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Surprisingly not a bad movie at all


i really liked this movie, today it was repeating in the TV cable. i admit the story was changed a lot, but i did relly liked that new and also very dark story about deamons. the style was aso good.

so i asked why people hated so much this movie, man? for me, it is a much more interesting movie that the adaptation of Hitman (2007), which obviously is more a conservative sex-violence-action movie. neither are bad. i was so surprised when i saw Hitman and one year later, Max Payne in the screens, as they both are one of my favorite action games, and neither of them was a bad movie. my score is 7 on Hitman, and 8 on Max Payne.

what i would have added is that glorious narration style of Frank Miller's Sin City, which is almost the same as in the Max Payne game. Also, in the Cast, i always imagined that Payne looked more like Cristian Slater (True Romance), according to the game concept art, although Wahlberg was great on the film. In the same subject, I imagined Julianne Moore on Mona, as it looks so much as the second Mona in Max Payne 2.

about Max Payne 3, i dont know what the F* were they thinking when they shaved, bearded and fatted as hell our dear Max.

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No, this movie was a complete and utter fail. Biggest turdfest ever made. That is a fact!

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yo could put there some arguments before spaming angry answers everywhere. and please find better arguments that 'it is not the same as the game story', blah blah

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am not from the U.S., but from South America. am 2 years older than you and i dont pretend to be the awesomeness itself. am just a guy who like the movie, i was surprised about the 5,2 rating of thee movie, thats all.

there is no point to be agressive. we dont even know each other. you do answer like a child, asuming you are in the internet, hidden by a nickname.

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alas your talking to a troll :( who's not open minded to others opinions. :(

This would be like me saying The Ring is a joke (which it was .. compared to Ringu which it wasn't.) but everyone loved the remake..

Or better yet Casino Royale was not the best James Bond movies and pretty much had the same confusing Villain setup as Max Payne. But the music for Max saved that part... I still own the movie though :P The Ring I don't. Ringu (which is absurd because the name means nothing ) next... Keep forgetting MK is in this movie. Long before Black Swan.

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Not in any significant order but here goes...(POSSIBLE HEAVY SPOILERS)



The first mistake that the movie makes is that Payne's family is already dead when the film begins. Even a 3D-realm producer of the game acknowledge this specific flaw(along with his disgust of the movie).

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/10/20/3d-realms-finds-fundamental-flaws-in-payne-movie/

The "flashback" method, if done wrong(like it was here), has NO dynamic and you can't connect with Payne's motivation to seek out his family's killers.

I like Mila Kunis(don't get me wrong), but I don't think that ANYONE brought her as femme fatale/assassin Mona Sax, whom in the game is employed by Nicole Horne. Olga Kurylenko (who they killed off) seemed more suitable for that role. Not to mention that the way that she is presented into the a similar scenario as Max is DEAD WRONG. LISA Punchinello(Who in the world is NATASHA?!) is Mona's sister and the abused wife of Mafia boss Angelo Punchinello(Not in the FILM). THAT SAID, the element of the mafia is COMPLETELY left out of this movie. WHY?!!! How are we supposed to feel for Max being a cop in over his head, while he's infiltrating the mafia.

Important characters from the game are taken out of the film and substituted for characters that are not even in the GAME(the Jamaican? Jason Colvin?). Vinnie Gognitti is referenced ONLY by a sign at some type of business. Angelo Punchinello, Vinnie Gognitti, & Vladamir Lem are NON-EXISTANT in this film (Many of which have very important parts within the game's sequel). On the other hand, video-game characters who DO make their way in the movie are BADLY written. B.B. is not a pawn, but the MAIN villain(MISTAKE I). Jack Lupino is a former marine and a test subject instead of a mafia boss and occultist who distributes Valkyr for Angelo(MISTAKE II). Nicole Horne(mentioned earlier), the CEO of Aesir Corporation and the MAIN villain of the video game is BARELY IN THE MOVIE (MISTAKE III). And last but not least, yours truly, Max Payne is not an NYPD detective, turned undercover DEA agent framed for murder, but a cold-case cop looking through files(MISTAKE IV).

The Action. Oh boy. It's indeed a shame that the makers of the movie had plenty, PLENTY of material to look at as far as reference goes. In the game everything is there to give you the feel of the action. It's no surprise that John Woo and The Wachowski brothers really inspired the action of the game and to this day, EVERY action sequence in both of the games is still breathtaking to look at. The action in the movie: FLAT AS PAPER. Every action sequence(which happens VERY LITTLE) bores you to no end. It may be just me, but filmakers PARODY slow motion in their action instead of giving you ACTUAL slow motion shots. They couldn't even get the bullet-time sequences(if you want to call them SEQUENCES)right. We see Mark Whalberg bend backwards for about a good 2 minutes to shoot ONE GUY on a railing.

What was up with the flying monsters?! Max Payne NEVER EVER EVER EVER had ANYTHING supernatural in the video game. NOTHING. Now before I get the argument, I understand that there is a big difference between hallucinations or nightmares and supernatural elements and the scenes within the movie would be called hallucinations; however, there is a slight problem: when the Valkyr drug is taken, why does everyone have the SAME HALLUCINATION?!!! Is this even explained? Plus, it is up for a strong debate because it's not really a hallucination when your hallucination PULLS YOU OUT OF A WINDOW TO YOUR DEATH.

I would personally say that Max's mission of vengeance upon the underworld of New York and later on, the Aesir Corporation technically doesn't really begin until the death of Max's partner, Alex, who had, as Max puts it kept him "realatively SANE for the past 3 years" after his family's murder.

Like people unable to buy Mila Kunis as a contract assassin, I was EQUALLY unable to buy Mark Whalberg as Max Payne. I generally like Mark Whalberg in some movies, but I was VERY disappointed with him here(in the movie AND behind the scenes). According to the trivia, he did not even bother to play the game because he claims that "he didn't want to become addicted" and that the script that they had was enough to connect to the character. To me that's very........LAZY. His lack of research showed completely as he gives the most dull, one-dimensional performance in the film.

If there is anything that Sucker Punch would go on to teach us later is that VISUALS can not save a badly-written movie. It did not feel like a noir-type film. Even Payne's narration is absent. It's shame that I got more of a Max Payne movie in Mel Gibson's performance in Payback than Mark Whelberg's "interpretation."

It's one of those situations where some bad movies can't be defended, especially when the people who wrote the material acknowledge how bad the movie is. I don't know what is so HARD about adapting stories to the big screen when the story is already written for you. And here comes along a director who goes a complete 180 and changes so many things that made the material great to the point to where it is almost unrecognizable(The Last Airbender ANYONE?). Max Payne is BEYOND mediocre. It's just plain, absolutely, extremely, downright, straight-up BAD period. It is a disgrace and an insult to the video games. LOL I'm convinced that that's half the reason why they are making Max Payne 3(which I'm really looking foward to) to get the bad taste of the film out of their mouths. Like characters quote in the movie I will glady quote for others: you want to avoid 2 hours of Maximum pain, "STAY AWAY FROM MAX PAYNE."

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I couldn't have said it any better. Very well written dude. As a big fan of the game I too was disappointed by this movie. Many of us expected big gun fights, sympathy to the character (for his family loss) and his quest for revenge to make for a full on action movie. About the only way this could have been worse is if high school kids made it a musical.

Maybe if you never played the game, one might see it differently. But as for me, I cringe every time I'm reminded I went to see this movie, and talked my wife into seeing it on our anniversary when we could have seen anything better.

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no, he's right, there is nothing of the max payne soul in this film; it is only outdone in "unrelated to the game"-ness by Farcry (2008) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0400426/

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No. It's an opinion.

GetITpapi is a dumbass.

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to me there was no suspense in it. in the game he was framed for his partners murder and on the run. in the movie he was just a suspect. everyone hallucinating the exact same thing while on the drug is just ridiculous. and so obviously ridiculous that i dont know how that made it past the concept stage of development. that part of the game was what happened to one character while on the drug and he made some kind of weird cult thing out of it. and they didnt show it, because it wasnt real. it was in ONE mans head. taking that little thing and turning it into the basis for the entire movie and its special effects is just dumb. taking a character that was an old white guy in the game and making him a young black rapper in the movie is laughable. mila kunis as mona doesnt fit at all. they left vlad and pretty much the entire mob aspect and its characters out of it. i dont buy max voluntarily taking the drug like in the movie. no narration. no theme song. mark whalberg doesnt fit as max in my opinion. to me the only thing they got kind of right was the atmosphere in some parts. it honestly just didnt remind me of max payne hardly at all.
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Yep only the OP (the director's son) can find anything worthwhile in this turkey of a film.

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No. Not really. Just because YOU didn't like the movie doesn't mean everyone else hated it nor should they. The world doesn't evolve around you. The fact is, over 35,483 IMDb users (People that voted between 6-10 stars), including myself, liked this film. Now, maybe you should just accept that fact, and quit trying so hard at being the internet douchebag.

GetITpapi is a dumbass.

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Haha, righteo dude. You're one clever bloke. It's ok, you're right, don't let people like me get you down. It's hard to be different, I'd imagine. You're not retarded, you're just special. Go and be proud.

Anyway that you look at this film, it was bad. Terrible. Plain and simple. It was an action film with no action at all until the last ten minues. An film noir action game was somehow screwed up and turned into a boring supernatural detective movie. That makes the film a FAIL, you twat! It's a fail! A bloody sixth grader could write a better Max Payne screenplay then the knob who wrote this one. Pathetic. And Micheal Moore... what a fat, talentless prick. All of his movies are world class turds. Can't wait to see how he screws up the next die hard.

But you're right, I have been a little hard on you. I have to remember that a fully functioning brain is something that not everyone is graced with. I guess i take it for granted sometimes.

Now walk away, bitch, and learn your place in the world. What, too dumb to know where that is? It's beneath everyone else. Bitch.

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I know you feel threatened here and feel the need to justify your credentials to me, but I really don't care who you are.
Whoa-ho-ho. Ha ha. You really think I feel "threatened"? Boy, this is the internet! I don't really care what ANYONE thinks of me on here. The fact you're actually replying to me, saying what you're saying, trying to sound intelligent like you know what you're saying is making me laugh harder than any movie has in a while.

What I care about is that you actually have the nerve to defend this *beep* of a film that any real fan of Max Payne would hate with a passion.

I don't see why. It's JUST a movie. And I AM a real fan of the games. In fact I plan on buying Max Payne 3 day one. Whether I like the movie or not doesn't mean jack *beep* mate. All it means is you don't, and I, along with many others (By the look of the statistics, there are more people that like it than there are that don't) do. Just because you're butthurt about it doesn't really give you an excuse to act like an internet douchebag/troll. This may be a board where you can freely voice your opinion, but you abuse your ability. You can't even make a good argument without trying to insult the people that like it. Maybe if you could actually post in a MATURE manner, give reasonable points, and not act like a complete douche and judge people on their intellect based on what they like/dislike, maybe you can actually persuade other to agree with you.

Still haven't yet become the man you're going to be, stuck somewhere in between a childhood and adulthood. Jesus mate, in a few years you'll look back at yourself now, cringe and think 'Damn i was sad bastard.'

Lol, no. Not really. I actually have a pretty good life, making enough money, and have enough friends at the moment. I don't really have a reason to look back and think I was/am a sad bastard. And besides, there are many different types of crazy. There's the psychotic crazy that goes on a murder rampage, one that people feels sorry for, and one that's not over the top and is a fun type of crazy. I'm the third one.

And please don't provide me with links to compare your idiocy against. Just because someone's more of a twat than you doesn't mean that you're not a twat too. Lolz.

Ha! Compare?! No no no, there is no comparison. I am arguing over a movie, this idiot actually believes it's impossible for people under 20 to get pregnant or married.

Obviously, this argument is going nowhere. I'm finished with you. You've made me laugh enough I'm about to literally bust a gut. I hope you get this film banned worldwide. And again, thanks for the laughs mate. Also, I hope you enjoy being the new Gene Siskel (Critic that hates every movie and bashes all of them to no end).

GetITpapi is a dumbass.

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Lol, troll-bait tard.

GetITpapi is a dumbass.

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good one, you have 2 years old

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man you're quite rude, maybe an *beep* but i don't know you so i wouldn't say that.

yo mention action movies that are 'hard action movies' or that its subject is only the action. i cant give more opinion about this because i havent seen 4 of those films, only Die Hard. i imagine both John Woo's fims must be good.

what about tha last Rambo, it had crazy (very good) action but the movie was pure crap.

what about pulp fiction. 'fiction action', great story, great movie.

or the serie 'person of interest' gret action, great suspense, great story, masterpiece.

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Yes well Max Payne is supposed to be a 'hard' action film. The game was inspired by John Woo films. Duh, it was not meant to be a boring supernatural detective story.

If it Ain't anything like the games then they should not be able to use (and tarnish) the Max Payne name. Now a good Max Payne film will never be made cos of this turkey.

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ok, quoting the dude 'well, you know, thats just like your opinion man'

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No, it is fact, idiot. Mac Payne is an action game. Do some research before you make a fool of yourself any more. Jesus.

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me? no man, your opinions are just your opiniosn so you're the one who is making himself an idiot.

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get down from the pony dude, the world doesn't turn around you. what you say is your opionion, fascist.

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again, like the big lebowski said, 'to say am a stupid is just your opinion man', besides i did played both games, but rather prefer Hitman.

anyway, i do know about movies and i dont need to demostrate it to you.

am not intersted into insulting or keep this stupid discusion with someone who talk bad to other people he doesn't even know, only because they dont sahre his opinion. there is no need to call me 'retard' or 'stupid', i mean whats your point? does it makes your ego greater? i bet you have this fake badass mouth on the internet, but in real life you don't even kill a fly.

bottom line.

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oh watch out we got a bad ass over here. but if you pissed off with that, then i hit the target. i feel so proud to be sothamerican and at least make an effort to speak english, not like you of course, that you know nothing obout other languages.

i dont know why i keep talking to you in english, so learn some spanish now:

andate a la mierda conchetumadre fascista el mundo no gira a tu alrededor. me importa un pico que pienses que no se nada de películas, yo se lo que veo, tu no y deja de webiarme por este foro. ojala te baneen pronto por ser tan pendejo y acabronado con gente que no te ha hecho nada.

viva chile mierda!

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Haha yeah mate you really struck a nerve, what with all that broken English and all. Looks like I've been told lol. Yep give yourself a pat on the back. You hit the target all right. Lol.

Why would I learn Spanish? I don't care what you have to say. You're a joke. Stop posting on this board to defend this crap film. It seems like it's the only movie you've ever seen in you life, haha. Sad bastard.

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umm since I have never played the game I thought the movie was good, but I just wonder if the people complaining are just doing it cuz it wasnt as good as the game or simply cuz they thought it was a bad movie

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umm since I have never played the game I thought the movie was good,

First off, play the games. They will blow your *beep* mind.

but I just wonder if the people complaining are just doing it cuz it wasnt as good as the game or simply cuz they thought it was a bad movie

Well as you may tell, the guy I'm replying to thought it was a bad movie. And me? Well while I'm not complaining, it definitely wasn't anywhere near as good as the game. But if you forget about the game, and forget it's even an adaption (A failed one at that, like most movie adaptions of games), and think of it as it's own thing, it's slightly passable. Just my opinion though.

GetITpapi is a dumbass.

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agree. having not played the games gives you an impartial judge about the movie.

and people stop talking *beep* about a movie just because is not the same as the videogame... so where is the freedom of movie making?

the videogames is one thing, the movie about it is a second and independent thing. for example, for Hitman, the movie is very much like the game, except there is one beaty bitch that almost *beep* 47. that is a cliché addition to the movie, but it counts.

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No.

The problem with this movie is not only that it is not like the games, it's also a crap movie in general, one of the worst I've seen in a cinema. The fact though that the douchebags in charge of making this film screwed up so badly when all they had to do was shorten the game script and then film it, well... it's just unforgiveable.

I know films and games are different things, but go and play the games first. You'll see that they were perfect source material for a movie/s. I dare you to defend this crap after you've played the first game. Bloody disgraceful.

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i did play both games. however, mention 5 good action movies to know what are your parameters of this subject.

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Jesus. Ok, a couple of awesome action films...

Die Hard

Hard-Boiled

The Killer

The Crow

T2

But seriously dude, if you can't see the problems with Max payne as an action movie then I seriously question your ability to rate films. Max Payne the movie does not succeed on any levels whatsoever.

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Max Payne the movie does not succeed on any levels whatsoever.

Yeah it does. It succeeds at being a better movie than "Twilight" or "Never Say Never".

GetITpapi is a dumbass.

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Thats debatable....

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Wow read the trolling. OK I did not even know it was a game, so therefore I have never played and don't care whether the movie fit the game or not. I ended up liking the movie although I remember thinking early on wow this is a bad movie. But it was not. By the time they got to the shoot out scene in the office building I was thinking wow, good shoot out scene, and I thought the music was great. And I liked the plot and the way it unfolded which made the whole thing interesting. I just watched "SAFE" with Jason Statham and I love him and I love shoot out movies but his movies have gotton to be like violence porn -- no real plot, or a stupid one, stringing together car chase scenes and shootouts. Max Payne was better than that and even the C-4 wasn't a cheap shot. Liked it. Troll me if you want I so don't care.

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I definitely liked this movie.
I've never even played any of the games and don't know if it's true to the games.
As a movie itself, I thought it was very good.

I don't know why people don't like it. From a non gamer's point of view I thought this was a good action movie with decent plot.

I admit it was very predictable though. Even at the beginning of the movie, I knew that there was no real supernatural enemy attacking them and that it was just hallucinations because the movie already hinted by showing small vials of bright blue liquid throughout the movie and I knew it was related to them.
It was also easy to figure out that BB was going to be a double crosser because he was the stereotypical cliche of being "too helpful".
When you've seen enough cop movies where the partner is a traitor, you also see them acting too friendly or helpful. It gets predictable after a while.

Despite that I think it's still a great movie.

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I actually liked this movie.
What I liked the most about it is how the way the Aegis corporation conducted their bussiness resembles SO CLOSELLY the way REAL LIFE AMERICAN CORPORATIONS solve their failed bussiness plans, compete with each other, deal with detractors/"problematic customers", run their bussiness, etc.

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They did not redo the game as movie, but it still was an interesting one. Taking drugs is a key element of the game although the painkillers serve as medpacks and not as a supersoldier drug. Video games don't need an explanation for one-man-armies because naturally you are the player actor and those enemies are just scripted NPCs. It was surely overdone looking like a comic book adaption visualizing mania that way, but why not try out something new. It was entertaining. The action was well done and the settings looked great. Someone said that he wished there was more violence. I just watched the Extended Director's Cut and it is brutal with lot's of bloody live shooting action and bullets flying through bodies in slow motion. The story was interesting to follow although it involved some cliches and not all actors were casted right.

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^John Moore's son.

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Never had a hard time with this movie. Too many compared it to the movie. It's a movie it's gonna change the story. Imagine The Hobbit. One tiny book. Now 3 movies. The only big let down was the villain. Movie seriously needs its sequel. Now Max Payne 3, now there's a bad version of the game.. (Max Payne 2 .. tooo buggy... maybe gog.com can fix it.
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