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This movie is over the top gay...


Seriously...

I'm not sure if this is something normal for British kids going to school, but coming from an American perspective, this movie is mind-numbingly gay.

Mix in the pedophilia and it's just over the top.

They talk about homosexual behavior like if it's normal. How exactly can a student who holds his religion so highly, want "details" about a teacher giving head to a student??

I wasn't aware this movie was an adaptation of some writer's delusional/perverted fantasy.

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I don't think it's meant to be like that. Unfortunately for you and most straight people, homosexuality is all around you. This movie just uses it in the story line. Look around you. You live/work/can't get away from alternative sexuality. That's life, man.
As for the teacher, that's different. If I could teach anything to the world, it's that homo's/gays aren't the same same as perverts. f*'n A!

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he's right...it's all around you. you just dont know about it because you aren't that way inclined.

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Gayness may be all around us, but pedophilic teachers who have their unruly male student galavant around semi-nude is reminiscent of the nasty catholic priest scandals and NAMBLA.

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Something may be all around you and because it is unacceptable, it is hidden. Homosexuality is unacceptable - and so you don't see it. The fact that it may indeed be all around you means nothing, my dears. What else is all around you? Let's see... people lie, cheat, steal and do other unacceptable things and have the sense, again, to try to hide them - lest their reputations suffer. Conscience and morals aside. No matter how many closeted gays surround you, you should not be expected to applaud their choice to lead a life off the beaten path, so to speak. Sympathize perhaps, applaud no.
It's ultimately a sad life, I believe. The term 'gay', I think has always been intentionally ironic, especially as the AIDS infections spread.
I'll head you off at the pass here - homosexuality is found in nature. Natural behavior includes other unacceptable acts and that in itself is a tremendous topic. Why indeed not imitate behavior in the animal world? Pedophilia is no doubt observed in the animal world. What else?

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I would just like to say that I think you're 'beliefs' are wrong, pertaining to a 'sad life'. Gay people are just as happy or as unhappy as their non gay counterparts. You might see it as sad, but the majority of gay people (myself included) are quite fine with it. Why not imitate the behavior of animals? Because the majority of us have evolved (somewhat)and choose not to. Pedophilia goes on in the non gay world, but the lack of discussion (at least on this board)could be seen as condoning that behavior. Perhaps the reason that gay people have remained 'hidden' could be for the fact that so many have picked items from a very old book that says that homosexuality is wrong, and that misguided fact is constantly used as a way to subjugate people with a different sexual orientation. I know myself that it wasn't easy coming out to myself in a household where gay jokes and bashing went on all the time. The point is, there is nothing at all wrong or shameful with being gay. The problems that you see in others can usually be found within yourself. Natural behavior is natural and to find it unacceptable goes against nature, wouldn't you say? And mathmaniac, identifying ourselves as gay, happened before the Aids epidemic. I think your irony is a bit rusty.

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I'm not gay. But homosexuality is not unacceptable. Your attitude to it is, however. You have a great deal to learn about life and people.

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Some pathetic homophobia in this thread. 1 in 10 people are gay, therefore the situations in the History Boys are entirely normal.

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Some pathetic homophobia in this thread. 1 in 10 people are gay, therefore the situations in the History Boys are entirely normal.

huh? in the history boys the role is reversed and only 1 in 10 were straight. not much in that movie was "normal". homosexuality is not "normal". to use someone else's reference about it being in nature... if homosexuality were "normal" then reproduction would occur through homosexual acts. it does not. it actually proves that nature has a way of getting rid of the ab"normal" lives that come up.

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if homosexuality were "normal" then reproduction would occur through homosexual acts. it does not. it actually proves that nature has a way of getting rid of the ab"normal" lives that come up.


Then you should tell nature or God to stop reproducing gay people.

In any case, the discussion of this thread was not whether homosexuality is natural or not. Take your homophobia some place else. Perhaps the play ground.

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Sorry, but what he said was a very real and legitimate explanation. Insinuating that he is a homophobe because it may tread on your feelings doesn't discredit him at all.

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How on earth was that a "real and legitimate" explanation?! It's fundamentally flawed.

Are you sure that it's not just a natural form of population control? It doesn't imply that there's something inherently wrong with the people involved. THAT is homophobia.

These bastards!

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if homosexuality were "normal" then reproduction would occur through homosexual acts. it does not. it actually proves that nature has a way of getting rid of the ab"normal" lives that come up.

Did it ever occur to you that if all things were MEANT to populate how out of control the entire population (animals, people, etc.) would be? Try to think outside the box for a moment.

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Well lets reverse the genders = You have and old male teacher molesting his 17 year old students who willingly travel with the pervert on his little motorbike. In comes a younger teacher who gets offered a head job. According to critics, if the students were male - this would be groundbreaking. If it was female, it would have been shot down and compared to Showgirls. What BS. The History boys is nothing more than a homosexual sex fantasy. There's nothing wrong in this world about that - but trying to praise this film as something high minded is painting gold on crap.

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This film depicts some pathetic attempts at groping and a student behaving seductively towards a teacher. Does this automatically result in Showgirls-like prurience? Ridiculous. A sex fantasy requires the depiction of some satisfying sex, which this film has none of.


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I just made the point in another thread you wouldn't think twice about a male teacher having sexual thoughts about the 17/18-year-old girls in his class so long as he wasn't touching them up. Teacher-student sexual tension is natural, it's just that this story is set in an all-boys school so there aren't any girls to throw into the equation to balance things up (except the member of staff Dakin is trying it on with).

Anyway, "mind-numbingly gay"? There isn't a single gay-gay relationship in the film.

And pedophilia? I didn't see any under-16s there...

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If... is set in the sixties though, where History Boys is set in 1983 - very different eras to be a British schoolboy.

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This movie is over the top boring.

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"They talk about homosexual behavior like if it's normal. How exactly can a student who holds his religion so highly, want "details" about a teacher giving head to a student??"

Please, go away! Why do pregudiced people always assume that they can use religion to justify their own discriminations? And I admire that student becuase he practiced TOLERANCE, which is far more important than condemming something as normal as schoolboy banter.

Take your normal and shove it, if you don't get that this movie was about so much more that sex (of any orientation) then I really don't want to hear it!

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This movie was awful. As in: not good, the opposite of good, bad. It was boring. The movie went absolutely nowhere. And I agree that it was over-the-top homosexual. I, too, found myself questioning why every male character had obvious gay tendencies. My girlfriend, who is NOT homophobic in the least, could not stomach it at all. She fell asleep long before it was over. For a straight person, I found this to be very unsettling. And before you start your screaming emmamaria, I have lots of gay friends. I am not homophobic. It was just not what I expected. Why is it that a movie can throw in a homosexual slant and all of a sudden it is Oscar worthy, and the critics are singing its praises?

By the way emmamaria, if you are going to act so put off by user comments and you "really don't want to hear it", then quit seeking out all of the negative posts and commenting on them. Get a life. Go crusade somewhere else.

This movie was a train wreck.

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If you refuse to read my post with enough consideration then you should just go away. I was reacting to an earlier post that harped on about gayness and religon, so yes, I had a bit of an issue.

I didn't automatically assume that you were homophobic and I don't think this movie deserves an oscar, however I did enjoy it. Why should the movie be unsettling? There are so many movies that show 14 and 15 year olds in sexual relationships and just because they are heterosexual people lap it up? I am straight too and also have many gay friends, I just don't differenciate myself as a different species (I am not saying that you do, by the way.)

I enjoyed the dialogue and the characters, so sue me! And no, I don't want to hear a bible-bashing person ranting about one isolated aspect of the movie without actually backing up accusations with actual facts from the movie. Take a look, there are so many more negative posts on sexuality than anything else on these boards. Can people please start talking about the actual movie? My life is actually fine, thanks, so go find another movie to fall asleep in!

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"Please, go away! Why do pregudiced people always assume that they can use religion to justify their own discriminations? And I admire that student becuase he practiced TOLERANCE, which is far more important than condemming something as normal as schoolboy banter.

Take your normal and shove it, if you don't get that this movie was about so much more that sex (of any orientation) then I really don't want to hear it!"


I read your post carefully. Perhaps you should choose your words more carefully. Tolerance? Remember this: "Take your normal and shove it,"? Is that your idea of tolerance?

This is a discussion board where people from all walks of life debate the merits (or lack thereof) of different films. If you don't agree with someone else's opinion, that doesn't mean they shouldn't express it.

When you read 1984, did you sympathise with Winston or Big Brother?

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I might be the one with the most politically incorrect viewpoint in here, but I didn't have a problem with this movie at all. Such are the rewards of the smugly indifferent.

Bigot: One who is obstinately and zealously attached to an opinion that you do not entertain.

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I agree with you and will recant somewhat... I was over emotive there. However, my sentiments remain the same. By using the word tolerance there I was using it in a very specific context of what the movie portrayed to me.

As you so clearly (and correctly) pointed out, there are people of all persuations, beliefs and origins on these posts. So I really do think that religious comments and beliefs should be curbed and expressed in a more tactful manner. I don't want to hear someone claiming to have the right to judge other people on these boards. I was commenting on the acceptiblity of such comments. I am all for other people's opinions being expressed, but not if they are offensive to those of us that read them.

To tell you the honest truth, I last read 1984 in school and am so fuzzy on the details that I would rather not make too much of an ass of myself by attempting to answer that question right now.

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I don't have a problem with gay marriage or anything such as that, it just seems odd(impropable) that out of all the boys who were to go to Cambridge or Oxford only three or four of the eight were possibly completely straight.

-SH.

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out of all the characters in the movie/play, only 3 were gay: Hector, Posner, and Irwin. Dakin did like to experiment, but that doesn't make him gay. The rest of the boys were all straight, so that's lockwood, scripps, akthar, timms, crowther, and rudge. Including Dakin, that's 7 of the 8....where did you only find 3 or 4?

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Yes! The original post was so right. Yes, yes, yes! It is over the top gay. This movie is in part Alan Bennett's wish fulfillment fanatay and he is gay, a legitimate position but a minority one. Bennett has great talent and it's a terrific movie but it was created in Bennett's gay mind. The idea of school teachers as sexual predators and students as sexual predators, too, is disgusting but part of the nature of reality. It's not defensible but it happens. This movie is for mature thinkers but does not reflect every bodies mind just that of the brilliant, challenging, and gay mind of Alan Bennett.

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NOWHERE does this film portray pedophilia. The boys are all 17/18



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If you think the movie went nowhere than clearly the problem is with you, not the movie.

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"I, too, found myself questioning why every male character had obvious gay tendencies."

What the f&ck??? Every male character? What were Rudge's obvious gay tendencies? What were the headmaster's obvious gay tendencies? What were Timms's obvious gay tendencies? What were Lockwood's obvious gay tendencies? What were Akhtar's obvious gay tendencies?

You made the argument now defend it

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And I admire that student becuase he practiced TOLERANCE,


there was no tolerance in this movie. what it was, was a group of horny guys using whatever person they could find - male or female (but mostly male).

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I'm gay and I thought this film was appalling. I really can't see what all the fuss is about and why it's been praised so much. The portrayal of sexuality is extremely confused and the film confuses homosexuality with paedophilia - something I'm surprised seems to have gone over most people's heads and more people aren't saying. The guy who is a kiddy fiddler (Hector) is treated like a hero in the film, and even Irwin is eventually portrayed as considering acting on his feelings towards Dakin. The thing that appalled me most of all thought was the future Posner at the end saying that he finds it hard "not to touch the boys". WTF????? What is this film on? A straight male teacher wouldn't be expected to "have difficulty" not touching female students!

Every adult gay male character in this film is portrayed as being attracted to children in their responsibility. If I was a teacher I would be furious at this portrayal. I know Alan Bennett is gay, but this film actually demonises gay people, by portraying them in all three cases (Hector, Irwin and Posner) as lonely, unhappy, spineless paedophiles destined to a life of unhappiness who have difficulty not acting on their feelings, not "touching" the boys. As professionals, this is ridiculous. Attraction to teenage pupils is presented as normal without explanation, as a standard form of homosexuality.

Other than the "gay" aspect, there is really very little to this film. All the other things it claims to be about are just by the wayside and play very little role in things. With the exception of Dakin, the kids' performances are also theatrical in the extreme, especially in the group and classroom scenes. They're not acting, it's blatantly obvious that they're just going through the motions, performing a series of pre-rehearsed set pieces and reading out lines they've read a thousand times.

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Well, it was originally a play and I enjoyed that atmosphere. It's not for everyone, but you can't call it pointless.

Just to clarify: while a teacher touching a pupil is completely inappropriate, you can't call it paedophilia. That completely misses the point of this mental illness and, in my mind, trivialises it. Hector fondled boys over the legal age. Completely out of order and a violation of space; harassment, molestation possibly, but not paedophilia!!!!!

I think Bennett is not trying to set a standard, I think he just took a very specific situation with very specific characters in mind and tried to explore all the angles. I have been taking history since school and have it now in university and, in my experience, this movie is about so much more than "gayness".

And I think its pretty ridiculous to limit a play-write/director to a theme just because he happens to have a certain sexual orientation. Its like saying that all of Roman Pollansky's movies are about paedophilia, it's just narrow minded and a little more than silly.

Stop minimalising the important issues and blowing up the more trivial/auxillary aspects of the movie.

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Furry.....I really appreciated your take on this film. Thanks.

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To start with, I'm not a homophobe. but i did find the homosexual aspect of the film to a bit unerving. It's hard to explain but it just seemed like the inclusion of a lot of it was unnecessary to the plot (mainley the daken and Irwin thing). I think what bugged me wasn't that many people so accepted it, but rather then none of the kids seemed at all disturbed by it. It made the characters seem painfully hollow. The only two characters that seemed to have any real depth were Rudge and the religious one (can't remember his name). It just made the entire movie seem like I was watching lifeless characters (To no fault of the actors). The movie "stayed" with me for all of 2 seconds after I saw it.

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It wasnt so much the homosexuality but the blatant denial of the breach of trust in the student-teacher relationship. Lines that shouldn't be crossed lead to situations like underage fondling and "molestation" which are one in the same though one is on someone defined by the law as "underage" and the other is an identical physical breach of trust on one adult by another.

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You know what I think? This movie IS ABOUT homosexuality. It IS ABOUT a teacher that molests/fondles his students and the f**ck'd up way they respond by putting him on a pedestal. (It's almost like a weird form of Stokholm Syndrome). This movie IS ABOUT making people think. If it didn't make you think, then you probably weren't paying attention. And if one more person writes: "Some of my best friends are gay!" I think my head will explode! That is not a disclaimer to be ignorant. There a lot of very dumb-a** gay people in the world too.

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Surely the film is about much more than homosexuality? What about history, sexual harassment, the education system? Why is it that in this day and age, when we are supposedly 'civilised', the major issue with this film is that some of the characters are gay? One of my main concerns is the seeming acceptance of Fiona's being a sexual object and little more. Or the ease with which the pupils control the teachers. Aren't those equally, if not more, important issues than 'Posner fancies Dakin'?

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You also need to understand that American society is sexually uptight and repressed. Most of the rest of the free world, Especially Europe, are far more accepting, freethinking, and at ease with sexuality. Bi-sexuality is considered pretty much the norm. Sexual experimentation is very normal and common in youth, but in the United States, it is "hush-hush," we prefer to pretend it is undesirable and doesn't exist.

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Well, I wouldn't say it's the norm, but it probably more tolerated. We're hypocritical too so, at that time, were far more likely to be tolerant to people who were not 'in your face' about their sexual tastes - straight, gay, whatever.

In reality, I think Posner would have had to keep his mouth shut about how he felt for Dakin - but in a play the characters have to state how they feel. Film has more options, but this is very much a film of the play.

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I'm not a germaphobe, some of my closest friends are germs, but the way the characters were inhaling and exhaling was appalling. My girlfriend who is in a coma, just could not be bothered by all of this 'breathing' and rightfully she is on a ventilator. I swear the way the main germ kept sneezing and coughing was way over the top. Someone should definitely put a stop to this type of disgusting behavior. And the lack of car chases, blood sport and girl on girl scenes was offputting.

I do think richiedecesare saw a totally different movie, what with the line, " If the youth were so comfortable sucking each other off they wouldnt be calling each other fags and poofs" maybe there was too much vaseline on the remote.

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Meow, richie. posting a private message on a public bulletin board isn't the brightest thing, but then again neither are you it seems. put the claws in and stop ruining the furniture, schmuck.

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Quoting would help getting that 'point' across, name calling doesn't. Apparently, you're wrong with regards to 'nested', but I'm sure it's not the first, nor would it be the last. But really, writing "If the youth were so comfortable sucking each other off they wouldn't be calling each other fags and poofs.' is that the best way to carry a conversation? Whatevs, we can chalk it up to your 'experience'...LOL.

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Ummm... I think there was actually an intelligent conversation going on before you people got involved.
I'd like to say regarding my original post that I do think the boys in the film held the teacher up on a "pedestal". They all felt that they were allowed into a special little club by being fondled by him. They also looked down on the young kid for his not being mature enough to be alevated to their level. They definitely wanted to please their professor, even if they did make fun of him. And the fact that they all came to his defense at the end?!?!? They realized that they owed a lot to him. They probably would never have gotten into the University without him!

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Actually, I'm an American and I'm only 17. I found this movie quite interesting and a bit mind boggling in certain scenes. You have to remember the time period this movie was supposed to take place and keep an open mind about it all. It's better to absorb all aspects of a movie before you criticize it.

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This movie was so gay Micheal Jackson threw up. I'm about to break the disc is sucks so bad.

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