I know that the characters are struggling with eating disorders and may have a warped sense of what is healthy, but I couldn't help but to cringe when they referred to a woman of 5'9" and 140 lbs as fat.
sharehahaha.....you have to realize that these are people who have a mental disorder. All of them have horrible body images and expectations for others.
Of course 5'9 140lbs isn't fat
See, this is why I never ask a chick how tall she is and how much she weighs. I have no clue what's healthy and normal and what isn't. Besides, I have known a few chubby girls in my life who were much prettier than normal looking girls. It's all in how they carry themselves.
Besides, you shouldn't ask a chick how much she weighs. They hit you for *beep* like that.
I'm a 17 year old girl, I am 4'11 and 77 lbs, and I really do think 5'9. 140 lbs is fat. A woman who is 5'9 should be like 110 to 113 lbs or so.(That's my opinion, though.)
Oh and I thought the guy Sam in this show was cute!
My friend, he took his final breath
Now I know the perfect kiss is the kiss of death.
Yikes!!! No way. 140lbs is a normal weight for a woman who is 5'6" (a la the GORGEOUS Kate Winslet or Catherine Zeta-Jones...please don't be one of those warped people who think that's fat). 110-113 is underweight for 5'6" (my height, in case you're wondering why I'm stuck on it), let alone 5'9".
BMI measurements usually call for people to be underweight because they don't take muscle mass and frame into account.
If you're a woman and happen to be as tall as 5'9", and if you want boobs and an ass, you gotta be over at the very least 130 lbs. Otherwise you have nothing to be played with during sex.
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17 and 77 lbs thats extremly dangerous jesus christ!!! you need to see a doctor
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I was 5ft'1 and 77lbs and I had to go to hospital and get help and am still having group eating disorder therapy sessions a year later, i'm now 102lbs.
you DO need help, even though you don't see it (which at the time I didn't)
Wow... the wasteland that is your brain is mind-blowing...
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110lb.? Are you kidding? That would give the women a BMI of 16.2 (a BMI of under 18.5 is underweight!)
The medical recommendation for 5'9" women is 129 - 169 lbs.
The URL below is to a photographic height/weight chart. The picture in the link is of a 5'9", 140lb woman. Not fat (at all).
(I know, I know, this post is from 4 years ago, but I thought I'd provide a response nonetheless.)
http://www.cockeyed.com/photos/bodies/509-140.shtml
"feel the happy, michael."
"feels a lot like sad."
I am 5'9 and when I was 17, I weighed 132 lbs. I wore a size 5 & my body build was/is medium with an hourglass shape. I've had full breasts since I was about 14 yrs old. The reason I am referring to my shape is because it makes ALL the difference. A woman that is flat chested with broad hips and a flat butt will not carry weight as nicely as a woman with an hourglass or pear shape. On women that lack curves, often times the extra weight has no where to go...it isn't evenly distributed. By the time I was 21, I weighed 147 lbs and I looked GREAT! I was fit, firm, shapely with a small waist, slender arms & legs. Throughout my 20's, my weight has ranged from 140 lbs to 170 lbs and I have always carried weight nicely. I am lucky, I suppose. Am I "skinny?" Hell no. I haven't been YOUR definition of "beauty" since before I hit puberty. If you honestly believe that all adult females should look like 12 yr-old boys, you have an unhealthy & messed up opinion of beauty.
My cousin recently went to a rehab for various reasons. She had always hot an amazing, shapely but very slender and toned body. She naturally had a tight "6 pack" stomach, a perfectly round "bubble butt" and fantastic perky C-cup breasts. I've always loved my figure, but I never looked as good in a bikini as she did. I am more "soft" looking. Anyway, she is 5'6 and since high school, she weighed 125-130 lbs. If she ever got below 125, she started looking WAY too thin...her face would look gaunt. After she had two kids and began living an unhealthy lifestyle, she got down to about 95 lbs! Friends and family worried that she was on drugs or starving herself or dying from some disease. Seriously. She looked terrible. This is NOT an opinion. This is a FACT. After several months in the rehab facility, she came out weighing about 145lbs and I swear, she has never looked better! Her face is glowing, her skin looks lovely, she no longer looks like a haggard meth addict. She has her curves back and she just looks happy and healthy....and yes, still very slender. Her tummy is still as flat as ever, tiny waist, etc.
Having said all this, I just cannot fathom how you or anyone else would think that a woman my height (5'9) should weigh no more than 113 pounds. That is freaking scary! Granted, most models are that height/weight but honestly, most of them look like they are dying. The models of the 80s & 90s were slim but most of them looked healthy & hot (Cindy Crawford, Elle McPherson, Rachel Hunter).
p.s. If you are basing your opinions on the body build & size of most Asian women, its not surprising that you favor women that look like children. The majority of Asian women are small framed, short, petite, skinny and child-like in appearance. I don't find that "look" attractive but that's just my opinion. However, I will say that there is a BIG difference between being petite, slender & healthy and being emaciated & gaunt with protruding bones.
5'1~5'5 and 110 lbs or more is like obese in my opinion.
My friend, he took his final breath
Now I know the perfect kiss is the kiss of death.
Well, you're a dwarf, so it's understandable why it wouldn't be understandable for you.
Seriously, you're kidding. You have to be. Hahahahhahahhahahaha. (me laughing)
I'm not kidding. I used to live in Japan(I will move back there after ai graduate high school and I'm half Japanese myself) and all of the girls there are so thin that they make the average American girl feel like an elephant. Seriously, American girls are so fat, it's quite ridiculous. I've seen European girls who are much prettier and thinner than American girls.
My friend, he took his final breath
Now I know the perfect kiss is the kiss of death.
Remember that beauty is pretty much a social construct and varies from culture to culture and what's beautiful now probaly won't be beautiful later. A man from 100 years ago would look at a a super model now and probaly think that she's starving to death. Lord knows what crazy version of beauty is up next. Maybe the whole world will go all crazy and healthy will be in instead. I truly beleive that a healthy wieght varies from person to person.
shareYou sound really ignorant. This show is mocking you. Get a clue.
share5'9". 140 is soooo not fat. Maybe being 4'11" and 77 lbs is ok for a tiny little Japanese girl....but the majority of us are not only taller then that, but we vary in how much muscle mass we carry, or bone density....everything is a factor. I'm 5'6" and weigh 135, and If I were to get back down to 110-113...I'd look like I had cancer and need to be hospitalised (...and I know this for a reason). Seriously, you can't believe that weight like that is normal.
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and by the way...I's would so rather date an elephant then a walking skeleton. Being that thin has NEVER been attractive, its just sick.
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I'm not warped. It's just Americans are way too fat.
My friend, he took his final breath
Now I know the perfect kiss is the kiss of death.
Yes, and if you returned to Japan I'm sure no one here would miss you...Seriously, little girl, the healthy standard isn't 5'9 110. That is considered (not by fat girls but by doctors) anorexic. It's not about skinny girls not being sexy or that it's better to be over weight. I agree with your point that Americans are too fat. We are a Super-size-loving, fast food-consuming, glutoneous society. Europe doesn't have the health problems we do and we pretty much bring on our sicknesses (irritable bowel syndrome, acid reflux disease)ourselves with our poor eating habits. It's not about being super thin. It's about being healthy. You may not think that 5'9 140 is healthy. That is your opinion but you are also only 17 and your metabolism will change drastically when you turn 25 and again when you hit 30. When women are under weight they put themselves at risk for osteoporosis, infertility, heart failure and a multitude of other health problems. If you truly believe that you have to be severely thin to look good then you will pay the price with not only your health, your future children's health but also your life.
shareDepeche girl, you are a total moron. This is NOT a matter of opinion, it's a matter of science. The term "obese" refers to someone who has a BMI of over 30 (when the normal range is 18.5-25), or weighs 20% more than their expected weight for their age, height, and build. There's always variation in the exact weight in pounds that medical professionals give as "within the normal range", but it's generally like this, give or take a bit:
http://www.karenyontzcenter.org/fitness/working-out/tool-heightweighttable.asp
Perhaps being as freakishly short as you are, you have no idea of what the healthy weight range is for someone up here. Height and build make all the difference. For example, someone who is a foot taller than you could weigh a hundred pounds more than YOU (at 77 pounds) and still look good and be healthy. Yes, Americans do have weight problems, but constant obsession with weight contributes to the madness, and I guarantee that the condescension of some idiotic munchkin is not going to help.
By the way, I also lived in Japan, and at 5'11 and 140 lbs I felt HOT. The guys certainly appreciated me, though I found many of them a little too shrimpy. So don't go back to Japan, because that's where I'll be. Go somewhere wartorn and starving instead, you'll fit in perfectly.
Disclaimer: I apologize to all the generally good-natured short people of the world for my comments which were directed entirely at this stupid skinny-a$$ girl. You guys can be pretty kick-a$$ too, provided you're not her.
5 10 and 110 lbs is too thin. Lindsay Lohan is 5 6 and 113 (after she lost weight) and she looks rail thin and sick. I couldnt imagine someone being even taller and the same weight.
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Ok, I am not sure if anyone understands the difference between fat and muscle, but weight doesnt mean &*$% in most cases.. I am 5'4" and im 135lbs .. People are so consumed with weight that you couldnt even imagine someone lean..which I am . it makes me laugh that saying what my height and weight is right now is making people go "ohh she is fat"! hahahaa if u only knew . But besides that.. to be 5'9" and 140 is healthy and it was a comment made by Sam that proves to the viewers that he has a problem and what he sees and what his fixation is.. And it made me cringe too!
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exactly...there are soo many things that have to be taken into consideration when it comes to weight. for example...I'm 5'1", I weigh 118, and wear a size 5-7. My bone structure doesn't allow me to be any thinner...and I wouldn't want to be. I've also played soccer for many years so I have muscle, which weighs more than fat. I have curves and I like my curves...and I've never gotten any complaints personally.
Honestly, why would someone want to be a size 0? that's nothing but skin and bones...and to the girls out there that think guys like that....wrong!
Guys like girls with curves...ask just about any guy and they'll tell you that just nipples and a boney butt doesn't do it for them.
when I was in high school I bought into the whole "rail-thin" thing and thought that I needed to lose weight. But as I got older and started college, I finally understood the whole weight thing. Every girl is built differently, some look good with some extra weight, some don't...but the emaciated look doesn't look good on anyone.
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depeche girl...you have some serious issues.
Charlize Theron: 5'9 1/2''. One of the world's most beautiful women. I guarentee she's at least 140.
http://imdb.com/gallery/granitz/2672/Events/2672/CharlizeTh_Grani_4201527_400.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Theron,%20Charlize
5'9'' 140 is how most women WANT to look.
4'11' and 77 pounds. You probably look like you just got out of Auschwitz. I have 4'11'' friends who are very thin, and they weigh between 95-100. Just because you enjoy looking prepubescent, doesn't mean that's what's healthy, or what looks good. You probably have an extremely warped body image.
Ahhhhh...Japanese. That would explain it. Eating disorders in Japan have jumped 10 times in the past 10 years with an incredible rise in the past 5 years. Japan is outpacing the US for eating disorders. Go team!
4'11" and 77 pounds? That's frightening. You won't be able to have children if you remain that small. Good luck with osteoperosis, too.
Anyway....Starved is a great show.
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shareSo this chick is 4'11, 77 pounds at 17 years old?
Clearly someone lacks milk products in their diet, I'm 17 and 240 pounds at 6 foot 7.
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I only drink skim milk. Even 1% milk has too many calories, you know.
My friend, he took his final breath
Now I know the perfect kiss is the kiss of death.
im starting to think that depeche girl is joking. either that or as i'm going to put it in an equation i think might show us a lot about her.
i weigh 200 lbs. im in good shape and im healthy. me head weighs approximately 8 lbs (see "Jerry Maguire").
she weighs 77 lbs....she claims that everyone over 80 lbs is morbidly obese and she would rather look like a 10 year old for the rest of her young life until shes old and people accidently break her when they breathe in her direction.
but if my math is right her head should only weigh about 3 lbs. which doesnt have much room for a brain. given her asian heritage that gives her a booster but she still qualifies as a midget and must go to midget town....where us normal people like to walk with our arms out and go "RAAAA!!!! IM GOING TO EAT YOU MIDGET!!! RAAAA!!!!"
i think ive made my point about half japanese half american american haters that weigh less than my thigh.
I think she is a troll.
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'"DEPECHE" girl' and the cracked-wanna-be goth end quote...if this girl is serious...SHE IS SERIOUSLY *beep* UP IN THE HEAD! She's trying too hard to be that tortured 'ghost' that makes appearances at the *beep* goth clubs and who can barely hold up her cigarette as her boyfriend wears faux vampire teeth and talks about suicide all the time. She needs to quit with the conformity, eat a sandwich, and take in a little sun sometime. I try very hard to maintain some form of decorum on IMDB considering many of the folks here take on alter egos that in the real world would either get them arrested or the crap reemed out of them, but this *beep* just taken the cake. I hope she's (and i assume she's a girl, but boys can be just as screwed up) joking for the sake of her liver, heart, and blood vessels.
Back on topic: And I had never seen Starved before until tonight, but it has become my new favorite TV Show. After suffing through food obsessions myself, its refreshing to see the psychosis lampooned for once. Life should be taken lightly, or else we'd never grow wings...
I really do hope she is joking, not only because I think that it's rediculous to weigh that much...but (as others have pointed out) it is severely unhealthy to be like that. And for the record, yes...the mojority of americans are fat slobs...but dont assume that we all are. I take damn good care of myself, and I think my weight is right where it should be. Im not super model thin, I have a lot of muscle from athletics, and I doubt you could do....well, anything athletically. I mean, you must not have a single ounce of muscle in your entire body. Im not trying to be mean, its the truth.
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I'll stomp her like godzilla with my fat American lifestyle. My penis weighs more than her.
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The most I've ever weighed in my life(I am 17) was when I was 12~14 years old and I was at a miserable and fat 86 lbs.
This morning, I was at 76 lbs.
(Although, my weight does fluctuate from about 76 to 78 lbs or so...)
My friend, he took his final breath
Now I know the perfect kiss is the kiss of death.
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People don't you all realize that Depechegirl is just doing this to get attention.
share"People don't you all realize that Depechegirl is just doing this to get attention. "
Of course - if she's adult, 4'11" and 77 lbs, its probably the only attention she gets.
THANK YOU.
She is 100% trying to get attention. If she actucally did have an eating disorder, she would not be posting her height/weight and flashing it around like she is.
My Cousin is the same trying to get people to say shes too skinny or doesnt eat enough etc.
but when you actucally have an eating disorder you do EVERYTHING in your power to hide it!
the thing is, every ethnic group has different body styles. I'm not stereotyping, but for example Nordic or Icelandic women tend to be quite tall. Their bones are also larger. Japanese people have smaller bone frames and are generally shorter and more petite. It's just a fact. I don't know how often I've wished I had been born small and petite instead of tall, but it just didn't happen.
I suffered a very severe eating disorder when I was young. At 5'7" tall I weighed 107 lbs. I was put into a treatment/counseling program. My hair fell out and my skin looked sickly and pale. I got bruises on my shoulders from my bra straps and on my waist from the waistband of my pants. I smelled funny.
The show Starved is hilarious, I totally love it. It makes all those little secret things that anorexics do come to light. I think in a way it could be helpful, because friends and parents could know what to look for.
Weight isn't just a standard number you can apply-- like if you're 5'7" you should weigh 120 pounds or whatever. The baseline weight for people of that height is 127. It ranges to 147. Right now, I weigh 134. I am athletic-- I run every day and surf every single day. I do yoga. I'm very health conscious-- I'm a vegetarian and I always eat healthy. Since my bout with anorexia, I have been very nutrition conscious, mostly because my body suffered irrepairable damage to my pancreas and intestines. I am not even close to fat. I am not even voluptuous. I have a great body, and for the first time I've stopped comparing myself to little children-- people shorter than 5 feet tall, weighing less than 100 pounds, with no breasts or curves whatsoever.
I would really appreciate not hearing another word about how fat Americans are. I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion, but you realize that it's people who make blanket statements about weight and looks that drive other people to have eating disorders.
I'm so glad to be reading these posts. My friends really scare me though. One of them is like 5'3" and yesterday, told me that she wanted to be 115 lbs. I didn't say anything, b/c she said that that is normal for someone her height. Also, my other friend wants to be in the 110s and she is 5'4". I also notice that they read those mags, like Cosmo and Marie Claire, or whatever. Everyone seems to want to look like, or it is expressed this way in the media (ever watch VH1 Rock Bodies series?) and on Entertainment Tonight and others that the sexy woman is between 5'5" and 6' tall and 110 lbs. I remember being so mad when they started calling Britney Spears fat in her wedding gown. Now, I was watching one of those entertainment shows on tv w/ a friend, and my friend laughed. I remember yelling, "In what world is Britney Spears Fat!?" That girl has never been fat, maybe she is skinnier at times than others, but she is never fat! I was so pi&**#! I was thinking that people are watching and believing the crap on tv, but now, reading these posts, I think that the average person probably doesn't pay attention to that garbage. What is sad is that younger girls do. They want to look like Paris Hilton (baby bird/10 year old boy with scraggly white-blond hair). I am a woman and I would never give up the gifts that I have. I know that the average man does not want to date a bag of bones/ a telephone pole.
shareI think Britney Spears is fat.
I think a person who is about 5'3 or 5'4 should be anywhere from 90 to 100 lbs.
But definitely no more than that.
My friend, he took his final breath
Now I know the perfect kiss is the kiss of death.
I think Britney Spears is fat.
I think a person who is about 5'3 or 5'4 should be anywhere from 90 to 100 lbs.
But definitely no more than that.
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Most American men would probably look at you and think you are a skinny 10 year old boy.
Stop taking depeche_girl seriously. She's HAS to be kidding.
share>>Stop taking depeche_girl seriously. She's HAS to be kidding.<<
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You're right. We shouldn't take depeche_girl seriously, and she simply can't be telling the whole truth -- if she is, it's truly a shame, b/c she's perpetuating (not to mention championing) far too many stereotypes (and neuroses) to fathom and/or be adequately addressed on this message board.
>> "It's just Americans are way too fat." <<
Also, umbrella statements are hardly the fodder for logical discussion, now, are they?
Wow, I hope that some caring adult (her parents, a teacher, someone) in DePeche Girl's life reads this site, because she's CLEARLY in desperate cry for help mode.
Severly underweight? Check. Romanticizing suicide? Check. She probably cuts herself too.
I teach college English, and I read and hear these sort of comments/this sort of behavior from seriously depressed and troubled girls all the time--frequently right before they either pass out in my class because they haven't had anything but black Ventis from Starbucks for the last 6 days, or I get a note from the Dean saying they've been checked into a psych hospital for observation.
Never thought I'd end up writing something like this when I just wanted to find out what that song at the end of last night's ep. was.. . .
Look buddy, I am obsessed with this show. I don't think 5'9', 140lbs is fat. Maybe its the breasts that are adding the weight. Now, you may disagree with me, but most men like breasts.
Who would you prefer?: A skeletal woman with no figure that is 5'3', 80 lbs.
OR
A woman with a normal body-type that is 5'7, 130 lbs. (I'm lowering the size a tad.)
I'm a waste like you
With nothing else to do.
May I waste your time too?
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If you were 5'4 and weighted 100lbs you'd be classed as underweight by doctors. the refusale to gain weight would lead to you being classed as Anorexic!!!
shareDepeche Girl, are you psycho? Someone who is 5'5" and 110 pounds is actually a little underweight. I am 5'5" and weigh 119 pounds and I am very thin. I hardly have any excess body fat and I am toned.
Also, I am a recovering anorexic so, I don't appreciate you making those rediculous comments about food and weight. When I lost weight at the beginning of the year, I did it the unhealthy way so I lost a lot of weight in a short period of time. I also stopped having my menstrual cycles because I feel below a normal weight. Now that I have gained some weight back, I still am not getting my periods.
I used to live in Japan and I've talked to some of my friends there and they all say that 5'5 and 110 lbs is hefty. They said that someone 5'5 should be like 100 lbs or so, maybe 102 or 103 or so, but 110 lbs is 50kg, and many Japanese girls (I am half Japanese) think that 50kg is chubby or fat.
My friend, he took his final breath
Now I know the perfect kiss is the kiss of death.
This is the US - not many here really care what people in Japan consider normal. In some cultures women that would be considered very overweight here would be considered the standard of beauty.
I hane seen very very few Japanese women I would even consider attractive, at least in the body - few have anything near what I would consider a feminine figure. Most look like skinny teenage boys.
You said most Japanese women don't really have much of a feminine figure, or something along those lines.
But the thing is, many American women, unless they're celebrities, dress very poorly.
Many do not bother to wear skirts and dresses.
Many do not dress feminine.
Many seem to wear jeans every day.
Many American girls wear pajama pants or beach sandals(flip flops) in public. Many have ugly hairstyles.
On the other hand, many Japanese girls wear skirts and dresses frequently. I've never seen flip flops unless they're at the beach and no young Japanese woman ever dares to go out in public with pajama pants on.
My friend, he took his final breath
Now I know the perfect kiss is the kiss of death.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I personally am attracted to women in all thier sizes. Being an average guy(6'2 185) I can cater to skinny and fat chicks.
I think women with eating disorders are sending out a cry for help, and I'm more than happy to ablige...
P.s. Depeche girl, have you heard of Calorie Mate? I saw an advertisement w/ Kiefer Sutherland plugging it. It looks like some powder you eat to replace food. If that's what it is, I belive there are alot of eating disorders in Japan. But I still think asian women are beautiful in all thier skinny glory. I'd like to be your personal Jesus, if you know what I'm saying. But I'm probably too fat for you...
Yes,I have heard of calorie mate. It's just one of those vitamin filled drinks that people consume when they feel they're not eating right and some people also use it for meal replacements when they are trying to lose weight.(Originally, it was just a drink. Now, it comes in different forms, including those that look like a cookie of some sort)
My friend, he took his final breath
Now I know the perfect kiss is the kiss of death.
OK - first you say your complaint is that American women are too fat, now it is that they dress poorly?
I would much rather see a woman who can fill out a pair of sweats or jeans rather than a pair of spindly little chicken legs poking out from under a miniskirt.
Well Depechegirl, you seem to have an unrealistic view about what weight is healthy and what isn't. I weigh 120 pounds and I am actually very thin. I eat healthily and work out. I had to gain some weight anyway because at 112 pounds, I was unhealthy.
Just because someone isn't dangerously skinny or below a normal weight does not mean they are fat. Grow up, please.
Sorry to tell you, but most men (and women) wouldn't find you even the least bit attractive. I was 5'6" and 97 pounds in high school (though I never had an eating disorder), and it wasn't until I went up to 134 that guys even started noticing me. Even after I went up to 134, people still (wrongly) thought I was anorexic (even though I'd eat ALL the time and never purge). Your metabolism changes, and your body goes through a lot of hormonal and physical changes when you get older - don't be at all surprised if you gain a lot of weight in the next few years (and definitely if you have kids, that is, if you can have kids. I doubt you have a period). I've known a LOT of definitely overweight Japanese women in their 40s and 50s (women who are about 5' to 5'2" and who weight over 180-200 pounds). Your attitude now is really setting you up for a lifetime of dissapointment.
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At first I cringed too, but I think the writers on Starved are giving the audience far more credit than most shows do and assumes that we'll consider the source the comment came from.
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I'm 30 years old, 5'6 and weigh 120. I got heavy after the whole puberty thing, getting up as high as 182 four years ago.
I knew what I was in for if I continued being overweight because all the women in my family are obese ( in the 200-250 lbs. range), so I started eating healthier and working out.
Gradually, over the last four years, I've developed an eating disorder. I know it makes no sense, but when I look in the mirror I still see the 182 lbs.
If I gain even 5 lbs. now I feel completely uncomfortable and it sends me back to my destructive behavior.
My friends & family worry about me, so I try to hide away from them so they won't see me. They are usually shocked when they finally catch up to me. I've had a friend tell me that seeing the bones in my spine & shoulders is totally wrong, yet here I am still seeing that 182.
Years ago, I always wondered how these girls (and guys) can consciously starve themselves. At this moment, I completely understand.
--Anchovy Special: any time my family members or friends, or even complete strangers say eat! I feel even crappier. It's not food, it's my need to control something in my life when everything else is completely nuts. It takes a lot to watch this happen to someone (my husband could tell you!), and you just being there & not judging probably means the world to your sister.
I think it makes perfect sense. Our perceived self-image is our reality. And to us it's the only one that matters.
What you say about having control over something in the midst of chaos rings true, but of course there are levels of truth that surround this one. I believe that a lot of the difficulty for those with eating disorders arises out of a need to become Universally-Appealing. They may have the idea that becoming universally-attractive will solve all their problems and make their lives run more smoothly. (Because if everyone thinks they're attractive, then no one will ever be mean to them or want to hurt them) On top of that, there may be a kind of "Puritanical" mindset present that expresses itself through the idea of "No one anywhere can think that I am unattractive". It may seem oxymoronic to think of extreme concern with the bodily attractiveness and puritanism together, but I think they are linked psychologically. Just as a puritan (or modern-day fundamentalist or "tolerant" liberal) cannot stand to think there is someone somewhere that does not hold to their beliefs, a person with an eating disorder cannot deal with the idea that somewhere someone may not find them appealing. No matter they may have a spouse, boy/girlfriend, or a wealth of admirers.
I think a few possible remedies for ridding one's self of this need to become universally-appealing are 1) stop looking at fashion/celeb magazines, 2) stop watching so much TV, 3) do put more emphasis on what your partner wants, rather than strangers, 4) volunteer somewhere for the needy, sick or elderly, and 5) read more.
Even if the ideas about universal-appeal sound stupid to somebody, you can't really go wrong with those five remedies above.
I love this response.
As an individual who has suffered from eating disorders in my teen years, I'm in complete agreement about the "Puritanical" mindset- your observation is dead on, at least for what my case was.
Also, wonderful suggestions as remedies. It's good to know someone else on this planet has logic skills.
I'm with memichellese on this. I took it as the writers making fun of Sam for thinking someone at 5'9, 140 would be fat. And that they were satirizing the public's obsession w/thiness. Online dating sites are known for this type of thinking. Guys will put height ranges up to and over 6 feet, but then specify the woman shouldn't be over 130. And it's not just the GQ types doing so. One profile that came up in a regional search I did featured this guy who was 395 lbs who had his potential match height limit at 6'0 and weight at 175. I took it as the writers were making fun of these guys and I thought it was pretty funny.
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I agree wholeheartedly - add to that the fact that his eating-disorder friends backed him up, and they are obviously poking fun at the characters.
Also, there is no way that Dan is under 300 lbs (as he said in the colonic episode) - my guess would be 325-350, depending on how tall he is.
That's a two way street, though--the not understanding what the opposite sex weighs thing. I've seen stats on ballplayers (male) who are my age, only an inch or 2 taller than I am (in the 5'7"-5'8" range) and weigh 60-70 lbs more than I do. My 6'1" ex boyfriend dropped from 190+ to 176 while we were dating, and while those both sound like big numbers to me, he looked GROSS (emaciated) at the lower end of that range. Men and women have different normal muscle/fat ratios and carry weight differently, so it makes sense (especially for someone like Sam, who already has problems w/ body perception) to make that kind of mistake.
shareConsider this:
To pay her way through college, Jenny McCarthy decided to give modeling a try. However, every agency she went to told her she was too short and too fat. That same year, she went on to become Playboy's Miss October, and PLAYMATE OF THE YEAR.
She was 5' 6 1/2", 137 pounds.
Apparently, this was a woman many, many men enjoyed seeing naked. I'm guessing that they'd also rather see her sans clothing than the "heroin chic" stick insects that were walking the runways at the time. Something to think about when you begin believing that a woman of that height and weight is hefty and undesirable.
From this article: http://www.nytimes.com/specials/magazine4/articles/mccarthy.html
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"Emaciated and boney look gross. A woman can be lean without looking unhealthy."
I agree with that. Someone who is skin and bones isn't lean anyway.
I think that bones are much more prettier than fat.
It's so pathetic how a lot of girls my age may be somewhat thin, yet seem to have a bump of fat on their tummies. It's so obvious when they wear t-shirts and jeans, it's really gross to see fat like that.
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"I think that bones are much more prettier than fat.
It's so pathetic how a lot of girls my age may be somewhat thin, yet seem to have a bump of fat on their tummies. It's so obvious when they wear t-shirts and jeans, it's really gross to see fat like that. "
Hmmm - up till now I just thought Depeche girl was a little off. Now I am hoping she is a troll - otherwise, she needs to seek some professional help really soon.
Okay, I am a skinny girl and I have a bit of fat on my stomach. However, the skin on my back is thin because there is no fat there. Sometimes, it is just not possible to get rid of every ounce of fat on your body.
But you can never be sure whether its fat or not...some girls have a distended stomach from water leaking into the abdominal tissue.
"I think bones are much prettier than fat"
Okay, you said that once already, you really don't need to repeat yourself. We all know that you think a girl can't be pretty unless her body looks like a plank of wood.
it's too bad you base beauty on body shape. and it's really too bad that you're weak enough to let the media get to you like this and make you think that you can't be beautiful unless you have no body fat.
good for you if you think you're beautiful for being so thin, but dont' expect anyone else to care about your absolutely ridiculous views on beauty.
ok first off, depeche girl is just yanking you peoples chains and doing a good job evidently. Also a woman who has a true eating disorder has a screwed up body image and the last thing on her mind is what MEN WANT IN A WOMAN. I have never heard of an anorexic girl thinking "oh my god I better gain weight so boys will be attracted to me!" Anorexia is a sickness. Some people are naturally skinny and some tend to be fat thats life. The thing is be happy where you are at. Being 5'9" and 140# isn't fat but for the character in the show it was fat to him because he has a sickness. By the way,, there are men who like skinny women same as there are men who like fat women.
shareThe whole 5'9, 140lbs thing got me going, too.
I don't have an agenda here, just wanted to throw in my two cents.
These characters have eating disorders. Of course their thinking isn't logical or accurate. I think it's GREAT the writers to put this in the show, since it's really how a mind operates with these disorders.
As an anorexic/bulimic, I can completely relate to this show. There aren't any right answers or tidy solutions in some situations, and I'm glad the show reflects that. It's refreshing. Sure, it's a little cheesy at times - but all shows are awkward in their first several episodes.
In my warped and mentally ill mind, 140lbs at 5'9 is borderline fat. (To ME.) I'm 5'10 and in my mind anything over 120lbs seems HUGE. I know that I'm wrong, and I don't think it's fair to project a disordered belief onto other people.
I agree with that, Aquarius.
Anybody remember Marilyn Monroe? (Redundant question, btw...)
Anybody think she was beautiful? Attractive? Desirable? ...fat?
Not fat? I don't think she was fat either.
Now...
Anybody know what size clothing Ms. Monroe wore?
Anyone?
Beuller? Beuller?
Marilyn Monroe wore a size 16 to a size 18. And she had a great body.
I agree with all the people out there who say that the muscle mass/BMI/weight issue is different for everybody. It's genetic. It's how you're built that determines how you carry the weight and how healthy you are with that weight, and muscle *does* weigh at least as much as fat, if not more.
I am 6' tall and weigh way more than I should. Although I do not appear to be as big as Dan physically, I'm pretty close as according to the scale. I am a compulsive overeater. I say that here because I do not expect to be judged, as this is a board about a show about eating disorders. But honestly, what this world considers a plus size woman today was really what was considered a beautiful healthy woman back in the 1800's. Starting with the birth of fashion magazines and television and all sorts of media outlets, this planet became obsessed with seeing, as someone else so eloquently put it, heroin chic stick insects, and that is what is considered beautiful. I think it's revolting to be that thin. I didn't even think Bridget Jones was fat! Yet there they were, making all sorts of fat cracks on her.
I also agree that Americans as a general society are unhealthy in their eating habits. We eat on the go, from a fast food restaurant, a lot of times alone and in the car, in super-sized quantities that are far more than our system should handle. Earthworm filler, grease and sugar as a daily diet can never be healthy.
I am trying to get my eating disorder under control, now that I realize it is an eating disorder and not something I was just born with and have to deal with. But God help me if I ever drop below 140, especially considering my height, because *I* would consider myself anorexic then, and my opinion is the only one that matters to me.
...If swimming is good for your figure, explain whales to me...
Marilyn Monroe might have worn a 16-18 size in clothes way back then but clothes were sized different then. A size 16 in the mid 60's is about what a size 9-10 is now. Check some pictures out of MM a few months before she died. She still had a gorgeous figure but she weighed 115 pounds. If you dont believe me, go try on some vintage clothes. They were made alot smaller than now and women and men were thinner in general now. A size 16-18 dress is made for an obese woman and no time in MM career was she obese.
shareI had a big long reply thought out, but since I feel you did not pay attention to the point in my post I decided you're not worth it.
...If swimming is good for your figure, explain whales to me...
clearly depeche is either anorexic, has a mental health problem or is a kid/teen trying to stir up trouble on this board.
Possibly she is all three
By the way I enjoy this show you have to view it and remember it is a fictional description of eating disorders so they want you to be bothered by the thought of a woman at 5'9 being 140 and "fat" its suppose to give insight to their problems.
I HOPE we adults all realize that 5'9 and 140 is underweight and not fat.
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I am not from Japan but am from Hawaii. Hawaii has many Japanese American residents as well as tourists and immigrants from Japan. I have many friends who are local Japanese or from Japan who are really petite & tiny and none of them fall below 100, even if they are just 5 feet tall.
The tourists from Japan (who are all over Waikiki) do not look any skinnier than some of my more local, petite friends. So, I don't really believe all these claims that people weigh less than the healthy weight ranges in Japan. They may be at the lower end of a range due to a small frame but 10 to 20 lbs under the lower end, I don't think so. (100 lbs is at the lower end of the healthy weight range for a girl of 5 feet & under 30).
depeche girl has gotten a rise out of everyone.
shareI am pro-ana, by the way, if you wanted to know what kind of a person I am.
My friend, he took his final breath
Now I know the perfect kiss is the kiss of death.
Pro-ana
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Pro-ana is a largely Internet-based movement which views the eating disorder anorexia nervosa as a lifestyle choice rather than a medical condition. There are a growing number of pro-ana websites and discussion groups where self-identified anorexics come together to discuss their condition, which some claim creates a reinforcing feedback loop. The movement is controversial because it contradicts current prevailing psychological and medical views.
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That explains it all. Perhaps you should go find one of those websites and talk to others who share your views, because everyone here seems to think you are in need of serious psychological help (and I think you have just proven us right). But I guess negative attention is better than no attention at all.
I looked around the net for pro-ana sites. I just can't believe all the positive community of pro-anorexics and bulimics. It's just plain sad.
shareI have a thinspiration gallery, if anybody wants to see it.
http://photobucket.com/albums/y145/depeche_girl/
My friend, he took his final breath
Now I know the perfect kiss is the kiss of death.
PLEASE NOBODY RESPOND TO THIS ANYMORE
Don't feed the trolls
That is really some sick $hit. You need to seek professional help immediately, if those are your physical standards of beauty.
The thought of touching any of the women in any of those pics (including Lara Flynn Boyle) makes me want to puke.
at least Lara Flynn Boyle has muscle mass on her arms most of those pics were of skeletons. depeche do you ever have any pain in your chest or back or anywhere for that matter because that is the signal your body is giving you to gain some weight. and just wondering are you in any of those pics? and what do your parents say about your pro-ana attitude?
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I want to acknowledge my understanding that this is a very serious issue that we are talking about and that the show exemplifies. The 5 remedies mentioned above seem like good serious advice. And now for some non-serious advice to the 77 lb-er and her fellow pro-anas...I've got 3 words for you: Nemo's chocolate cake. I actually found one of these at Wal-greens at the check-out counter this weekend and thought it was pretty tasty.
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Your thinspiration gallery is full of photoshop work. good job, faker!
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she within the normal range but whats ideal in the eyes of a majority of people with a warped body image or under 19bmi is ideal for models and celebrities not whats considered by the government as normal. although i have to say that in my opinion, its a bit chubby not overweight. its not what i'd like to weight
she has the same bmi as someone thats 5'5 and 125lbs its 10lbs-15lbs over the ideal weight range
So basically, anyone with a BMI within a normal range is "chubby"? I guess that means body-builders, fitness models, and athletes are "chubby" too.
sharei have a bmi of 21.5 and i'm not at all chubby, in fact, i'm thin and really in shape. bmi of 19 or less is gross. most of those models and celebrities are stick figures and i certainly wouldnt want to look like an anorexic dying person.
shareThank you wizchewie. You CAN have a normal BMI and be thin. BMI is not even a tool for measuring body fat, its used to measure how MASSIVE your body is. I wish more people would grasp that information.
share5'5" and 125 lbs is not over the ideal weight range.
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Well if you want to be a high-fashion model, perhaps 125 pounds for 5'5 would be overweight but it is not considered clinically overweight for the average person. I am 5'5 and weigh about 120 pounds right now but, I'm not going to get down to 90 pounds just to please people like you. I have already had an eating disorder during the end of spring.
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When I dropped weight (over the spring) I ended up 112 pounds. According to my doctor, I was underweight. Now I regained some weight but really don't look that much different.
shareboy, i cant believe that someone would think that 140 lbs is fat at 5'9" or that 100 lbs would be appropriate for someone 5'4" .......... you guys must think paris hilton is a porker
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I agree. Kelly Ripa is 5'4, 108 pounds and she looks healthy to me.
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I didn't find that article funny at all.
"anorexia, like most things should be done in moderation"
Anorexia shouldn't be done AT ALL. I should know because I was borderline anorexic (ate under 2000 calories but didn't starve). It made me unhealthy and continue to lose weight.
"A woman should have a pleasingly light, impossibly fragile appearance"
I don't think so. Fragility just gives the impression of being physically weak and not having enough muscle mass for even a remotely athletic look.
"there should be a thin matting of fat to prevent from making out your skeltal system"
You can prevent from making out your skeletal system if you have muscle covering it.
"She's as desirable as that fat cow Kate Winslet"
Kate Winslet is not fat. She is actually quite slim.
Overall, this article just sends nothing but mixed messages. And every comment in here contridicts every other comment.
As the person who posted the article said, it is FAKE news. Out of context I realize it sounds bad, but in context it's actually funny social commentary. Look at their website www.theonion.com since that will give you a much better idea of what the site is like.
shareI know it is fake news. I can still not think its humorous.
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Has anyone seen the pictures on the cover of The Star? I noticed them at the grocery store last night - if they are not doctored, then Julia Roberts and Teri Hatcher are now severely anorexic. And I used to have the serious hots for Lois Lane...
shareI haven't seen any recent pictures of Julia, but Teri looks fine to me. She is slim and toned, in other words she looks like she works out. Anyone who mistakes her for being anorexic is probably fat themselves.
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Lara Flynn Boyle has actually gained weight recently and looks healthy. Leo DiCaprio...I have no idea. Men aren't judged about their weight as much as women are, anyway.
shareCheesehead - have you seen the pictures I am referring to? Because if you have, and you think she looks healthy, then you are probably severely anorexic yourself.
www.starmagazine.com
has a small version of the cover, but the picture is not all that clear.
Here is a link to a picture from August:
http://conversationsfamouspeople.blogspot.com/2005/08/teri-hatcher-runs-and-runs.html
Again, I don't know if these pictures are legit, but if they are - she has a problem.
Some of the most famous and critically acclaimed pieces of art from ancient history depicted full-figured women as the most beautiful a woman could come. That stands true today, we've only been poisoned to think that a thinner figure is somehow healthier or more attractive. I'll take a thicker women over a skinny woman anyday, anyhow.
shareIts not healthy to be obese though.
share5'9", 140lbs is not obese. I said "bigger than skinny", not obese. Thick girls. See? Yeah, not obese.
shareI wasn't even talking about 5'9 and 140 pounds. You said many ancient art displays are of full-figured women. My point is many of them look obese, and obesity is not what people should strive for. There is a difference between being curvy and being fat.
shareI have to disagree with the statues looking obese, they look like full figured women. Though you're right obesity is not what a person should strive for, but personally looking like one of those statues is better than looking like anything from depeche's 'thinspiration' thing. Whether that was real or fake I acutally cringed looking at that.
I'm not going to try to say what a person should weigh as there are too many variables from person to person. I used to bike to and from school, it was a little under 3 miles I think, mostly downhill going there, which made it hell comming back. Since I've stopped biking 5 days a week, I've lost weight. That leaves me at 5'5" and 130 lbs. So much of what I weighed was muscle that even though I've definately gained fat (which I admit I would love to lose, all I have to do is get my butt off the couch) I've lost weight, I DO NOT think that at 145 and 5'5" I was overweight or fat by anymeans. Hell, I got asked out more often that year of highschool than I have at the party school of a college I've been attending.
I'm confused by what you said. Are you saying that you gained fat after losing weight, or that you gained fat when you were heavier? I know that it is possible for body fat to increase after losing muscle mass, but I'm just wondering what you meant to say.
shareI gained fat and lost weight.
sharethe fact that the original poster didnt automatically understand that the characters have a "mental disorder" that affects their opinions and outlooks is exactly why this show didnt make it. i mean, ...its a joke!! they said she was fat, and thats supposed to be funny because we all know that she isn't and them saying she is only illustrates how screwed up they are.... uugh
shareanyone with an eating disorder(as they did on the show) would think that 140 for any weight is too fat. i know i think that anything over 100 is fat..
shareI think Britney Spears is fat.
I think a person who is about 5'3 or 5'4 should be anywhere from 90 to 100 lbs.
But definitely no more than that.
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well, i'm in the right range, and i completely agree!
im 5'9 and 145 and i have a big gut
shareListen, I'm 5'11, 175 and I'm a guy, and IM TOO BIG! 5'9, 140 is at least 15 lbs too much.
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