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To the Company, the Director, and his Friends ... JUST MOVE ON ALREADY!


Listen, to whomever is reading this - this isn't a "Love it or Hate it" movie. This movie is genuinely, objectively, awful. That doesn't happen with movies often, but when it does ... you know it.

To all the plants and friends/alter egos of the director who keep voting "no this comment wasn't useful" on the bad reviews and voting their friends' fake reviews as "useful" - you do understand that, don't you? This isn't just some revenge plot against you, or some polarized opinions over a controversial movie (that happens sometimes) - this movie is GENUINELY BAD. No one hates you, no one's trying to ruin your career - so instead of being a one man/company hype machine, who don't you just let the honest criticism stand, accept it, and move on to trying to make, at least, a coherent original film next time? It might not be good, but it will at least be a step in the right direction.

Stop trying to snow-job people. Just accept the valid criticism and move on.

The only reason I'm bothering to type this is because imdb, for the most part, has a lot of good reviews and honest, objective, reviewers and that sort of thing helps a lot of people decide which movie they're going to spend their time and/or cash to watch. People who come in to imdb and over-inflate and astro-turf their own independent work skew the site more towards advertising than criticism, and that's just not good for the community.

I know, to those involved with the movie who are reading this, that this sort of criticism hurts, and that you're sitting reading it now and probably feeling slighted - but it's true. The best thing you can do at this point is accept the valid criticism here, accept that it makes you angry, and just move on to the next movie. Maybe even take the anger you get from reading these honest criticisms, from myself and from others, and let it inspire you (if that sort of thing works for you). Maybe, one day, you'll make the type of brilliant and complex movie that gets criticized because people really truly just don't get it - but "Wild 7" is NOT that movie. The criticisms here are valid and justified. So, just move on ... move on.


EDIT: This is a copy and paste from another thread (with one minor revision and a paragraph added) because I thought other people on the board who have seen this movie would appreciate it and, not to bolster my own posting because I don't much care about that, because I think it's important.

SECOND EDIT: I just realized that there's the possibility, assuming that either small-minded people related to the makers of the movie have the power, that this thread will be deleted. If that is the case then I ask, just for honesty's sake, that you let it stand and let (real) people respond to it as they will.

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>> 1. Don't you people have anything better to do?

The fact of the matter is that most people that didn't like the movie would have posted once or twice and not returned if not for the fact that.... they noticed their posts about not liking the movie disappeared.


>> 2. Seriously, it's absolutely amusing watching you guys continue this ridiculousness.

What a coincidence. I find it absolutely amazing the extent to which the imdb ratings were manipulated and how so many posts saying they disliked the movie disappeared.


>> 3. I personally don't like a lot of academy award winners, and you might not be a Takashi Miike fan; everything is objective. But what does coming here and doing your best to derail or degrade the efforts of others accomplish?

Let me turn the question around for you. What does manipulating the imdb scores and deleting posts that cricize the movie accomplish? Are you trying to say it's only okay to make positive comments about movies on imdb forums?

The fact of the matter is that the overwhelming majority of people who like a particular film, won't post negative comments about it.


>> 4. You said move on, well what do you know about filmmaking? Most likely, little or nothing about the process.

I don't know squat about filmmaking. However, I do know after watching a movie whether I like it or not. I thought Wild Seven was to put it nicely, boring.

Furthermore, many people have valid opinions about a lot of things they don't know anything about making. I bet you know people who have opinions about say cars who don't know squat about their assembly and design.


>> 5. Take your anger elsewhere, as all of you guys have broken the law to begin with and deserve little or no respect, in my opinion. You guys have tried your best to smear the film and might prevent a few people from seeing it, but ultimately, if people don't like this version, they won't.
So find something else to do and move on. Maybe we should get your posts and threads deleted, because it would merely create controversy and keep the moviemeter up, as you thieves were responsible for it being spiked in the first place.

And what about those of us who paid cash for our DVD or watched it as a rental based upon the imdb rating which was manipulated by you and your friends? Are we allowed to express disatisfaction with what we consider a poor movie on imdb forums?


>> 6. Also, if you want to have an understanding of what you refer to as "VALID CRITICISM," read one of Roger Ebert's one or zero star reviews. Too often, people equate the word "criticism" with needing to be over-critical or even hateful, when in fact criticism is intended to be a detailed analysis of someone's work. If you intend to be treated like an adult, act like one. Otherwise, *beep* off.

Maybe if you & your friends read the critical posts of your film instead of having them deleted, perhaps you might gain some insight as to improvements that could improve your product.

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[quote=zeelurker]The fact of the matter is that most people that didn't like the movie would have posted once or twice and not returned if not for the fact that.... they noticed their posts about not liking the movie disappeared.[/quote]
This is true, watched the film, disliked it. Thought I would post my opionion on these boards. A few minutes later I see that my post has been deleted. Now ofcourse I am angry, try to repost, gets deleted. My friend tries to post it gets deleted, then we see that there are absolutely no negative comments on the board. None of the negative reviews are shown on the films main page, only the 10/10, 9/10 reviews.

It was also funny to see how perfectly evenly the votes were distributed (by accounts which have only been made to vote and comment once), you can still see this on the Directors other movie Trip Out.

Anyway my point is I would not have given a toss about coming back to these boards repeatedly to write them same *beep* over and over again, the admins (or the people who are reporting negative comments as racism or something) hadn't silenced our views in the first place.

You keep saying that we are so angry Rarfhead, well I was fine until my posts were being deleted, and I realised that the votes were manipulated, what was it you called it 'encouraged voting'? And now I'm happy again :) because the negative comments are staying, and the rating for this film is dropping as it should be.

[quote=Rarfhead]Maybe we should get your posts and threads deleted, because it would merely create controversy and keep the moviemeter up.[/quote]
So you weren't doing this already?

"..release me to the care of my heartless strap."

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I was fine until my posts were being deleted, and I realised that the votes were manipulated


Hahaha...Wow...that's some accusing done by u. So, it's a fact then??? ;) Well, I didn't read the thread from the beginning so I don't know what has been deleted. Hence gonna stay of that subject.

Thing is I seam to be the only 1 typing that I enjoyed this movie and THAT seams very od to me. I realy do get that several of you might have disliked it but more then because the movie has some what of a bad ending then anything else. The first 60 minutes were real good but the last 15-20 did't pay out. A big shame but still...I liked the movie because of the first 60 minutes.

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It's a bit weird of you do have an opinion on the subject and post that when you havent read the whole thread... But anyway, read some more posts on these boards and you will learn that the ratings, posts on this boards and even the reviews have been tampered with. It's really very lame. On the other hand I dont blame that you missed that, since many of the posts regarding that subject have been deleted. The bottomline, the producers behind this movie has some marketing deal with imdb, that enables them to mark post to be deleted later by imdb-staff. And clearly, reading the reviews, most of them are from fakeaccounts, and the voting of which ones are valuable or not also. Even the ratings on this movie, which tankfully have been plummeting the last couple of weeks due to real viewers starting to vote.

"They put the sights on the top for a reason."
The Punisher

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I belive you did not understand what I said (or meant). I was refering to that I hadn't read the posts pre being deleted. Therefor I can not tell if it was correct of "them" to delete them...u follow? Don't be thorns out on me, plz...

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> what about those of us who paid cash for our DVD or watched it as a rental based upon the imdb rating which was manipulated by you and your friends?

Things similar to this are often called fraud

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Ah, Rarfhead.

You still seem to be insisting that all of this is just a matter of personal taste and that some people love your movie and some people hate it and blah, blah, blah.

You understand that isn't truly the case though, right?

The good reviews you're getting are almost exclusively from people associated with you. The bad reviews you're getting are from people who watched the movie without that association.

The fact of the matter is that if it hadn't been so obvious to the honest reviewers that you were jimmying with your own statistics then no one would have come back a second time.

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Haha, damn, that just too funny for words!

"They put the sights on the top for a reason."
The Punisher

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He's done it before and he'll most likely do it again. It's a simple way of deleting many threads that he started where poeple have left bad comments.

I'm glad you guys have finally been able to leave comments since all of mine have been deleted. I think I was the first to bring up the high scores and planted reviews. The scores are also coming to normal levels, although it is still skewed by the many 10's.

Take a look at the Amazon page for the movie. He's doing the exact same thing by posting a complaint on the bad review and negging them, while creating many great reviews. They even go far as to say that if that was the worst movie the one reviewer has ever seen, they must've only seen Citizen Kane and Wild 7 lol! We should make sure to be heard there as well.

I'm making a copy of this post in case it gets deleted. I am not breaking any rules.

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Well, that's the problem isn't it. There are so much censuring(and apparently it seems to be the people behind the movie whos behind it) on this board that it's impossible to follow it.
But if you have anything against free speech, continue to believe that people have something against this movie.

There are a lot of bad movies, and a lot of movies that are worse than this. But this is the first time I've seen a board on imdb that censors negative opinions. Frankly, it's scary and troubling.


"They put the sights on the top for a reason."
The Punisher

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this was a terrible movie and I felt duped by the gamed imdb rating and planted reviews to watching it. THATS why everyone is angry. Not bc the movie's bad, which it is to the tenth degree) but bc we feel tricked by some unsrupulous gaming.

So its obvious that for Indy films, you cannot trust imdb and that's a shame.

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So imdb deleted a few posts, big deal.


A few posts? Are you kidding? And it was first when people started to get really angry about it that it stopped. And yes, as long as the posts follows the rules of imdb, IT IS A BIG DEAL!

Look up any movie, any famous director, etc and you will see nothing but animosity, and boiling disgust for them on their boards


Have you tried your own advice? OR do you mean famous (Uwe Boll) or good (Kubrick). There is a difference, and if you do the latter, you'll see that most of the posts are praise. There are some negative threads, as it should be. Or would you prefer that there wouldnt be any controversy at all?
This movie is just bad(fair enough, some might find it good), and all of the controversy and discussion stems from the fact that the reviews, ratings and message board have been manipulated by the makers of the movie.

And I have no idea what your age has to do with this, or why you assume you're older than any of us.

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So the director and the company are manipulating the posts and the reviews and things like that. True? Seems it might be. That makes them horrible people.

But in the end I have to say I actually kind of enjoyed the movie. It was flawed and the acting and the dialogue sometimes seemed a bit awkward from the younger crowd (Forster was brilliant). But I still liked it. I liked the whole feeling of the movie. I liked the atmosphere. The style. The sort of slowly paced plot.I liked the cinematography as well.

I think it was an ok movie. Not great, but hardly awful either.

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