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Could the alleged hoax have been a conspiracy?


SPOILER ALERT: (dont read if u have not seen the movie).

I hate to be a conspiracy theorist, but isnt it possible that Irving did infact have meetings with Hughes and was later threatened and eventually forced to confess that they never happened. I think it is possible for many reasons (Nixon's neck being at risk for one). Isnt it also a bit strange that one author had the capacity to have all of the allegedly forged handwritings and colloquialisms be deemed authentic by experts.

PS. Someone may have already started a thread on this. if so, im sorry. just had to bring it up.

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"I hate to be a conspiracy theorist,"

Then don't, please.
Anything is possible, let's run with "likely."

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*bump*

I don't believe this is so, but I have a friend who does. So can anyone point to the contrary? Or prove the poster's point?

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Well, there's one scene, that if it is true, debunks the conspiracy.

It's towards the end, where Richard Gere's character is supposedly talking to the one guy that is part of Hughes' black ops crew that previously was thought to have kidnapped him. However, when we see the conversation from a different angle, Gere's character is only talking to himself, thinking that there's someone there, a la "A Beautiful Mind".

Furthermore, in another scene, with his sidekick (Alfred Molina), he was talking to him about how he was kidnapped and whisked away, but Alfred Molina said that he was never gone, that he was with him at home the entire time. He said they even discussed some things during the time that Gere's character was supposedly kidnapped and was talking to Hughes' people.

This suggests that Gere's character, while writing the "autobiography", became so involved in it, and mimicing Hughes' writing, speech, and mannerisms, that he mentally broke with reality and began imagining a lot of the events, notably the kidnappings and meetings with Hughes' people.

If you notice, neither his friend or his wife, nor anyone in the publishing house, are with him, or nearby, when he is supposedly kidnapped, with the exception of the one time I just mentioned above.

However, what does appear to be real is him getting the box of confidential documents from Hughes, regarding his political and financial dealings.

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Disclaimer: I'm watching the movie as we speak and I'm only 8.07 minutes into it (but had to see who the sexy woman was - didn't recognize her but what a body [not gay, but used to be a personal trainer and I love women's bodies!]).

You write well, your information makes sense and I love that you did not ever attempt to put someone down for making an observation and actually having the nerve to ask the question. Sheesh, this site alone will explain why children no longer raise their hand in class to let the teacher know they don't "get it."

Again, without having seen it yet, but have been lucky enough to publish true crime information, I do know writers, even when telling true stories (think: In Cold Blood), are allowed a bit of leeway. For instance, if I know a character well in real life, through diaries, letters, interviews, meetings, family, friends, etc., I may be able to create a totally believable conversation based on what the person really may have legitimately talked/acted/sounded, etc.

Both theories are highly possible. I love the intrigue on the original and it will make me watch more, perhaps twice, and could even inspire a review. Keep up the work guys, this is why watching movies IS educational and good for you!

Teraisa
Editor: True Crime Fanatic & Get It In Writing!
http://TrueCrimeFanatic.journalspace.com

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Oops, sorry, still only a few minutes into the movie, but I forgot to say that is Howard Hughes is involved in the storyline at all in real life... anything is possible. I grew up in the era when we did not understand perfectionism combined with OCD and you know, anything with him is extremely possible no matter how odd or how impossible seeming.

Teraisa
Editor: True Crime Fanatic & Get It In Writing!
http://TrueCrimeFanatic.journalspace.com

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If you look up the actual meaning of a conspiracy, all it means is that more than one person acted in secret to plan and/or perform an illegal act. Therefore, it WAS a conspiracy by definition.

It's a big problem with the mainstream populace that that definition is unknown. The very word usually causes a cognitive dissonance so that whenever someone just hears the word they dismiss it. And then when there's an actual conspiracy (i.e. iran-contra), it's immediately dismissed as "conspiracy theory".

The question should have been "was howard hughes involved"? i doubt it.

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