Does it bother anyone that they put him away for a murder that didn't happen.
I know he was sorta psycho, but still after he raped her they could've just gone with that instead of false murder. Yea they didn't know he may rape her, but come on faking your murder to get rid of him is a bit harsh. I liked the movie until that point.
And if he hadn't been drugged would he actually have killed her?
Just my thought.
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One in a way he already got away with conivnibg her brother to kill himself,had something to do with the friend's death and back with his parnets,so while you can say hes finally paying for the other things he did do
shareNo, because we know he commited many murders prior. I think if he'd just been a creep but not a murderer, then that would have bothered me. But I sort of thought it poetic justice -- we know he's killed at least three people, his mum, dad and his "wife" so whom else has he killed?
But since he'd gotten away with other murders, no. If he hadn't done, it would have bothered me, but since we knew he'd killed others and walked, this was sort of the only way it could have ended?
BUT I will say that bringing her "back to life" was rather Hollywood. I was sort of excited at the idea that they would kill of the main character, as I've been watching American TV for a few years and they never do that in these sort of movies. I felt it was sort of a cheap trick.
But no, I was pleased that he was in murder, would have preferred it if they'd ended with a siren going off somewhere that hints that he'd escaped or sommat, I think that would have been more fun, but I was pleased in general with the ending.
I do understand your reservations, tho.
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i dont think it was a cheap trick AT ALL. That was the ENTIRE POINT of the ending. He would always have gotten away with murder. thats actually what made me suspicious toward the end when they found the blood. I thought "brendan would never have left blood behind. He would be too careful and somehow brainwash the cops into believing him". The only way he could ever be caught was for him to be set up, which involves her NOT dying.
the ending was fabulous, especially since the entire movie I was thinking "GOD miranda! You're an IDIOT!" She was terrible at explaining things and was so submissive I wanted to smack her. Finally she did something smart which I think redeemed her whole character.
~Rhea
"To know about the Giggle Loop is to become part of the Giggle Loop"
I liked the fact that through the whole movie we think all the women are classic Hollywood nitwits: trusting, jealous of one another, and habitually stupid enough to go home alone when there's a psychopath after them. I really enjoyed the way that stereotype of thrillers got turned inside out, so that the apparent stupidity was all part of the plan.
shareI just finished watching it for the first time, I liked it.
I realise a body being found isn't necessary for someone being convicted of murder, but there was no questioning at all about where the body was!
The insinuation was that he'd cut her up in the bath, but then what?
I didn't have a huge problem with Brendan being framed for murder (I do get your point though), as he *did* have it coming, and I believe he did have it "in him". It might have been nice to have had him discussing his appeal with his solicitor at the end or something though.
I thought David Tennant was *deliciously nasty* as a psycho and I sort of wanted Brendan to have followed the family to Australia with a big knife! :D:D
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I thought David Tennant was *deliciously nasty* as a psycho and I sort of wanted Brendan to have followed the family to Australia with a big knife!
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Ha that would be great.
And yea it was weird they didn't question anything about the body. It seems most cases usually only happen after a body has been found, otherwise it's difficult to prove the person did it.
Oh well, I think it was mostly because David Tennant is so gorgeous that I felt he didn't deserve it.
The Doctor: Fantastic!
Also, my family would kill me themselves if I pulled a stunt like that without them being in on it!
Oh well, I think it was mostly because David Tennant is so gorgeous that I felt he didn't deserve it.
i know exactly what you mean although he played a sick character i still wanted to jump into the screen and save him! but then again i think that if it would have been a different actor playing his part i wouldnt have felt the same so im my opinion although he is a brill actor he shouldnt play nasty characters cus i end up liking them!
Brendan deserved all he got, but have to agree with Frin's comment, it was a very cruel thing for Miranda to do to her parents, especially as another of their children had died young. But isn't a flawed heroine much more fun than a goody two-shoes?
I'm afraid however gorgeous a man is, if he raises his hand to a woman, whatever the reason, he deserves to pay for it. In fact, to be fair, I'll change that to any domestic violence is just wrong, whether it's man hitting woman, or woman hitting man.
No, Mr Tennant can't terrorise me thanks very much, I'd rather have a friendly chat with him! He can kiss me goodbye at the end of the chat if he likes, I don't think I'd object at all!
No, Mr Tennant can't terrorise me thanks very much, I'd rather have a friendly chat with him! He can kiss me goodbye at the end of the chat if he likes, I don't think I'd object at all!
Here, here. NO ONE, but NO ONE, terrorizes me.
Also, Miranda violated one of the highest Smart Girl rules, Never, ever invite a strange man home and have sex with him no matter how attractive or charming he is.
"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face" 1 Corinthians 13:12
people are forgetting here that he's already killed or coerced to kill FOUR people, which is more than enough to get him prison for life. He also is a TOTAL sociopathic psycho and would totally keep doing this to women.
Of course theres some small instinctual part of my brain involving my love for david tennant so its screaming "noo! protect him!" hehe
but still, im glad brendan got whats comin! And did anyone else think he was fantastically gorgeous standing against the prison wall at the end? *fangirl sigh*
~Rhea
"To know about the Giggle Loop is to become part of the Giggle Loop"
Of course theres some small instinctual part of my brain involving my love for david tennant so its screaming "noo! protect him!" hehe
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I know exactly what you mean! I was glad the guy got what was coming to him but that was the only part that I wished David hadn't been playing the character...I didn't want him in jail!
So in that respect, it did bother me, but (with difficulty!) moving on from my obsessions with David Tennant, it was a really good idea and a very sneaky and clever plot. A good twist too - I didn't suspect a thing until they arrived at the airport like it was huge deal being there.
The only thing that I didn't agree with was the blood. Who's was it? There was too much for one person to leak out at once and not die/be too weak to then run away. So if it wasn't Miranda's, then whose was it? But it must have been Miranda's blood, because the police would've DNA'd it. If they hadn't, there'd have been no case for murder. Slightly confuddling.
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It was Miranda's blood; his new g/f was a nurse and they planned it all before hand, they show a little clip of her taking blood from Miranda when they flash back to what really happened.
Course what I don't get is how you can get someone with no body and no evidence except a bloody key with his print.
The Doctor: Fantastic!
It bothers ME that all the evidence for any murders/coercion is purely circumstantial! Where is the evidence that he killed his parents or Laura or that he did indeed coerce Troy to kill himself? Bearing all that in mind he still is a very ill individual...if you ask me he should be in an institution for the mentally disturbed, not prison.
OK...becoming way too involved in a second-rate drama here!! Thank goodness for Tennant in this programme: he saves it.
Maybe Brendan didn't mean for Troy or Laura to die. Maybe he was only using them to get closer to Miranda and it got out fo control? You never know, maybe he was trying so hard to get bacvk at her, he didn't realise just how much damage he was doing to Troy, maybe he just wanted to turn him against her. And with Laura, maybe the police are right, she might have just got drunk. We don't know!
shareNo, Brendan meant for them to die... Coercing Troy into killing himself was a good way to really shake up the Cotton family and really get at Miranda, and killing Laura ensured that he inherited what money she had, plus the profits from selling her house.
Brendan was a truly evil, sadistic and twisted man and deserved what he got. He ruined Miranda's life in the most cruel and unimaginable ways. It was also obvious that he was the one who started the fire that killed his parents and injured his sister, so he is someone who has murdered, therefore very much capable of doing it again.
He also raped Miranda and went to kill her - People can say that he was drugged when he grabbed the knife and burst into Miranda's bathroom, but I believe that there was no way he would have let her live after raping her - She would have gone to the police.
So no, it doesn't bother me.
Although, the David Tennant fan inside me enjoyed every minute of this... Does that make me sick? It also says that it would have been awesome if Brendan had somehow escaped and hunted the Cotton family down, exacting his revenge.
I make a point not to go out with women who shoot me in the head! - Dante
I've really enjoyed reading all the comment, and anyone who loves Tennant is a good person in my book!!
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IMO, the point about SS is that Brendan is *not* a full on, evil, certifable psychopath at all. He's a bad 'un, certainly, definitely not a good person, but I think his character is meant to show that he's an egotist, an overly controlling and manipulative person, the kind who can be found in real life, probably more often than we're comfortable acknoweldging! Brendan might be the kind of wrong 'un some of us have dated, but we got out of it rather earlier than Miranda did, so we avoided the nasty vindictive stalkerish follow-on [and I'm leaving aside the blood and gore included in the film for dramatic effect]. I don't believe he killed Troy or the girl in the bath. Troy was clearly in enough emotional strife and finding the world a hard place. Suicide seems likely for him, imo. As for the girl in the bath, she ran away with her best friend's sister's fiancee on the very eve of the wedding - she lost so many browny point by that, I can imagine she would drown her sorrows, slip, hit her head and drown in the bath. I reckon that the drama of SS is created by Miranda's actions. Her [understandable] desire to be avenged on Brendan causes her to take certain steps which set in motion a whole host of reactions which culminate in his taking even stronger steps to preserve what he has gained/to prevent him from losing what he has acquired, albeit probably dishonestly. [No, I am not at all excusing his rape of her. That is utterly inexcusable. It's also, dramatically, a wasted crime, since she appears to recover from it with staggering rapidity, shows no emotional or physical trauma at all, and it is not mentioned again in the plot! What's that all about?] But nor can I excuse her setting him up in the way she does. A swag of people like Brendan, are maybe are 'taken in' by him, but Miranda's goading of him is what causes his personality to grow more desperate. From the beginning, he's dishonest, yes, if we take what his sister says. He's probably a con artist, yes. He seduces willing women, yes. He befriends people who are close to these women, yes. He has a nasty temper, yes. He makes some uncomfortable threats, yes. But so have/so do loads of smug, smarmy, self satisfied, guys on the make, exactly like Brendan. They are uncomfortable to be around, but these qualities alone don't a serial murderer make. For my money, the drama works best if Miranda bcomes the prime mover, and Brandan is the comparatively unwitting catalyst for her misjudged revenge activities. It may be a testament to Tennant's acting, but I felt sorry to see Brendan carted off by the police, then found guilty and then shoved into gaol while all the while Miranda is not dead at all but is swanning around Australia. [Had it been my family, the parents would not have been pleased to have her back, after her putting them through such grief for so long!]
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but we got out of it rather earlier than Miranda did, so we avoided the nasty vindictive stalkerish follow-on
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She broke-up with him only ten days after they started going out.
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[Had it been my family, the parents would not have been pleased to have her back, after her putting them through such grief for so long!]
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I would've been pissed off, and shouldn't they sort of care that their daughter lied to the police and everyone (including them) to get a man put in prison with appallingly (sp) bad evidence and circumstances.
Can I just mention I can't believe this post is still going.
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If I were Miranda, I'd go on letting those jerks think me dead. I mean, what the hell was their problem? Their daughter told them he was a creep, but they were all, "Brandon's practically a son to us" after - how long? Miranda was their daughter and they chose a stranger over her?
I'd have said "Good Riddance" to them.
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The bloody keys had Miranda's blood and he claimed to not have the keys to begin with. That lie alone makes them doubt his story, if he lied about having the keys, which were covered in her blood, then what else could he have lied about? The amount of blood around the flat, the plastic garbage bags and duct tape make a pretty convincing story as to what happened. Other people have been convicted with no bodies found. A bit of a sampler... http://www.seattlepi.com/local/179898_navyside29x.html
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I get that and that's why I'm torn about the ending. It just doesn't seem right for someone to pay for a crime they didn't commit even if they deserve it. And in his case, I'm not sure he did. Not because he's David Tennant, but because the guy was mentally ill. Yes, he was a dangerous person. Yes, he did horrid things. But he needed to be locked up in a psychiatric facility and not in prison.
shareOnly thing which bothered me in this movie was that a guy like this gets one girlfriend after another. Well they didn't know at first that hes a psycho, but hes so slimy I get goosebumps just thinking about it =x Yuck!
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it bother me a lot. he did rape Miranda and should go to prison for that, but he didn't kill her. And we don't actually know if he was the reason why Miranda's brother committed suicide or her friend died, we only know that Miranda thinks he did. I really hated the end, I was so happy he got locked away until I realised she wasn't really dead
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the fact that he was innocent did bother me a little at first, but when you keep in mind all the lives he's ruined, who's to say that he dodesn't deserve to have his life ruined as well. but if you still think that 22 years (at least)in jail is too harsh for a crime he didn't commit, keep in mind that he went for the knife and, thinking it was still in his hand, tried to stab her anyway. She got lucky that the drugs kicked in at the time cause if he had just a little bit more composure he would have been able to hold on to the knife and possibly had gone through with it.
i love the ending, both as a film and as a story. The director didn't really do much with the camera till the very end, but when they revealed that he never picked up the knife and stabbed her i damn near flew all the way to england just to shake their hand then and there. So simple and yet so effective, especially with the shot of his trunk the next morning. the moment they went back to the graves it struck me that they had never found the body, and everything fell into place in my head.
No - the bitch that got him was karma. Or to put it in a less superstitious, and more literarily correct way: it was poetic justice.
shareIt would bother me big time in real life, but in movie terms it's more or less like Dirty Harry or some Bruce Willis macho monkey blowing away evil badguys without due process--only with a lot more class and finesse.
The most enjoyable bit was that they worked it out so that Block could figure out exactly what had happened to him and how he had been pwned. And since he was a sociopath who always believed fervently in his own innocence and entitlement, it was important to the revenge that he be actually innocent in the end.