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Why can't Americans watch originals ?


I came across an advertisement for school for scoundrels, and couldn't believe that they had dared to touch such a classic.

I haven't seen it, and I won't see it, it couldn't be a patch on the original with Terry Thomas and Alistair Sim. You've only got to listen to Terry Thomas' voice to start laughing, no-one can call someone a bounder, like he can or indeed say "hard cheese" and have you rolling about laughing.

I just wonder though why it is that the Americans can't seen to be able to watch a movie or TV show in it's origional form ? After all, I seem to be able to watch Frasier, The Shield, Battlestar Galactica (which interestingly gives someinsight to the mentality of TV producers, Apollo - hero - British actor - can't have that, make him have an american accent. Dr Baltar - Baddie - British actor - Not a problem, let him have an english accent)or any number of American shows without any problem whatsoever.

The funny thing is (and you'd have thought that they would have realised by now) that re-makes rarely work it's like a cake, you cant get a recipie for a cake and change the ingredients and expect it to turn out the same.

Next thing you know they'll be taking the excellent Life on Mars an re-making that.... Oh hang about...too late

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Well, It isn't "Americans", it's Hollywood that's doing it. And they do it because they like money, and instead of investing in producing a movie that is original, they invest in an idea or a remake of a movie that has proven to be somewhat of a hit already. It's a way of playing it safe. It's all about money, not quality.

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Yes, but if money is the argument, wouldn't it be cheaper to just re-release the original movie ?

By the way, just in case people are thinking that my original post was anti-american, I honestly didn't intend it that way, I like america, I've been there many times and will probably go many times more.

But why is it, that producers feel that you can't watch a show unless it has been americanised ?

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I've never seen the original. I didn't know it existed. I'm Canadian.
I would like to see the original but where is it?
Isn't made in the 60's and black and white?

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"Isn't it made in the 60s, and black and white"?

Reaction 1:

"Ergo, yes: it's infinitely superior."

Reaction 2:

"Your point is...?"

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Personally, I don't like old movies, especially black and white. I like things to be "updated" and it doesn't hurt if they have people I recognize in them.

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Lucky you.

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I don't like Stars Wars because it isn't in hologram form and doesn't have sensory output. Yeahhhh, right.

Even a modern colour film falls a long way short of realism so what difference does b&w make? I watch films to see the story and the ideas not the technology.

As for people you recognise - For an actor to be recognised in a part is a failure of his work as an actor. They are supposed to become the character. I know the practicalities are that it's very hard for the actor to totally disappear, as (IMHO) only Dustin Hoffman can, but surely the less the intrusion the better?

It's become a sad fact of life that to make money it's best to front with a well-known name, whereas to make a great film it's best to use unknowns. Therefore, to be a great film and to be a box office hit is very difficult as the two are mutually exclusive.

kimdino

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Going by your title, what makes you think we don't watch the originals? You think that just because a movie is remade that we automatically go see it without bothering with the first one? That's a bit presumptuous of Americans.

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School for Scoundrels is a book. The two movies are based on the same book.

I could ask the question:

"Why can't you appreciate the original work by reading the book instead of watching an inferior movie version of it?"

My question seems stupid to you? It is. But yours is just as stupid.

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The original film was named "School for Scoundrels" and based on a book, named "Oneupmanship", written by Stephen Potter, as the more recent film seems to be. They bear very little resemblance to each other. The types of humour are so different. The one is subtle and clever, the other is gauche and obvious - and crude. No subtlety there.
It seems possible that the titles were only coincidentally alike. Nobody in the first film shot anybody in the genitals. The tennis match was very funny - not vicious.
I will repeat the original question, because I really can't accept the lame excuses given as reasons.

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So that settles it. The two movies are based off the same book, but they are nothing alike and the 2006 version is in no way a remake of the 60s version.

So why talk about the "original" when this movie is not a remake?

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So that settles it. The two movies are based off the same book


Books as in plural, the books being "One Upmanship" and "Lifemanship" both written by Stephen Potter...

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Fraiser is a spin off...


Well that pretty much ruins your whole post. Have a nice day!

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I totally agree with you. Unfortunately, I went that extra mile and actually saw this sad, pathetic remake. They did exactly the same with that other English classic, "The Ladykillers" a couple of years back with Tom Hanks. It seems to me that these days a script laced with endless "shee-its!" or "hey, mother****er!" is an acceptable alternative to sharp, witty dialogue. Oh well, such is life. I have many American friends who love eccentric English comedies like "Monty Python", "Blackadder", and "Mr Bean" but there are major differences between English and American humour, and some things just cannot be translated succesfully from one country to the other. And did you really have to remind me that "Life on Mars" is to be given the American TV remake treatment??? You sure know how to hurt a guy...

British by birth - English by The Grace of God

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I fear this discussion will spiral into the old well-trodden path of UK vs US. To get back to the actual subject, it isn't that Hollywood (Hollywood is NOT America - just as I don't consider the British film industry to represent me, thank God) insists on remaking classic Brit fayre, it's that Hollywood insists on remaking classic films of all genres. While there is an awful lot of originality about, there is also a lot of finance money chasing around for projects that are sure to get bums on seats. Remakes are felt to be good, bankable commodities and so long as old and new audiences keep going to see them, the money will keep following them. Don't get me wrong - I think some remakes are superior to the originals and are different enough to stand alone, but I would rather see some of that money going on producing original, new material.

"Someone has been tampering with Hank's memories."

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Why can't non-Americans stop being so jealous of Americans? Be smarter than that... We're not obsessed with "Why do the British have a television station in America about American news?" How dumb is that. Bloody 'ell -- report on your own news you dirty wankers!" Worry about your own sodding "why do's" old chap.

I learned that blimey language from watching original British flicks - which I luv , Luv.

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I'm totally lost trying to watch a british move. Those things need subtitles so you can understand what they are saying..

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Because, even though the movie is classic the time setting is off and no one born after 1985 can grasp the concept of the 1960's life style.

It's impossible to grasp it, there is no way to experience that amount of freedom in this day and age.

Also back then the top concern of the dating community was succeeding in a career to start a family.

Now it's getting over the fear of approach so you can meet people because there is so much pressure for a guy to preform effortlessly.


This movie was about manipulation, the other was about staying in a good mood.

two different ways to influence people and two different stand points.

I already know how to stay in a good mood, I am not familure with manipulation.
And Billy Bob is the king of manipulation.

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First - to snake-63,
I hear many US viewers complain of not being able to follow London gangster films because of the language, these are a lot truer to English than most US speech because it is - guess what - English. Has Hollywood ever even tried to put English subtitles on its output. No, it expects us to be able to follow a very mangled version of our language. However, as a good film is worth a bit of work we make the effort and can, usually, understand the great variations in pronounciation. As for vocabulary, regular, hood, fag, etc etc etc. I always thought that 'mother' was a term of endearment but apparently it is an aggressive insult in the US. To summarise - try to watch non-US films, it is well worth the effort. You may then even be able to enjoy some of the really great films from totally alien cultures.

Hey bamboopandacat,
I can understand the 60s lifestyle with no problem. By your argument noone is going to make a film with a setting earlier than 1950 as there will be no significant audience. And there is a whole mass of films (e.g. 'Gone with the wind' for one) that were failures that nobody could understand?

Also, the 60's version was all about manipulation. How can it be interpreted otherwise? The great 'Potter' - 'Mr Palfrey' - 'Mr Potter' - 'Henry' dialogue was pure manipulation with neither feeling in a better mood for it, as was the pen & other parts.


I haven't seen the US 'School for Scoundrels' ( and see no point in doing so) so please excuse me if I talk about "The Ladykillers' instead as a prime example of why this remake mania seems so odd. The 1955 version has very little that could be improved upon. Alec Guinness as the creepy, but still charming, gang leader was great. He gave a totally believable appearance of someone appearing to remain in control while events crashed into ever greater disasters. The rest of the cast was great as well, even Peter Sellers played his part straight as the script was strong enough to not need any of his characterisations to be hilarious. For someone to try and beat Guinness's performance they would need to overemphasise the traits at the risk of hamminess, a trap Tom Hanks fell right into. The rest of the cast didn't fare much better.

So why waste millions remaking it instead of just rereleasing the 1955 version. Maybe because modern audiences could not understand the concept of holding up a security van, or the existence of sweet little old ladies, or that a high fall into a moving train is likely to be fatal. Ahh, I've got it, it's the concept of policemen walking around being helpful instead of screaming round in fast cars & holding people up at gunpoint.

To wrap up the post, I believe that the problem really lies in the consumerist obsession, the belief that something has to be new to be any good. Sorry, folks, but I'm afraid that believe as hard as you like but the reality is often otherwise.

kimdino

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Americans can't handle a 1984 film like "Nightmare on Elm Street" without needing a remake.

Doesn't matter if it's British-made or even American-made, Americans need "NEW" or it's unacceptable for their insatiable infant mouths.

Americans actually elected Gore in 2000, but the ones who voted for Bush wanted a re-make of Daddy Bush. They're the NASCAR clods. They want a remake of the last Transformers movie, ASAP.

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American's can watch originals but School for Scoundrels is an extremely obscure foreign film that didn't even have a DVD release at the time this film came out..

..seriously, though... I'm not a fan of remakes, either, but I'm tired of people whining whenever some film / TV show is remade into a modern film... c'mon!! ..about 60% of what Hollywood puts out is a direct remake of something that was already made.. the other 40% is a knock-off of existing cliches... it happens; get over it!

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