain you should watch out to wear shoes with cleats, because otherwise you might slip, fall down and get dirty all over.
Gum would be perfection.
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I ask again:
WHAT TORTURE?
Not a single one was beheaded, or beaten into unconsciousness. The living conditions, while sparse were a dozen times cleaner than the cesspools they were living in prior to capture.
If torture means discomfort, waiting in line at the bank is torture. Do I cry to the UN everytime I have to go to the bank. I think not.
These folks were in the middle of a war-torn country, taken prisoner whilst in the company of combatants,
Hell yes they got what they deserved.
Refusal to believe does not negate the truth.
First, beheading is not torture, it's a form of execution - you die, I am sure they would want to keep the prisoners alive or at least half alive.
Comparing torture gone through by these people with standing in line at a bank is idiotic. I am sure these guys would rather be "tortured" by standing in line than where they were.
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Quote: "First, beheading is not torture, it's a form of execution - you die, I am sure they would want to keep the prisoners alive or at least half alive."
Thank you so much for making that distinction. I'm certain that the beheaded ones felt no mental anguish or discomfort as their heads were SLOWLY sawed off their bodies. And if they wanted to keep them even half alive, as you say, maybe they shouldn't saw the heads off.
You spout lines like this and you call my comparison idiotic?
I ask again:
WHAT TORTURE DID THE U.S. DO THAT EVEN COMPARES TO THIS?
I think DayDream Angel is an appropriate screen name, because you obviously don't live in the real world.
Refusal to believe does not negate the truth.
"maybe they shouldn't saw the heads off."
Yeah, maybe they shouldn't. You are the one who wrote that beheading was torture, so you are either contradicting yourself or you forgot what you wrote, either way, that is idiotic in itself.
"WHAT TORTURE DID THE U.S. DO THAT EVEN COMPARES TO THIS?"
Maybe it doesn't compare, but that doesn't justify any of it.
That's right sunshine, beheading IS torture.
But it's ok because it isn't Americans doing it, isn't it?
Achmed gets his turban folded wrong, and the U.S. is evil.
These animals shoot at troops from BEHIND their women and children, and they're just misunderstood.
Abdullah kills and mutilates a 19 year old U.S. soldier, and he's "justified".
U.S. soldiers get sent to prison for putting a paper bag over Mohammeds head.
So as long as you're not U.S., anything goes; do I understand you correctly?
And how am I contradicting myself?
You people on the left are so muddled you don't know which end is up, do you?
Go back to daydreaming.
Refusal to believe does not negate the truth.
You ARE full of yourself, aren't you?
"But it's ok because it isn't Americans doing it, isn't it?"
No, it is not. Neither is taking the moral high-ground of spreading peace, democracy and ridding the world of evil dictators while using methods of torture to achieve your goals. Doesn't this get through to you?
agreed, people standing in line at a bank have the option of leaving and comming back another day when it isn't crowded. these guys didn't have that option.
yes, getting chained to the floor and forced to defecate and urinate where you're squatting while death metal is playing for hours on end is definitely inhumane.
first off i think america comparing itself to the taliban is a bad move. yes the taliban is quite barbaric with their treatment of prisinors, however why should america feel the need to follow in their footsteps, or even come anywhere close?
i think the main point is that they were detained for 2 years and they were exactly charged with anything, just constant torture and interogations. they werent allowed a lawyer, etc.
if no one is going to follow the geneva convention what is the point of having it? as a pleasant illusion? thats just sad i think.
"Re: POLL .Did the tipton 3 get what they deserved?"
lol! You are a troll, but a funny one! Hey-now!
They should have all been executed.
"Let's just kill everyone and let your god sort them out." - Marilyn Manson
In all seriousness, it was a (surprisingly) really, really good movie. I loved it.
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Absolutely
Though it was a shame, but why kids would decide to head off to a war zone or continue taking buses while bombing was getting heavier and closer is another story. blame it on youth I suppose, but I doubt they would do that again.
They got into a situation that was over their heads and ultimately lost all control of their fate.
I would imagine them speaking British were a curiosity to the interrogators who were already operating with a lot of baggage and fear also.
Interesting little docu-film, not particularly memorable though at least to me.
All for a bigger slice of nan bread wasn't it? silly bastards.
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What kind of a question is that?! Of course NO!
Two wrongs don't make one right, you know. The more the methods of Americans and their allies resemble those of the Taleban, the more hollow any critique will sound.
Firstly these guys shouldnt have been locked up they should have been shot dead.
The UK is paying the price for their colonial ways.
This is just wrong, they should still be there.
I hope they learned their lesson.
USA forever.
I can't believe people are actually saying yes, what did they actually do wrong?!
shareAnyone thinking it's ok to treat people like that, clearly have very little intelligence.
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