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do americans really 'feel' that way about portugal?


so, i'm portuguese, and yesterday i was watching an episode of this show called "some of my best friends are portuguese" (S1E12). anyway, i got kinda curious, because they make so many jokes about no one knowing anything about portugal, and that it's the suckiest country, etc, etc. now, obviously i'm not offended, they're jokes, but are we really that unknown in america? just out of curiosity :)

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No, I've never heard anyone disparage Portugal. I think the writers are just looking for a "safe" subject to joke about. And I'm sure most Americans have heard of Portugal, it's just not something we talk about often. Portugal isn't often in the news here.

The extent of my knowledge of Portugal is that they speak Portuguese in Brazil, it's on the Iberian Peninsula, and it's mentioned as a safe destination in "Casablanca".

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lol thanks for the reply :)
and even I didn't know that last fact about portugal... hehe

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Na, your safe. Im live in a state in America that is essentially the American version of these Portugal jokes... know we are laughing with you, at Christine. That was- the best bits ever- which should make you proud.

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I'm not American so obviously I can't speak for them... I'm Swedish. But I have to agree on the "not knowing about..." part. I mean, I live in the EU but I never, ever, ever hear anything about Portugal, it's just one of those weird blind spots on the map and I'm not sure why. I read and watch lots of news from Italy, Germany, UK, Spain, France, Bulgaria, Greece, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark etc... even tiny places like Iceland and Luxemburg... but never from Portugal. Obviously if something big happened in Portugal it would be all over the world news, so I can only conclude that life in Portugal is very calm and uneventful.

Somehow Portugal is always overlooked. I think it's the only country that has never won the Eurovision Song Contest, after competing for something like 45 years. It's not because the music is bad, it's more as if everyone magically forgets voting for Portugal and then remark "Hmm... how come Portugal didn't do better? That song was great."

It's kind of like Canada, it's as if there was a giant invisibility field around the whole country. About a year ago there was something in Swedish newspapers about some big "bus killer" story, but before that, I don't think I heard any news out of Canada in like 20 years. You're reminded of Canada's existence whenever there are winter sports on TV (hockey, the winter olympics etc), just like you're reminded of Portugal's existence whenever there's an international soccer championship, and when those events end you forget about those countries again.

It's unfair, but I'm not sure what to do about it...

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It's kind of like Canada, it's as if there was a giant invisibility field around the whole country. About a year ago there was something in Swedish newspapers about some big "bus killer" story, but before that, I don't think I heard any news out of Canada in like 20 years.


I am Canadian and I am proud because we make international news more often than Sweden. I don't mean just for crazy bus killers either.


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Jeez, are you seriously making this into a "we're on the news more often than you" battle? And since you're Canadian, how can you know for certain if Canada makes international news more often or if you're simply more receptive to news about Canada when you're abroad?

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You are obviously not detecting the sarcasm in his post.

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In from EUROPE (one of the southern countries, rather not say)..BUT

Here everyone heard of portugal..
REgarding Sweden, everyone thinks : mixes SWEDEN/Norway,Finland is the same country.
Well, they know they're not..But it's like one country.

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Americans don't know anything about world history and are completely oblivious about the rest of the world.


So, in a thread decrying stereotypes about one nationality, you manage to slip in a stereotype about another? At least "Old Christine" is a comedy and is presented as fiction. What's your excuse?

You are a hypocrite.

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Im sure the average American doesnt even know what Portugal is!!!!!!!

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Because most people in the US believe Portugal is a third world nation.

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wow... :/

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sure, Americans are so oblivious to the rest of the world, that US needs to stick their nose in ALL of the world's affair, from economy all the way to war

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Americans obviously didnt watch this show as its been cancelled, so clearly there was a feeling of it didnt speak for any of us, regardless of what it said about Portugal or health care. I think I struggled thru a Christmas episode, don't recall what was going on in it.

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Yeah that's it chibituza, all 350 million Americans never leave this country, not ever - and none of us know where anything else is on a map. What an absolute idiotic and ignorant statement to make. It's a semi-good comedy/TV show at best not to be taken seriously so if something that small and ridiculous offends you, I'd hate to see what a "real" issue does to you.

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There are derogatory comments made about "the Portuguese" in the Julia Robert's film Mystic Pizza. I think there is a poor immigrant community of people from Portugal in coastal Massachusetts area.

I know only one person I can think of at the moment who has been there, and they went to the Azores for business.

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I am Brazilian. Therefore, unable to judge how much Portugal is known to other people.
However, everyone who watch movies or TV series know a thing or two about the American culture and one can notice that the average citizen is self-centered, oblivious and ignorant (no offense) about foreign countries.
Few Americans "dare" to listen or watch something in a foreign language.
As far as I know, they even translate operas (Which is a crime!).
I have already seen my country wrongly depicted in shows as distinct as SNL, the Simpsons and Johnny Quest.
So, I guess it is not only about Portugal, it is a more general thing.

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I am Brazilian. Therefore, unable to judge how much Portugal is known to other people.
However, everyone who watch movies or TV series know a thing or two about the American culture and one can notice that the average citizen is self-centered, oblivious and ignorant (no offense) about foreign countries.
Few Americans "dare" to listen or watch something in a foreign language.
As far as I know, they even translate operas (Which is a crime!).
I have already seen my country wrongly depicted in shows as distinct as SNL, the Simpsons and Johnny Quest.
So, I guess it is not only about Portugal, it is a more general thing.

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I've been to Brazil. (Recife, Salvador, Belo Horizonte, Ouro Preto, and Rio.) Have you seen the movie Blame it on Rio? They have topless women on the beach with monkeys. The film was actually made in France, and they did not take the time to research whether or not there are topless beaches in Brazil or if monkeys make the beach their home. I notice this in films where there are gross errors noted after the release of the film and always wonder why they didn't have at least one person from the country they are representing watch it before release. I'm not even Brazilian and would know that was wrong!

I think few people realize that over half the people in South America speak Portuguese. I read that the magazine Veja (like Newsweek) is something like the third most distributed weekly worldwide in recent years.

FYI: I recently rewatched Black Orpheus (the original) and just today watched the French subtitled Lady Chatterley's Lover. Not only am I from the US, but from the Deep South. We Southerners get tired of being portrayed as bumbling rednecks when there are just as many of the equivalent in every other region of our country. We get misportrayed in media, too.

You might enjoy the documentary Olhar Estrangiero (The Foreign Eye), a film about misconceptions of Brazil as portrayed in film and television: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIV9r1nf4iM The IMDB page for Olhar Estrangeiro: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0792983/

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Other than Brazil most south America speaks Spanish... and Peru is also misrepresented in film, actually, films do their best to misrepresent the world specially Hollywood that loves offensive mirepresentation of everywhere not in the US.

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Yet, still most spoken:

With over 260 million speakers, Portuguese is the fifth most spoken language in the world, the most widely spoken in the southern hemisphere, and the third most spoken in the Western world... Today it is one of the world's major languages, ranked seventh according to number of native speakers (between 205 and 230 million). It is the language of about half of South America's population, even though Brazil is the only Portuguese-speaking nation in the Americas.

This was also what we were told years ago in our Portuguese class in college. Brazil is huge. I don't remember ever studying much about Brazil before college. I'm not sure I even knew that Portuguese was spoken anywhere other than Portugal. (It's also spoken in Angola and Mozambique, among other places.) I was agreeing with the Brazilian poster here who said we in the US often know little about the rest of the world. Portuguese is the most spoken or at least equally spoken in South America, yet most people here probably don't even realize it's spoken anywhere other than Portugal. Even one of the directors in the video I posted above about misrepresentations of Brazil in media thought they spoke Spanish, and he had made a film about the country!

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> With over 260 million speakers, Portuguese is the fifth most spoken language
> in the world, the most widely spoken in the southern hemisphere, and the
> third most spoken in the Western world

Portuguese will receive more prominence in the next decade because Brazil is now a major economic power. We're seeing the same thing with Mandarin Chinese. Its popularity skyrocketed because the Chinese economy skyrocketed,, and many Americans now think that learning Mandarin will give them an edge in the job market. In fact, many high schools and even kindergartens are now offering Mandarin classes. Prior to this period of Chinese economic growth, the culturally dominant dialect was Cantonese, not Mandarin. That's because it's the dialect of Hong Kong, Singapore and most Chinatowns around the world, i.e. Australia, the UK, Canada, Jamaica (which a huge Chinese population) and the US. Even though many more people have always spoken Mandarin (because of the huge mainland Chinese population), Hong Kong cinema's influence was huge in disseminating Cantonese. Whether China can do the same with Mandarin is questionable. As an example, because virtually all DVD players are manufactured in China, they tried to assert some influence by introducing the competing SVCD format when DVDs were still expensive. SVCD used then-cheaper CDs to store data. It didn't work, and both VCDs and SVCDs only gained popularity in Asia.

The US obsession with learning Mandarin is misguided. While a huge number of people do speak Mandarin, they're mostly in a single country, China. That's because China was never an imperialistic country, and didn't expand beyond their own borders. All the expansion was contiguous within Asia. Even exploration did not lead to conquering, i.e. there is evidence that the Chinese arrived in America before Columbus, but they lost interest. One reason was the Chinese belief that that outsiders were barbarians, and not worthy of their interest.

Because Mandarin is spoken mostly within China, it's not a useful language to learn unless you plan to work in China. Even dealing with Chinese companies doesn't require a knowledge of Mandarin because most younger Chinese know English. Indeed, many of their pop songs are littered with English phrases like, "Oh baby" and "I love you," and American rap is quite popular in China. As for the US, Mandarin won't be very useful because there is unlikely to be a large influx of Mandarin-speaking immigrants. The Chinese immigrant population will speak mostly Cantonese (many in HOng Kong still want the "American Dream") and Fujian (among the poorest region in China), not Mandarin. The reason is simple: as mainland China become more wealthy, there will be no reason to emigrate to the US. The fact is, most Chinese immigrants are here not here for political freedom, but economic opportunities. I worked in Columbia University's Biostatistical program, where 70-80% of the grad students were from China. Virtually all of them planned to return to China upon graduation.

Since there won't be a major Mandarin-speaking immigrant population, and Mandarin is spoken mostly in one country (albeit by a lot of people!), learning the language for professional purposes is misguided. Spanish is still the best bet for American students because of the huge and growing Latino immigrant population, and the number of countries that speak Spanish.

Wow ... I really digressed into a rant that has nothing to do with Portugal! Sorry ... this is a topic I've been researching and it somehow seeped its way into this thread. In my defense, I did write a long response to the original question (Do Americans know much about Portugal) about an hour ago.

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"The US obsession with learning Mandarin is misguided. While a huge number of people do speak Mandarin, they're mostly in a single country, China. That's because China was never an imperialistic country, and didn't expand beyond their own borders. All the expansion was contiguous within Asia. Even exploration did not lead to conquering, i.e. there is evidence that the Chinese arrived in America before Columbus, but they lost interest. One reason was the Chinese belief that that outsiders were barbarians, and not worthy of their interest."

Do you forget about the millions of immigrants who left China and came to America? Do you realize how many people in every city are Chinese/speak Mandarin? Just because you don't know anyone who speaks it, doesn't make learning it pointless. And how are you gonna compare something that happened over 500 years ago to today's world? Obviously in America, it is more important to learn Spanish over Mandarin, due to the fact that we border Mexico. We are full of many races and cultures here, trying to say it is pointless to learn certain languages, is well, pointless.

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However, everyone who watch movies or TV series know a thing or two about the American culture and one can notice that the average citizen is self-centered, oblivious and ignorant (no offense) about foreign countries.
Few Americans "dare" to listen or watch something in a foreign language."


As Americans, all we can say is, all you have to do is read about our political wrangles to know that this statement is sadly true. We even make laws forbidding the use of other languages and there are movements to amend the Constitution to make English the official language in the U.S.
This from a country founded by and composed of immigrants! You would think we would celebrate our unique differences. And since we consider ourselves number one in the world, it would be important to educate ourselves on the rest of the world.

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It takes great ignorancy to ignore that Brazil speaks Portuguese... But "about half of south America's population" must be mistaken statistics.

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It's not a mistake. Brazil is huge. And the same information my professors taught years ago when I was in college.

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Based on figures from 2006 Brazil has a population of 193,891,867 while South America has a total population of 379,289,000.

That is better than half.

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"everyone who watch movies or TV series know a thing or two about the American culture and one can notice that the average citizen is self-centered, oblivious and ignorant"

"I have already seen my country wrongly depicted in shows as distinct as SNL, the Simpsons and Johnny Quest."

So you're determining an entire population's knowledge of everything foreign based on TV shows and movies, and the examples you provide are SNL, The Simpsons, and Johnny Quest? Really? I mean, really?

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As a kid I lived in a Portuguese neighborhood in New Jersey, so I'm very familiar with Portugal and the Portuguese culture. That's just speaking for myself, though.

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