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how would you feel if this happened to you?


im gonna try and be as bias and truthful as i can be, and i am just curious to see what other people think.

if all this happened to you, would you feel hate towards the americans? or try and move on? or what?

i personally would like to think that i would move on and not blame all americans for this, get what i mean. but i cant really say, i mean a guy called me a dirty wog the other day and i broke his nose. if americans did this to me and i was innocent...for 2 years! id feel pretty *beep* angry.


anyway, thoughts?

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Well said sir.

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Guys --

Allow me to attempt to clear up a couple of misconceptions.

Why does the young Muslim bridegroom go back to Pakistan for a bride? Because that is the way he is brought up. His parents prefer that he marry a religious and devout girl from a family known to them, perhaps for generations. This will ensure that she looks after them as her in-laws and that she brings up her children in the manner she is accustomed. Several Pakistani families prefer this method of marriage, though some have arranged marriages with Pakistani girls born and brought up in England.

As for haring off to help the Afghan people with very little concrete planning -- I suggest you read about the Crusades. Droves of devout Englishmen were influenced by the rant of misguided priests and set off for Palestine, where they planned to 'cleanse' Jerusalem of the heathen. Sound familiar?

The Americans are bullies. Bush is a confused man who has been elevated far beyond his capabilities.

We live with our mistakes.

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The Tipton three are not innocent, they simply haven't been proved guilty. I daresay the money they have managed to gouge out of the uS taxpayer has helped things considerably.

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Never even charged.. oh and they were torturered for years.

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If they havent been proved guilty, they are innocent.

Jesus Christ I feel sorrow for all the people who died to give you this right. Guantanamo Bay is not a jail. Its a torture house.
Put yourself in someone elses shoes for once and realize what the hell is happening.

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"they simply haven't been proved guilty"

Just like you, then?

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Here's a thought - Why do people like you always make a point of asking people like me what would I do, and how would I feel if this happened to me. Here's the thing - It wouldn't happen to me, because I don't have the kind of connections that these three British passport holders have, I'm not pakistani, if I want to get married I do it the regular English way . I don't have some distant relative in a foreign land arrange for me to travel halfway around the world and arrange a wedding, often for money. I don't take trips into areas which are obviously dangerous and where there is fierce fighting going on and where I take sides against the country whose passport I carry. I don't owe loyalty and allegiances to a culture and tradition whose aims and ambitions are frequently in direct opposition to that of the country in which I have been raised, educated, housed and medicated all free of charge. I don't get myself in trouble with the authorities by inciting my co religionists to murder and mayhem.

I have never had as much as a parking ticket, nor me nor my family have ever had any problem with the police, debt or been anything less than absolutely above board. I am a middle class professional homeowner in two countries and while my life has not been without problems, because no life, no matter how carefully lived, ever is, I have never put myself at odds with the authorities. So you see, why on earth would I need to empathise with those who have deliberately and needlessly placed themselves in jeopardy and paid the price for it, and who cynically use the fact of having a piece of paper which says they are British to try and escape the consequences of their actions.

BTW, regarding the broken nose of which you appear so proud, I hope you will be summonsed for assault - the mere fact of name calling, regrettable as it may be, does not entitle you to take the law into your own hands - and unless you can provide at least one reliable witness to the verbal abuse that will not serve as any kind of mitigation to your unlawful act.

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Look, I don't know where you are from, but here in Australia, if someone makes a racial slur its socially acceptable to take action, within reason (during teenage years). Racial name calling and insults are a tabboo here, and most people know if you use them you'll have to accept the consequences.

and also, what do you reckon being british is? Clearly the is a vast ethnic diversity in the country. British doesnt mean white, it means british. If a person was born and raised there, then he is british, regardless of his ethnicity. I am ethnicallly Armenian, but I was born in Australia, and raised here, all my friends are here, I've never been to Armenia in my life. Does that make me Armenian? or Australian? I consider myself Australian through and through, but I am equally proud of my Armenian heritage.

hmm and what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? if they havent been proven guilty then they are innocent, isnt that how it works? nah, not anymore.

now it is: innocent until accused. how unfortunant

i think whether they were innocent or not doesnt make any difference. the fact is they were held for 3 years without being charged.

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..is it socially acceptable to take a swing at someone for using the term pommie? or whinging pom? or Brit, which English people find very offensive? I doubt it, and that, of course, would be because most English people are white, and apparently a/c to the PC liturgy, it is impossible to make a racist remark to a white person, because we all deserve to be insulted in racial terms.

I can't be bothered to go on arguing and explaining the basic difference between a nation which is built of recent immigrants and one which has emerged over a millenium or two.

While it may be difficult to make you understand what it means to be ' british', you will surely grasp what it means not to be British.

It is not British to riot and demonstrate calling for the death by beheading of someone whose opinions you do not agree with.

It is not British to travel half way around the world to sell yourself to the family of a girl you have never seen before, so that they can get a foot in the UK door

It is not British to appear in jihadi videos, threatening death to destroy British society

It is not British to fight alongside forces which have vowed to kill British soldiers.

It is not British to blow up subway trains and buses out of hatred for the west, the UK and everything it stands for

It is not British to object to ceramic piggy banks, and insist on them being banned.

It is not British to demand that the collection of ceramic pigs of a private citizen be confiscated by the police because it was on display in her house and offended you

It is not British to plan to carry out mid air bombings of transatlantic flights in the name of your god.

It is not British to stuff the soles of your shoes with explosives and attempt to set it off in mid flight

It is not British to blame a female member of your family for having been raped, and as punishment for her having shamed you, together with other male family members., murder her.

It is not British to perform illegal surgery on the private parts of female family members

It is not British to demand your own system of government within the UK and
the institution of your own laws in certain areas.


It is not British to consistently refer to all British women as slags and w*****, because they are not veiled

It is not British to demand (with menaces) special favours and privileges simply because you practice a different religion from the norm.

..and that is but a small selection of what it is not to be British -

Quite honestly muslims are terribly hard work, and most people find that it is not worth the effort.




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i agree with everything you said about what it is to not be british.

a racial slur from an ethnic arab for example to a white european aussie is just as bad as a white european aussie to an ethnic arab. it goes both ways.

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nah i agree with you completely, all im sayin is race shouldn't even come into play. its like martin luthur king's speach, you know 'i have a dream that people wont be judged on the colour of their skin, but on the content of their character'.

everyone needs to have respect, is all im tryna say. ANYONE who doesnt respect the laws of the country they were born into, i think, should all be treated the same, with punishment, you know, depending on what they did.

for british citizens, who have their roots from an other country like pakistan or palestine for example, they need to respect british law i think. And i personally (if i was a british citizen, born there raised there etc.) would feel obliged to defend britain, because that is the country which took me or my family in.

as i said before my ethnicity is armenian, my entire family comes from palestine, but i was born and raised in australia. Australia is my home, and my family's home too. if war broke out tomorrow between australia vs palestine and armenian, i would fight for australia. I am australian, yet equally proud of my heritage. know what i mean?

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destruction of a society? thats nothing compared to what has allready been done or what is being done. Alot of third world countries including india pakistan bangladesh.... and many more have been wrecked because of british colonisation and are still struggling because of the divides made and systems put in place by them. I dont want/promote the destruction of any society but to me this looks like the case of what goes around comes around. british/amercan government isnt as innocent as they tell you through the media. Do some reseach check out history.

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and i see here you reffer to what you have heard from the headlines. You really dont know any muslims do you. Most of this rubbish you are talking about is allways on news to further ruin the reputation of muslims and place a stereotype on them. Culture is to blame yet this fact is overlooked. Thankyou for being so ignorant.

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Idiots! Saying all muslims are guilty of the examples you are giving is like saying that all american and english soldiers are like that red neck, trailer park trash that got caught putting naked arabs in a pile and what not,
in that prison.. funny thing her name was english and she was an american.

How would you feel if a bunch of morons came and accused you of a bunch of thigs you had not done, and then asked you to admit this. For every time you dont, they beat you down. Talibans and others like them in iraq or wherever were really bad people, but that doesnt mean that there arent any in us or uk military. Bad seeds grow in every nation and no matter what costume you dress up in, there is no excuse for taking away the civil rights and torture people. Two wrongs dont make a right.

How about those cops in Philly, yeah, real class acts.

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Careful with claims such as these. Especially with a collection of countries with so long a history, and even more if you includes the colonies they once had (which was counted as a part of Great Britain when they where under british controll) with all their diverse cultures.



It is not British to riot and demonstrate calling for the death by beheading of someone whose opinions you do not agree with.

Anyone heard of Queen Mary? For that matter the war of the roses was frought with beheadings, several as results of riots (or for that matter the reign of Henry VI).



It is not British to travel half way around the world to sell yourself to the family of a girl you have never seen before, so that they can get a foot in the UK door.

Queen Victoria`s husband Albert. When you look on the royal families (or for that matter the gentries or peerages) are frought with such marriages.



It is not British to appear in jihadi videos, threatening death to destroy British society.

That one`s true enough. A few nazified brits tried it during WW2 (Lord Hawhaw is one such example) but not claiming to be a part of a jihad, however several works have been made as catholic works during the war of the roses. at the time videos did not exist though.



It is not British to fight alongside forces which have vowed to kill British soldiers.

This have happened several times in what was then known as the Spanish Main (now known as the Caribbian) during the golden age of piracy (ca. 1650). When alliances between the competing countries (Spain, the Dutch, France and England) could change overnight. As well as the colonies in the new world before the war of independence.



It is not British to blow up subway trains and buses out of hatred for the west, the UK and everything it stands for.

Ever heard of sir Guy Fawkes (granted the did not have buses or trains at the time,but blowing things up...? However the IRA did target excactly those modes of transportation.



It is not British to object to ceramic piggy banks, and insist on them being banned.

True. although it has been illegal to critzise the royal family on british soil several times in it`s long history, which is how the quaiant tradition of standing on boxes to hold speeches on the corner of Hyde park in London (it`s above the soil).



It is not British to demand that the collection of ceramic pigs of a private citizen be confiscated by the police because it was on display in her house and offended you.

It is however british to rail at people dressing up as nazis during masquerades, because it offends them.



It is not British to plan to carry out mid air bombings of transatlantic flights in the name of your god.

Again the IRA.



It is not British to plan to carry out mid air bombings of transatlantic flights in the name of your god.

Not with your shoes, no but the IRA has done quite a few plane hijackings and similar stuff.



It is not British to blame a female member of your family for having been raped, and as punishment for her having shamed you, together with other male family members., murder her.

It has happened once or twice in the colonies.



It is not British to perform illegal surgery on the private parts of female family members.

It is however british (as well as jewish, and islamic, and several christian) practices to perfor operations (sometimes illegal, sometimes not) on male private parts as well as on unborn children out of wedlock.



It is not British to demand your own system of government within the UK and the institution of your own laws in certain areas.

Oh, yes Scotland and the Northern Irland are trying to demand just that even as I write this.



It is not British to consistently refer to all British women as slags and w*****, because they are not veiled.

No, but it has been known to just that if their hair was flowing free and teasing men under cromwell, during the hundred year war as well under the reign of Elizabeth older sister, Mary (also known as bloody Mary, a title well deserved).




It is not British to demand (with menaces) special favours and privileges simply because you practice a different religion from the norm.

Not because of religious minority, no. But it has certainly been known to demand (with menaces) special favours and privileges simply because they were british in the colonies - and gotten what was demanded.






Don`t get me wrong I love Great Britain (or I would not know so much about it`s history). It`s just that I need to warn people about seeng the flaws in others all the while being blind to their own.


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I don't think there are many cultures in the world that haven't got a dark period in their history, after all, all men are flawed - some more than others.

But, no one should ever forget the impact the western interference in the Middle-East, Africa, Asia, North America, South America, Australia & Oceania (catch my drift?) had. Through western colonization of the world, we can thank mostly the British, French and Spanish for this as they got the most. I remember reading somewhere the Dutch and German got nice little chunks of Africa aswell.

Basically all throughout history it's just the big guy taking a nice big dump on the little guy.

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If that would happen to me I would propably be very very pissed off.

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"It is however british (as well as jewish, and islamic, and several christian) practices to perform operations (sometimes illegal, sometimes not) on male private parts as well as on unborn children out of wedlock. "

I agree with you on most of your other points but you're not seriously comparing circumcision and abortion to female genital mutilation?

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I agree with you on most of your other points but you're not seriously comparing circumcision and abortion to female genital mutilation?



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Well there are several similarities. In both instances you cut of pieces of the private parts, in both instances mostly on people who cannot speak for themselves or to make a choice in the matter. If it had been a choice from a consenting adult, no matter which sex the person has. I would not object to it.



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Lunda, the Irish are not British. They're not even a part of the UK, except for North Ireland.

They used to be, anyway it is primarily IRA, who worked tirelessly to free excactly Northern Irland I`m mentioning here. Ironicaly, when they were most active, they got much of their support from USA. Of course this was pre-9/11.



I fail to see what flaws you have pointed out. This man puts up a decent argument, and you respond to them by bringing up examples from centuries ago. Epic failure.

From the original post I was responding to:

"I can't be bothered to go on arguing and explaining the basic difference between a nation which is built of recent immigrants and one which has emerged over a millenium or two."

Hence my rebutal with history lessions. If you are interested, the next time you are in London, go visit the London Dungeon, a museum dedicated to (among other things) the art and history of torture in the UK... It`s very interesting, although a little disturbing. At least the british are honest about some of their more unsavory past, without trying to moralise. Unlike many other nations.



Comparing the Scottish wanting to set up a civilized democratic government in their own country to immigrants and Sharia law on the island of Britain is pure nonsense.

Perhaps I should have mentioned America then, or Australia......
they would both be valid exemples seing as they were both british colonies at the time.



Your posts are riddled with ignorance and everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read them.

Such a statement shows more about you, than it does of me.

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I`m not saying they are the same, I`m saying they have similarities that makes them comparable, the lack of choice is the one I have problems with. I consider both, unless being performed on a consenting adult, as an invasion of the human body.

I fail to see how the link is relevant to this argument, as it does not adress the issue of choice at all. Other than that I mostly agree with whoever wrote it. I agree that one is a greater evil (for lack of a better word) than the other. That does not mean that either one is good.

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I'd hate the soldiers and the politians that condoned and allowed this to happen, not the US citizens.

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Better call Saul!

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