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i wish that there were real teachers like this.


honestly i really do.
no teacher gave a time of day to me or anyone else in high school, im not from the 'ghetto' or 'was a bad kid'

wish more teachers were this way.

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Yes I agree 110% This movie has inspired me to study in college to be a teacher because like you said there should be more teachers like Erin and I see kids everyday talking about how there teachers won't help them or anything. It's sad!

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I am a high school teacher and trust me you will not end up like her, you will not inspire all, you WILL help the ones that want it. Trust me the kids that are saying "I never get help" from this teacher or that teacher dont actually want it. They want to lay their laziness off as being someone elses fault theyre failing. You can say it all you want about how great youre going to be or how much youre going to care but trust me you cant care and try and "save" the ones that dont want it. At first you will try to get to them but its a lost cause for most of the ones who dont want the help they just want to do as little as possible and then have someone give them a free ride at the end of grading period.

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I do agree with you, but I am wondering....if you're a teacher, why do you have so many misspellings in your post?!! I'm guessing you teach math or science?

It's odd that you're a teacher and you incorrectly spell "theyre," "youre," "dont," and "help the ones that want it" instead of "help the ones WHO want it." Perhaps you typed it on a device that didn't allow apostrophes?

Good points in your post though, teachers cannot reach everyone!

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Aren't you simply assuming that that person teaches in the English medium?

In the words of Otto:
Zeppelin Rulllesss!!

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Nope, I'm just amazed that someone would claim to be a teacher, yet misspell basic words. Math and science teachers tend to have worse spelling than their colleagues who teach English or history, because their subject matter (math) isn't dependent on spelling things correctly.

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You're missing my point.. the person you're talking about could be teaching in Arabic or Hindi or French or Chinese speaking regions of the world. Just because someone is a teacher doesn't make them knowledgeable in English. That's a really arrogant assumption.

In the words of Otto:
Zeppelin Rulllesss!!

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Your post sounds like so many teachers that I have worked with. They are only capable of helping kids that want to be helped. A teacher inspires those who DO NOT want the help initially. Most teachers don't get this, and they sound a lot like yourself.

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exactly!

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I'm a teacher also (Science), and whilst you are somewhat right, it's not that straightforward. Try helping behavioural kids with ADHD. You might get things through to them sometimes, but it requires a lot of one on one time and you sacrifice time for other kids too. A lot of classes are mixed ability. I have a Year 9 class with academic, middle ground, low ability, learning difficulty and behavioural kids. You need to be able to get to ALL of them at the same time.

In the movie, she had an entire class of low ability behavioural kids. This means she one has to teach to one style. There was no real differentiation in her methods, she didn't need it. It makes it a lot easier.

I love engaging students and having all students learn, but teaching is nothing like in the movie really. Especially since it was a special case class, where a lot of the kids were basically homeless or family-less.

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I have had students who claimed that their "teachers won't help them or anything". What this frequently boiled down to is that their teachers were eager to help them, but required the students to put in their share of the effort. Teachers commonly offer tutoring or study help to students, yet sit in empty classrooms waiting for students to come and get the assistance. Teachers commonly explain different ways to accomplish things, yet are ignored by students. What a lot of students mean when they say they want "help" is that they want someone else to do their work for them, or excuse them from doing the work.


Early in my teaching career, I spent two years teaching English and ESL at an "urban" "Title One" high school.

My "case load" during the school year was from 120-180 students. Because I was an eager new teacher, and the teaching textbooks recommended such things, I went in an hour early and opened my classroom for tutoring/small group study for 45 minutes every morning. My normal attendance for morning tutoring was only 1-4 students.

I spent hours each week on the telephone trying to contact parents to set up meetings and get them involved in helping their students to succeed. I attended my students sporting events and other extracurricular activities to support them in the areas where they worked and achieved - and used those events to meet their coaches and parents, and got them involved in helping to translate that type of effort and success into academic effort and success.

I was one of the first teachers into the building every morning, and was often thrown out by the custodial staff so they could lock the building at night. I spent well over 10% of my pre-tax income on books and supplies for my classroom, because many of my students came from homes where there was not a single book. I found three slightly older computers, installed Word on them, and linked them to a printer, so students could do word processing in my room. I worked with outside organizations to get grants to bring books and materials into my classroom. During our school breaks, I hosted study groups for my students at local coffee shops and libraries, worked on curriculum development with some of my colleagues, caught up with my grading, and attended seminars on how to improve my teaching skills. I had no personal life during that time - my garden died off, I didn't date, and became a stranger to friends and family.

My average student entered my class with a reading level five grades below what they should have entered with. My average student raised their reading level by almost three grade levels while in my class (a better average improvement than almost any other English teacher in our district). Writing skills improved at a similar level.

Since they started so far below grade level, this means that they still didn't finish the year at the proper grade level (despite the improvement). Some say that I "failed" as a teacher, because students were not exiting my class at grade level (never mind that they had been socially advanced through five years or more before ever reaching me). Some say that I am too strict or demanding. Some say I don't get it", or am "out of touch", because of my age, skin color, and first career. Most say that I'm a good teacher. Some of my former students tell me that I am the best teacher they ever had - that study skills and attitudes that they learned from me are the thing that kept them out of prison, allowed them to graduate, convinced them to go to college, or helped them to reach other goals - wile that group includes students who merely came to class ready to learn, it also includes almost every student that showed up regularly for those morning tutoring/study skills sessions - the ones who chose to accept the help I offered to them. It also includes most of the students who I was lucky enough to have for a second year - students who I could get right into the teaching with, instead of having to spend time developing the teacher-student relationship, and establishing respect and boundaries with.

I am not a remarkable teacher - I am better than average, but not remarkable. There are a lot of real teachers who are "like this".

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As a fellow teacher, I agree that no teacher can reach 100% of the kids, 100% of the time. However, I DO believe that ALL children can be reached at least once by SOME teacher . . . so if you do become a teacher, try your best, all the time, with every single child you meet. Don't EVER decide that a child "doesn't care" or that his parents "don't care" and don't pay attention to anyone else in the school building that tries to convince you of such. Treat every child as if they did care with their whole heart and make every single child you have in your class realize that they matter to you. If you don't make that important connection within one school year, you will at least help lay the foundation for it to happen with a future teacher.

I don't believe that ANY child "doesn't care." I just believe that some children grow up in such chaos that they don't understand HOW to care in a way that is productive. There are so many children in the public school system these days whose basic needs have never been met and they become skillfull at hiding this or *pretending* like they don't care, when sadly, it's a defense mechanism.

Come on, it's HUMAN NATURE to care. I'm NOT saying that lazy students don't exist or that students *always* put forth their best effort. But the idea that a child "doesn't care" is quite poisonous. If you ever get that feeling, dig a bit deeper and you might be surprised at what you find.

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This is an excellent post. This is so true. So many teachers are the complete opposite of this.

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This

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Cami_b there are many real teachers like this, there are in fact over 300 in the United States and several in Canada. Ms G and her Foundation are about to train 90 more, this summer.

http://www.freedomwritersfoundation.org

The tough kid who had the comic/cartoon drawn about him became a middle school math teacher and now teaches at his old middle school. The cartoon shown in the movie, is the one drawn in her class that day in 1994. Ms G showed it to me last year at the National Council Teachers of English conference here in Orlando.

Eliot Lemoncelli
Freedom Writer/Teacher

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That is so cool. When I'm a teacher, I'll attempt to attend an event or invite her to talk at my school. One more year.

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Middle of the road kids don't often get much special attention from teachers. That is usually reserved for the uber-keeners and troublemakers.

This is why parents need to be engaged with their children's schooling.


Smart went crazy... where did you go?

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There ARE teachers like this. They're just hard to find. A good example is my last year's history teacher. I was in his AP European History class, but he also taught World Cultures, which is like a toned down version of AP Euro. He actually got kids excited about learning and involved in what he was teaching. I once cried when he was teaching about WWI, because instead of taking something at the surface he made sure we realized what an atrocity it really was. If one of his students had a C or lower, instead of just blowing it off, they felt really sorry about it, even if they were the type that didn't usually care. Like I said, there are good teachers out there, but they are hard to find, sadly.

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