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The bias is strong in this one ....


OK, here's something I don't get:

For some reason, Arab-Americans are depicted as some sort of 'fifth column' in the mass media lately. They're depicted as untrustworthy, ready to bomb their friends and neighbours at a moments' notice and generally depicted as all-round no-goodinks. What most of the propaganda (which this show falls under) depicting such scenarios fail to show is WHY the US has made itself such a target: They keep on bombing the heck out of the Middle East, support the racist, apartheid state of Israel, install tyrannical puppets who then start wars with their neighbouring states (all while buying arms from the US) - furthermore America has a history of invading and occupying other countries and lands - just ask Hawaii for proof. And whether it be the genocide of The Native Americans or dropping an atomic bomb on Hiroshima - their past ain't exactly spotless. But the narrative the west peddles is that 'These people aren't trustworthy because they won't allow us to steal their oil' or something. Oh, you got attacked ONCE by them (as opposed to Lebanon which was attacked 100+ times by Israel in the past - not to mention suffered a full blown INVASION by US troops in the 80s - but you don't see THEM whining about it!) - cry me a river.....

The hypocrisy is even more mind-boggling when you consider that many Americans who share dual-nationalities with Israel were ACTUALLY convicted of spying for another country. Plus many immigrants from Russia were actively involved in criminal activity there - but I guess if you launder the money you stole in Russia through Israel and then invest your ill-gotten gains in some tech start-up company in Silicon Valley, all is forgiven then! Speaking of fifth columns, take a look at what's happening in the Ukraine currently: A bunch of corrupt oligarchs (aided by The US State Dept. - US Congress woman Victoria Nuland herself admitted to spending over 5 BILLION in tax payer money trying to 'install a democracy' there) seized power by staging violent protests who resulted in the deaths of several protestors. They even paid off several Neo-Nazi and violent fascist skinhead groups to aid them in their quest for power. These same groups wreaked havoc and murdered several leftists in an attack on a trade union building. They are now currently bombing their own people who want to separate themselves from the capital as they do not wish to align themselves with the fascists in power! The main conspirators in this sordid chain of events are all Jewish: Yushchenko, Poroshenko, Timoshenko and Yatsenyuk - the irony of them all using fascists and Neo-Nazis to do their dirty work is incredible: But I guess when you're desperate enough to ruin a country and grab all it's resources, the end justifies the means, right? Guess what's the first thing all these "patriots" did when they assumed power - take out a huge loan from the IMF - thus impoverishing The Ukraine. Gas bills are now raised to over 40% - pensioners in Kiev are starving themselves now just so that they won't freeze to death in the winter. So most of the profits are siphoned out of the country (and into Bank Accounts in the US and UK) nobody in the media says anything - imagine what people would have said if the conspirators involved were black or Muslim?

The hypocrisy is astounding .....

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Do you belong to CARE?

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Ok. Your post is pretty biased id say. First off all, the main character is Muslim and is not protrayed negative. And the rest of your post you just use bashing non-muslims. Some of your points were good, some not, but in the end it came down to: Dont critize us. Now im gonna critize you. You made something bad in your past so now we too should be allowed to act that way. You have a warped sense of fairness...

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Yup, this is all true.



Working in the movie business since -92

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Dude, start a blog or something. Honestly, no one cares!

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Your antisemitism is so intense it causes you to either make up nonsense about politics in the middle east or just buy into the deranged propaganda of the Israel haters. Learn some facts, then you can post.

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This show is more diverse then other shows that explore this subject matter. The Producers were clearly a whole lot more sensitive then 24 and Homeland. This show is trying to explore every aspect of islam but at least distinguishes moderate and devout from the Radicals and fundamentalists. This show focuses on the War On Terrror but doesn't go to heavily into decades past Foreign Policy. At this point its becoming more clear the War On Terror is just industry in service for Military Industry Complex. Just like the Drug War.

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First of all, I don't get what you were expecting; should the show start with a comprehensive history of U.S.-middle eastern political history before it can get into the sleeper cell plot? And did you somehow expect a series about a sleeper cell to be about moderate Muslims?

Second, the things you're talking about may play a role in the motivations for the average Joe Mujahideen fighting the foreign and domestic invaders of their respective countries, but it does not seem to be the primary motive for the figureheads of movements like Al Qaeda and ISIS. Instead, their motivations are almost entirely religious (though they consider Islam their political system as well, so the lines must necessarily blur), and their gripe with the west are its norms and values, and particularly its freedoms, which are diametrically opposed to their own religious ideology. You don't have to take my word for that; just look at what they themselves write, and look at the writings of their intellectual ancestors, like Muhammad Abd al-Wahhab, S.K. Malik, Sayyed Qutb, and Abdullah Azzam. Abu Bakr (he of ISIS fame) for example, barely mentions Iraq and Syria; instead, the terms he uses most are Allah, Ummah (the global Muslim community), Mohammed, and the greater caliphate.

ISIS in particular was until recently much more focused on killing other (Shi'a) Muslims, rather than westerners, because these are seen as apostates, or "the near enemy" (which they believe should be defeated before "the far enemy", because otherwise the apostates might simply take over when the invaders are driven out). And if this is a reaction to mistreatment by the U.S. and the west, what did Iraq's Christian population, which has nothing to do with the U.S., Europe, or Israel, and which suffered the same as the Muslims of Iraq under both Saddam Hussein and the subsequent occupation, ever do to deserve being massacred or driven out of their homes en masse?

Moreover, why are a lot of the people who commit attacks in the west ones who grew up there in relative freedom and under pretty decent circumstances? Typical suicide bombers/terrorists in the west, for example, are well known to be relatively highly educated, middle class citizens, typically second of third generation descendants of immigrants. It's hard to argue that these people have been mistreated to the point of it warranting violence.

In other words, you're painting a caricatured and vastly oversimplified image of a complex ideological conflict, and you're placing an excessive portion of the blame on the west.

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