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Score is Not Original

posted 17 years ago by RealBlast3
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A great deal of the score is directly lifted from Wojciech Kilar's great score to Francis Ford Coppola's Bram Stoker's Dracula (1992). Especially, , most of the last half hour of the movie.

And when I say "lifted", I really mean "stolen", like copy and paste. Not just derivative or rip off but like they actually used the original music from Dracula, which is like a copyright infringement violation since they, as far as I know, did not get permission to use that movie's score, and they claim their score is original.

I have watched that Dracula movie many times, and would know its music anywhere, its also been used in alot of movie trailers, I can't beleive they got away with using it. Its only really used in the final 3rd of the movie, but it is used pretty extensively in that final 3rd. I guess nobody cared becasue its a straight to video release, but its still a crime.

At least in my opinion.

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[–] dirtyharry16 17 years ago

SUE!! Don't watch this unless you want to watch a fraud on screen!

[–] Filmmaker84 17 years ago

I posted about this in another topic but The main theme is From "what lies beneath" and the scene where the kids are getting shot with arrows in the lake is from " Hollow Man"
The movie pretty much steals From those three scores, and I do mean steals. The main theme is the main theme from "what lies beneath" just with minor alterations. But the hollow man and Dracula scores I think are almost unchanged, just completely lifted from the other films.

[–] kingofcamp 17 years ago

i'll admitt that some of the scenes in this film do contain some questionable tracks (like the theatre scene) but it DOES actually contain original music as well, score and songs. i have a Camp Daze Soundtrack CD and love it. so there might be some items from other stuff but there is really some fresh material in it too.

[–] shehan23 17 years ago

Guess you don't know those scores as well as you think you do. This score was recorded live by a community orchestra in Kansas City. As far as ripping material off, well, there's a fine line between influence and copyright infringement. Honestly, I know the composer, I know all the material he developed his score from (like the back of my hand for the most part) and I never once believed he crossed that line. Dracula, Hollow Man, and What Lies Beneath were three of several influences on Brad's score. If you want to get right down to it, Hollow Man was a rewarming of Goldsmith's work on Basic Instinct, and What Lies Beneath is one long exercise in emulating the collective works of Bernard Herrmann. Composers have been "ripping" each other "off" for centuries.

Think of this music more as an experiment by the composer to hone his composing and orchestrational skills at the expense of a really lousy horror movie.

At any rate, believe what you will. Don't believe me? Try getting out the CD's for any of the aforementioned films and see if you can get a single cue to line up. It's Fowler's music, leave it alone!

[–] Filmmaker84 17 years ago

The Main theme that runs over most of the film including the dvd menu, is nearly identical to what lies beneath. It's the scene in which Michelle Phiefer (sp) runs from the house and I think is like track 7 on the CD. if you compare the first few measure are nearly identical.
And also, Hollow man is a reworking of mostly The Haunting.

[–] RealBlast3 16 years ago

Even if this was a re-recording, and not lifted directly from those movies - they never would have gotten away with it if it had been a major motion picture release in theaters.

I sincerely doubt the original composers of these ripped off scores would think they were merely being homaged here. I honestly don't know how you could think he was merely being influenced by the Dracula score in particular, the one score I know like the back of my hand.

Just because you plagarize well, doesn't mean it ISN'T plagarism. So he changed a few chords or something - it IS the Dracula score we're hearing - not an original score influenced from it. This is not someone just aping another composer's style - this is someone who copied another movie's score and then thought by changing a few notes here and there he could get away with it.

I think it's sad your defending someone who clearly is a cheat. Everyone on this board who has heard the score thinks so. You're argument that the music cues don't exactly line up is weak and pathetic - Sounds just like someone who knows they did something wrong but thinks they covered it up just enough to get away with it.