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It surprises me every time..

posted 17 years ago by insideoutsider7
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I can´t for the life of me understand how the whole world KNOWS this places exists, we KNOW why people get sent there. There´s only one person there, an australian, who is actually theres with a conviction, the other 300 persons there aren´t charegd yet. Bush wants to control what and how much a prisoner can talk to their attorney now. But we don´t (can´t?) do anything about it because it´s america who´s behind it.

I know about the war on terror and all of that.. but since when did it become okay to put someone who MIGHT be a criminal in jail? And to think *america*, the country who focuses so much on FREEDOM, is behind all of this? It´s almost amazing what the world has come to.

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[–] insideoutsider7 17 years ago

The fact that a mistake like the one shown in this movie can be made, just proves that the way america is going about the whole "War on Terror" is flawed. Majorly. And the rest of the world is just sitting idly by.

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[–] robobeatnik 17 years ago

The OP makes several valid points. Prisons like Guantanamo are one of the biggest threats to freedom the world currently faces.

If like Dick Cheney says, the prisoners at Guantanamo are treated humanely and Guatanamo is a law abiding, humane detention centre for "serious" criminals, then why does the United States need to have such a prison located beyond US borders, on foreign soil? Why hide if everything they are doing is so clean and on the level?

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[–] robobeatnik 17 years ago

Wow. That made no sense.

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[–] damon_x 17 years ago

Are all American right-wingers this STUPID?

[–] morpheus1976 17 years ago

"We're in a war against terrorism and therefore the people in GITMO are POWs."
this is the dumbest *beep* I ever heard!

How about I start a war on stupidity and start putting people behind bars as POWs. I'll start with you and George W.!

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[–] robobeatnik 17 years ago

It's not American soil. It's Cuban. End of argument.

Instead of yelling at the "liberal" democrats, how about we just yell at the entire *beep* American government? Do you prefer that? It's not a right wing or left wing issue. It's a human rights issue. If your political ideology doesn't allow you to see that, then I personally would rethink any such ideology that supports terror, torture and destruction of other living beings.

Start being a *beep* human being.

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[–] robobeatnik 17 years ago

Oh, so they MUST be guilty, even though to date NONE of the prisoners in Guantanamo have ever had a charge against them stick.

Everything the government does is correct, right?

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[–] robobeatnik 17 years ago

You're giving the government far more credit than it deserves.

An attitude like that makes it easy for me to understand why the US is in the present state that it's in.

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[–] robobeatnik 17 years ago

i would like to know what utopia you hail from.

I currently live in Japan, though I'm not Japanese. It wouldn't make any difference to tell you where I'm from. I don't feel any more loyal to my home country than any other. Patriotism is for saps. Try looking beyond it and maybe you'll start to see things as they truly are.

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[–] morpheus1976 17 years ago

so what is the battlefield in the war on terror? earth?

what about "innocent until proven guilty"? You can't lock someone up until you find something that sticks to them....

lastly torture, death etc. since when is that an acceptable practice in the US, since you claim GITMO is US soil?

This is all bull!

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[–] robobeatnik 17 years ago

you cant equate american law with international terror....unless they live and attacked the states...and then it wouldnt be called international terror, it would be domestic terror, and wouldnt apply here. good enough for ya?

This makes no sense at all. What are you trying to say? It's completely incoherent.

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[–] robobeatnik 17 years ago

Maybe you should lean how to write.

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[–] j-miguel-goncalves 17 years ago

jeeezuz!! I've been away from imdb a long time, but this became really a nasty place, hate-speech-a-plenty..., mainly from "that" American "gang"! damn!
What saves the day is that I believe some of you that speak like a human beeing, with social awareness, and sense of urbanity must be Americans... so I hope...

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[–] robobeatnik 17 years ago

Wow. I feel sorry for you.

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[–] ash24m 17 years ago

"insideoutsider7, people like you need to make your minds up....do they have pow status? or dont they? because if they do, we can hold them until the war is over....."

When the war on Terror is over? when the hell that going to be. That's like saying we are not going to release a suspected drug dealer until the war on drugs is over.

[–] jnatch 17 years ago

First of all galilleo he isnt crying anymore than you are crying. Dont resort to schoolyard talk to make your point. Well you can if you want. Anyway, until the war on terror ends you say? Think about that. Terror cannot end, just like evil cannot end, or corruption cannot end. Its a word, not a country or an army for christ's sakes. The War on Terror, as you people like to cite, can go on for thousands of years. Phrases like that are manipulative propaganda for those easier to manipulate. Conside yourself reeled in.

[–] anzeb1 17 years ago

Well, even Al Quaida MUST have a reason to do terror.. no one is so damn stupid to kill himself and others without reason.
and wouldnt be nice, if we started to worry about other things, not just terrorism? My thinking is, if we (mainly the US) stays out of others problems, there would be less terrorism...
well have you heard, that the 1st time in history, there lives more people in cities than in the country? I dont wanna live in a world, covered with skyscrapers and machine monsters...
We will destory Earth, WE! with wars, with glo. warming, with cities. Think about it, think about it for further generations.
Peace
S0ulForgeD

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[–] robobeatnik 17 years ago

"The war on terrorism is a *beep* joke. You can not win a war on terrorism. It's like having a war on jealousy. You ain't gonna win it man."

- David Cross

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5tldEQg6is

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[–] robobeatnik 17 years ago

Oh I'm sorry, this is what victory looks like? Oh okay. Well then, I guess my face is red. Awesome job!

I can't travel through the South of Thailand without fear for my life because Muslim extremist rage is worse than ever. Can I finally take that trip to the Middle East I've always wanted to take? Real safe there, is it?

It seems to me that if you can't hold the peace and have turned a country upside down into a perpetually miserable war zone that you haven't accomplished ANYTHING positive.

The ONLY thing the US has managed to do is kill Saddam Hussein. Woopty-frickin'-doo. Unfortunately for you, the world is more dangerous than it's ever been.

If this is victory, then I think defeat would have been better.

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[–] robobeatnik 17 years ago

Uh yeah, hence the entire content of my post.

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[–] robobeatnik 17 years ago

Sure. So could you maybe explain to me how it is exactly that you've come to the conclusion that the US has won the war in Iraq? I'm dying to hear that.

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[–] robobeatnik 17 years ago

YOUR COUNTRY IS AT WAR YOU *beep* MORON.

IT IS NOT FINISHED AND YOU HAVE NOT WON *beep* ALL.

GET IT???

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[–] robobeatnik 17 years ago

There never was a war. How's that? The United States illegally attacked another nation and subsequently occupied it. So that being said, your point is pretty much moot.

And if you want to continue with this utterly ridiculous attempt at denying reality, let me ask you this - are American soldiers dying daily in Iraq? Are Iraqi civilians and soldiers dying daily? It wasn't a war to begin with, but now it certainly is. Do you understand what peace is? Do soldiers and civilians die when there is peace?

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[–] robobeatnik 17 years ago

Yes. I do say that every major nation that either agreed and/or is there right now lies. I believe I've already told you that I live in Japan. Yes, Japan went to Iraq too. Do I support their decision? No. Do I think they are liars? Yes. Who started it? The USA. Is it a war? Yes. Who said you're either with us or against us? The USA.

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[–] procletnic 17 years ago

Silent Civilian - Divided Lyrics

I'm not the one you'll deceive/choose what I want to perceive
You lack the will and control/ your church is destined to fall
Force those to bow and accept/ imposing fear to repent
Divide a nation of one/ ignore the damage you've done

Free minds destroyed, they kneel
Trapped in the lies, you sell

In the name of fascism, you steal
Seperating what is one, wont heal
In the name of your deceit, you sell
You condemn those who think free, to hell

Prey on the hearts of the week/give them something to believe
Undo their liberal state/ revoke the right to debate
Your lies of deliverance/ scare tactics gain their consent
Abortion of the free mind/ create the sheep get in line

Free minds destroyed, they kneel
Trapped in the lies, you sell

In the name of fascism, you steal
Seperating what is one, wont heal
In the name of your deceit, you sell
You condemn those who think free, to hell

Please believe within you, resist oppression
Lies and greed before you, passive aggression
Guilt, they'll feed, and scorn you, for liberation

In the name of fascism, you steal
Seperating what is one, wont heal
In the name of your deceit, you sell
You condemn those who think free, to hell

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[–] robobeatnik 17 years ago

My islamic fans? What the hell is that supposed to mean? First of all, do you have a problem with Islam? I'm no Muslim - in fact I don't believe in any god be it Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Hindu or whatever - but I'm still educated enough to know that the Muslims who are doing the killing are extremist fundamentalists, no different than the Christian extremist fundamentalist that firebomb abortion clinics or picket dead American soldier's funerals with placards reading "God Hates Fags". If you are attemtping to suggest that "Islamists" are somehow any more wrong or evil than any other organized religion, then you've already got the burden of being a bigot working against you in this argument.

I don't see any Westerners or Israelis fighting in Lebanon or Turkey as of now?

What the hell do you see?

If you ask me, it's not much. Just Muslims killing Muslims?

Are you retarded? Do really not think that Americans and British and Canadians and all other allied powers are dying daily? Have you even heard of a place called Africa? Do you think that the people who are dying in the south of Thailand are Muslims? They're Buddhists and foreigners, you goof. Do you generally believe that as an American you're welcomed and liked around the world? I know it's not a problem for you because I highly doubt you've ever even left America, but I can assure you that ever since this war started, there are many, many, many places on this earth that I would strongly advise Americans or Canadians against visiting. Is that the sort of thing that makes you think the world is a safer place? I'd really like to know what you think is so safe about the world. Because I'm actually OUT in the world, and I can tell you that it's not the place you seem to think it is.

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[–] robobeatnik 17 years ago

Oh yes, and Galilleo - no one is arguing that Muslim extremists are doing some killing. Just as Anglo Saxon Christians are. What I am saying is that this anger and animosity stems from this ridiculous war and occupation of Iraq. That is, fuel is regularly added to the fire. Do you think the reaction to what the US is doing in Iraq and has been doing for decades to Muslim people will get better or worse with the USA occupation of Iraq?

Just answer that - better or worse?

And why haven't you travelled since 911? What's keeping you from travelling? According to you, the war is over. The US saved the day. So what's there to be afraid of?

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[–] robobeatnik 17 years ago

Considering Osama Bin Laden had well known ties to the Taliban, I don't think it was necessarily a bad thing. What I do think was a bad thing was the US arming and training the men who later went on to form the Taliban. That's right, they TRAINED THEM and ARMED THEM during the Afghani/Russian war. So don't sit back and try to make people look like hypocrites for saying that the ridding of the Taliban was a good thing. The fact of the matter is that the Taliban never should have been there in the first place.

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[–] robobeatnik 17 years ago

So you support arming, funding and training the Taliban? Don't talk to me about *beep* imperialism, the United States is thee imperalist power and has been for centuries. By the way, I'm not a communist. Communism is just another state run, capitalist monopoly of the people and the resources. I am an Anarchist.

Now let me guess, your next comback will be "Well then, Mr Anarchist, what would anarchists have done in the face of brutal interventions around the world?"

Right? So just go ahead and say it and I'll go ahead and answer it.

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[–] robobeatnik 17 years ago

More imperialist than the Russians? Hell yes. While you're taking a look at what the Russians - whom I might add, never claimed to be a democractic nation or the grand purveyor's of "freedom" that the US always has - what about taking a look at what the US did to the Guatemalans...to the Nicaraguans...to the Vietnamese...to the Cambodians...to the Laotians...to the Chileans...to the Fillipinos...to the Iraqis...to the Haitians...to the Hondurans...on and on and on ad nauseam.

By the way, Carter's National Security Advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski claims that the CIA backed and trained numerous "agents" along with the aid of several other nations in order to entice Russia into a war. The idea being that once Russia was locked into battle, they would spend countless amounts of money attempting to succeed and ultimately bankrupt the nation. According to Bezezinski, the US government got involved in this in mid 1979. Russia invaded Afghanistan in December 1979.

It's Mojahedin, not Mujihadeen and I'm sorry but your defense to this argument is that MOST of them did not become the Taliban? Meanwhile you completely ignore the fact that the US blatantly funded and trained over 100,000 soldiers in order to overthrow the Afghani government, well into the 80's, I might add. What government might I ask, came after the war? Taliban, really? And you have the gall to say that the US had nothing to do with that? Or no - I'm sorry, you said that most of those guys that the US funded weren't the bad ones. So I guess it's only a few of them and really what difference does a few make, right? As long as the lives that are being lost aren't American then everything is justifiable, right? Or did you forget who bombed the WTC?

Did I support the Soviet intervention? NO. Did I support the US drawing them into an unecessary war? NO. Did I support the US funding and training radical Islamists who would later turn around and attack innocent American people? NO.

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[–] robobeatnik 17 years ago

*beep* You have no *beep* idea what freedom is. Freedom for the Iraqi people? Wouldn't that mean the absence of coercion or imperialist authority on their every day lives?

1. The Iraqis DO NOT currently live in freedom.

2. The United States can't bring freedom to anyone because they themselves are not free.

3. In war as in revolution, it's no great secret that your means have to be in accordance with your aims. War, violence, terror and destruction will not create a free society. It is impossible.

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[–] robobeatnik 17 years ago

no *beep* hence the reason we are still fighting.....your insight is uncanny. wow.

Hmmm...that statement seems to be slightly at odds with your previous assurance that the war was in fact, over. Don't you think? Or did you forget?

everyone likes to make fun of bush's "mission accomplished" on the carrier video, but they dont take the meaning....it meant major comabat was over because we won.....

What utopia I hail from? I don't live in any utopia, nor did I ever claim to. I think I've told you about five times now that I live in Japan. Japan is probably the most uber capitalist country on the planet. That doesn't mean I agree with it. Besides, we're not talking about where I'm from, we're talking about the USA - where you happen to be from. The problem with people like yourself is that you run around ranting and raving about the United States being the greatest country in the world, this amazing bastion of freedom and equality and yet you seem completely oblivious to the notion that that is simply your OPINION. It is not FACT and when you shoot your mouth off about things that the majority of people in the world would disagree with, i.e.: the US winning the war, the US being right about starting the war, the US being pretty much perfect in all its endeavours, you fail to realize that people are going to disagree with you and they are going to make you justify those beliefs that you so readily cling to. If you want to live in the best country in the world, than be ready to defend your reasons for believing that it is so. Don't get pissed at people who disagree with what you take as gospel. Open your mind up a little and the world will become a different place.

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[–] robobeatnik 17 years ago

It's all just black and white for you, isn't it? If you don't support this then you are this, if you don't like this country then you must like this one. God, what a simple way to think. I guess it makes life that much easier to be like that. When you eliminate any real thought to your everyday process, things become really simple as little more than black and white formulas. Unfortunately, the real world doesn't work like that.

"that statement seems to be slightly at odds with your previous assurance that the war was in fact, over."

if you're an idiot, yeah.....well i guess that DOES cover you, so maybe i should let you go back read what i really typed....

So why don't you enlighten me then on what exactly it is that I am missing in your oh so intellectual posts.

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[–] robobeatnik 17 years ago

Translation: "I've lost the argument and have realized I'm in way over my head so I'll pretend like I'm too smart and knowledgeable for this."

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[–] robobeatnik 17 years ago

What the hell are you talking about?? Seriously, you don't make any sense. If you really want to have any sort of significant discourse on a given topic, you need to make clear and concise arguments. You have utterly failed to do that thus far. What you have given me for an argument, I have refuted. You argued that the US wasn't at war. I think that anyone with even a tenuous grasp on current affairs can prove you wrong on that count. I really don't know what more you have to say. It isn't - as you've implied - to do with some sort of ignorance on my part, but rather a lack of effective or even slightly coherent argument on yours. If you feel that I've missed the point in your single line ramblings, then please, reiterate said point because I'm sure I'm not the only one reading this who is curious about what it is exactly that you're attempting to prove.

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[–] robobeatnik 17 years ago

You have not defeated Iraq. What don't you get about that?

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[–] robobeatnik 17 years ago

Take a holiday to Iraq and tell me how great a place it is right now. Saddam is dead - *beep* off with that already. Was that really a challenge for the US to go into Iraq and kill Saddam? Jesus, they could have done that years ago - they SHOULD have done that years ago rather than giving him money and weapons. You are utterly brainwashed if you think that Iraq is doing good and that things are progressing there. I didn't say you lost the war, I just said that you ARE at war and that you aren't winning. No one is winning.

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[–] iss_antha 17 years ago

After reading the 7 pages on this thread I've definitely realised that Robo, you're making some sense and that Galileo is one stupid, blind, incoherent, retarted who's got no idea on what's happening. He reminds me of that stupid hassle whore blond Bimbo on the View.

Robo, man, just give up on this Galiwatever. It's like arguing with a dog that doesn't understand the human language. He'll never get it and he's clearly in the minority because now, most Americans have finally come to realise that ''war'' in Iraq was just a lame excuse from a dumb president to invade a nation that never attacked USA in the first place.

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[–] estzain 17 years ago

galileo's fox news diatribe did indeed genuflect to Robo's rational clear argument. No wonder galileo never goes out of the country...

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[–] flylice319 17 years ago

agree 1000% with iss antha

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[–] jnatch 17 years ago

He is not "crying", he is stating his opinion as you are. The war on terror is a war on an idea, not a country or an army. It can go on forever. Im not sure how true this film is but if you go by this film they were not "picked up on a battefield" they were picked up in a region the US attacked. The US has been completely hypocritical on human rights since the Bush cartel has been in power. Are minds ARE made up. Apparently so is yours, now stop crying.

[–] Limpy-2 17 years ago

Robobeatnik, your comment,
"The United States can't bring freedom to anyone because they themselves are not free" was one of the most simple, poignant summaries of the morass of sh*t I have had the displeasure of seeing my country blindly instigate. Galileo's frame of mind is yet another reason I wake up many mornings wishing I wasn't an American. This movie captured the essence of freedom and democratic ideals America stands for; God bless America.

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[–] s7777 17 years ago

I know the film is a political hotbed but I'm reading very few comments on the quality of the film. I thought it was a well made film and an interesting angle to take.
I enjoyed watching it from the point of view that it was a good yarn.
Fact or fiction.

[–] red_rackham_77 12 years ago

Case of abuse of power and the same case of cruel witch hunt only it is about terrorist hunts instead. It is a cruel and ashaming acts like these soldiers that makes me ashamed of our troops.