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Dumbasses don't even know what a skinwalker is.


A skinwalker is a Navajo demon, not a werewolf. Some people are effin stupid.

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I thought it was a shaman (sorry if I got the spelling wrong, it's very late on my end) that was evil and could shape-shift or something like that.

And as for these people being effin' stupid - have you ignored half the books/shows that talk about werewolf legends and myths? Skinwalkers is often associated with werewolf lore. Not to mention there was an episode of Smallville that was even more far off than this.

Really, this is just something similar to what's happened with zombies. And angels and Satan and half the other legendary/supernatural beings.

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Its just that I live about 15 minutes from the Navajo reservation in New Mexico, so I hear about skinwalkers all the time. This is the first time I've ever heard them referred to as a werewolf or anything. I have heard the shaman thing, and from what I've heard from some Navajo friends they can shapeshift.

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Well, maybe before you come on here and say what you think a skinwalker really is and call the people behind the movie dumbasses for not knowing what a skinwalker really is, you should make sure you've got it right. There have already been several posts about what a skinwalker really is, and I'm pretty sure "demon" was never used. It has always been described as something very bad, but pretty sure not a "demon".

I've read in a couple of interviews where at least some of the actors know some of the folklore and have said it has some basis in the actual lore, but it's a werewolf spin. Which isn't that unusual. Skinwalkers, and even the Wendigo, are often used as examples of various cultures' legends of werewolves, or werewolf type creatures.

See No Evil - it's like King Kong meets Friday the 13th.

July 27 - Skinwalkers, finally.

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I just wish they couldve used more native american imagery.

*yawn* yet another werewolf movie.

A movie based on that book "The Skinwalker Ranch" would've been better.

"There's no point in being grown-up if you can't act childish, sometimes." - The Doctor (Tom Baker)

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ummmm...this movie sucks! And it might benefit from the producers calling it a werewolf movie. That is not the case here, they are something else...Stupid!

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I'm really disappointed by all these posts about how bad this movie is.

I'm really into lycanthrope and shape-shifting, so I was hoping this would be a decent movie (even though the trailer makes it look like 'John Carpenter's Vampires'). Too bad it seems its going to be as bad as 'the Covenant' (don't see it, whatever you do, save your sanity)

And for the record, Skinwalkers aren't always evil. It isn't just a native american story too, there are shapeshifters in almost every tribal culture. Vikings believed people could "put on their bear shirt" and become as strong and fierce as a bear. Hence the origin of the word "Berserk".

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It does not seem anything near as choppy as The Covenant. Plus, it has way more talent than The Covenant. (Especially with Elias Koteas and Kim Coates.) The Covenant suffered from too many pretty boys, two horrible female actresses, and horrible editing/direction/dialogue, not to mention trying to bank on Underworld's success.

I'm getting a headache from all these blue tinted movies. No offense to Underworld, I still love that movie. But the blue tinting needs to stop.

See No Evil - it's like King Kong meets Friday the 13th.

July 27 - Skinwalkers, finally.

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Yeah that's true, my ex-fiance was navajo and she told about that.

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This is REALLY weird, because as of yesterday I'd never heard of the term skin walker before and then last night I was watching an episode of Smallville when Clark helps protect these caves with a tribe that had a skin walker in it. And then today i look at the new trailers and there's this movie. That's just is really weird to me. And I just was reading Slaughterhouse-Five this morning and its got this saying in it and I watch the trailer for Mr. Brooks and he's saying that saying to himself. Small world.

You seem a decent fellow, I hate to kill you.
You seem a decent fellow , I hate to die.

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I agree but Hollywood will be Hollywood. I never knew that it was like what you said because my friend is Yavapi and he told me it was somewhat like zombie, half man half beast w/e. Hollywood though needs to get more into the Native American imagery than driving a car down a road hearing skinwalker then think of werewolf. Might as well call it Werewolfs at 13th Street

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"A skinwalker is a Navajo demon, not a werewolf. Some people are effin stupid."

Hey Tonto, why don't you take a walk around the Reservation and cool down.

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Hey Cletus,

why don't you go have a hunting accident?

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hey *beep* you ham.

"There's no point in being grown-up if you can't act childish, sometimes." - The Doctor (Tom Baker)

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Skinwalkers is on the reservation and I'm too scared. Oh wait, I'm not Navajo so I don't have anything to worry about. Maybe I'll sit here staying blissfully ignorant and eating crow while ya'll ramble on about how important this werewolf movie is okay.

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isnt a skinwalker a shape shifter?
season one of supernatural has an episode called skin and it is about shape shifters,,
when i was this as an upcoming movie i automatically assumed that it was about shapeshifters.
is it actually about werewolfs? or something else entierly?
some one care to explain

oh by the way,, sorry bout the spelling,, its kinda late
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thent he movie is wrong

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Kinda amusing when the OP starts his/her rant with the writers being dumbasses because they don’t know what a skinwalker is; and then it turns out the OP isn’t exactly sure what one is, but just lives near an Navajo reservation.

But seriously. Skinwalker, Werewolf, Vampire, Demons, etc. They all get revamped, altered etc. The concepts of them were evident in several cultures, and when writers decide to do a story for them, they pick the aspects they like the most for the biggest dramatic aspect. It’s one reason why you see Vampire stories with teeth and sex appeal (western) more often, rather than extremely long haired ghosts that hop around rather than walk (eastern).

Saying that a movie with the name “Skinwalker” must only have Navajo traits is a bit narrow minded, in that it ignores other culture’s versions of them; as well as it would prohibit writers having creative license over the subject.

Either way, I want some more good Werewolf flicks. Not that this will necessarily be one, but hey, it’s an attempt.

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Framingtonkrawler, just because YOU live 15 minutes from a reservation, doesnt mean the rest of us do.big difference there buddy! please stop writing before you make yourself look more like a fool then you already have!

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tht is interesting

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It's not just wolves they change into.

"There's no point in being grown-up if you can't act childish, sometimes." - The Doctor (Tom Baker)

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Don't be such a winerbaby, it's not like Skinwalker is a common thing among hollywood. Oops they made a mistake that may be offensive to some group or another. Who cares, get over it

I'd think it'd be an hornor to be Jennifer Garners #$%!@

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This is officially my favorite comment in this thread, and mainly because you said (well, typed), "winerbaby".

See No Evil - it's like King Kong meets Friday the 13th.

July 27 - Skinwalkers, finally.

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You're kidding right? Excuse me if I'm wrong, but aren't writers supposed to do LOTS of research on a topic before trying to pitch it to some producer?

"There's no point in being grown-up if you can't act childish, sometimes." - The Doctor (Tom Baker)

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nah man, its the fact that some idiotic writer didnt bother doing any real research into the story of a skinwalker.

hell, there is an old episode of Kolchak the Nightstalker when he faced a skinwalker who changed into a wolf and a crow.

"There's no point in being grown-up if you can't act childish, sometimes." - The Doctor (Tom Baker)

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As long as the company they're pitching it to likes the idea of th movie it doesn't matter if a Harvard Schollar on the subject wrote it, or if i just pulled the entre story out of my hairy @#%. No one has to do any research.... duh

I'd think it'd be an hornor to be Jennifer Garners #$%!@

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I'd rather watch a movie about Skinwalkers written by a Harvard Scholar who actually knows what in the hell he's talking about than a movie written by a Hollywood douchebag. Maybe that's just me, though.

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I think he was just making a point that people don't necessarily have to do research. In fact, most movies today, people haven't done much or any research. However, I don't want a movie that's loaded with a bunch of intellect and no heart or soul or wonder. Movies are about wonder.

See No Evil - it's like King Kong meets Friday the 13th.

July 27 - Skinwalkers, finally.

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I dunno... I just think people should think twice about appropriating native stories and show more respect to a people who have had MORE than enough stolen from them (I'm a non-native, for the record). I'm not saying I want a movie that's super-intellectual (though I wouldn't mind it either), I'm saying I'd like to see a bit more respect and knowledge of the subject matter.

The fact that most big-budget hollywood film-makers don't do much or any research into their source material is one of the biggest problems with hollywood movies, period. Just because everybody else is (or, in this case, isn't) doing it doesn't necessarily make it right.

This is all just my opinion, though.

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Frankly, I think we should wait until it's closer to the movie's release and we have more information, or afterwards before getting onto them about whether or not they did their research. There may be more in the movie that connects to what is known about the various skinwalker legends.

Another thing is, why should one people or religion deserve more respect than any others? I'm not saying all religions and cultures shouldn't be respected, far from it. I wish there was more respect, especially for peoples' beliefs and things that are sacred. But I don't think Hollywood should play favorites, either.

See No Evil - it's like King Kong meets Friday the 13th.

July 27 - Skinwalkers, finally.

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I'm not trying to argue with you, and I'm really sorry if it seems that way.

I'm going to reserve judgement on this movie until I see it, my original reply was to a post about hollywood movies not doing research. Overall I think this movie looks like fun and I probably will enjoy it, unless it finds some way to REALLY piss me off.

I don't think Hollywood should "play favorites", they should respect ALL cultures equally. I don't know how faithful the movie will be to the actual folklore, but they need to understand why some people would be irritated by the generalization of skinwalkers as werewolves. If they don't turn into anything besides wolves, that is.

I dunno... I just have an issue with Western, colonial societies misinterpreting and generalizing other culture's stories and beliefs, and Native peoples suffer the worst of this.

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Nope, doesn't seem that way - just seems like friendly and civil discussion amongst two different werewolf fans. A rarity for me.

I do think writers should do research on whatever it is they're writing. I don't know how picky I am on the amount of research and how thorough and in-depth they have to be, I suppose it would depend on the subject.

Honestly though, I doubt LGF and the people behind the movie are completely naive about how some people might react to the "skinwalker" folklore being in the movie. But skinwalkers are something that have long been associated with werewolves and grouped with werewolves. I think it's because of the name itself, more than the legends. I guess my problem is, I haven't seem many people complaining it about it until this specific movie, and the movie isn't even out yet. So far, it doesn't look like it's done anything new or worse than what's already been done with the legend in other media. That doesn't mean that it remain that way after the movie comes out, I'm just saying I've been reading in various places where people are complaining like this is the first time the Skinwalker legend has been messed with and talking like they know it will be even worse when the movie comes out.

I'm a Christian. I'm a fairly conservative Christian. I and many of my fellow Christians hold our faith very sacred, and Hollywood is pretty darn far off with its movies about Christianity. But I still enjoy movies like Constantine, The Prophecy, etc. Heck, even See No Evil. Hollywood is just a place where faith doesn't really matter (unless it's INCREDIBLY politically incorrect to mess with that faith) and cultures are often stereotyped. I guess to a certain extent I'm just really jaded in this department. Not that I don't think anyone should ever complain if something sacred to them is, for lack of a better word due to my brain not working, defamed. I just think sometimes people should wait and make certain it's defamed as badly as they say.

It's really late on my end and I'm sick, so I apologize if this post is oncomprehensible.

See No Evil - it's like King Kong meets Friday the 13th.

July 27 - Skinwalkers, finally.

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I completely understand and hope you feel better soon!

My beef is more with colonialism, and less with this movie. I just figured I'd through my two cents in on the subject, because I support the Native American people taking back their stories and their voice.

The skinwalker legend is generally associated with werewolves in popular culture, I'm not at all surprised a movie about "Skinwalkers" is going to involve werewolves. Anybody who acts like they didn't see it coming is completely naive.
I think the movie looks like a ton of fun. I guess I'd just like to see a supernatural movie involving shape-shifters thats really well researched and crafted.
Maybe I'll have to make it myself some day? Maybe this'll be it!

I won't know 'til I see it.



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Thank you. I just tend to ramble even worse, and more incoherently, when I'm tired and/or sick, heh.

While I think this has the potential to be that or movie, or at least, a really decently made werewolf/shape-shifter movie, I wouldn't be surprised if this was one of those "If you want something right, you have to do it yourself" subjects. Unfortunately, werewolf movies get jipped a lot. And usually, it seems to be the studio's fault.

Darn vampires and zombies. They take all the decent movies.

See No Evil - it's like King Kong meets Friday the 13th.

July 27 - Skinwalkers, finally.

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Oh please spare me that "heart and soul" crap. Such drivel gives me diabetes. Writers nowadays are just so *beep* lazy. They don't care about the craft anymore

"There's no point in being grown-up if you can't act childish, sometimes." - The Doctor (Tom Baker)

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Actually your very wrong my friend

you need to look at the name straight away, a skin walker is a sort of high priest or Shamen who take the hides of animals, wear them and have to imitate the animal, once they can do it perfectly, they transform themselves into the animal

"and let me guess you must be the monopoly guy, hey thanks for the free parking"

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people on the reservations are always conflicting with one other (i used to live there) so some say the "witches" as some call them do witchcraft on one another, they are called skinwalkers. basically not only can they crawl into a dead animals skin and become them but they do a few other dark craft, such as making a person sick, etc. It's kind of like "the Missing", basically. (oh yeah, i'm navajo so i pretty much know some of the stuff)

Everything is HOTTER down SOUTH!!

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Devil_N_Red is much smarter than the idiot with the werewolf fetish. Punk-rawker there probably has an extreme fondness for those lame Furries characters seen in comics (american and japanese) etc.

"There's no point in being grown-up if you can't act childish, sometimes." - The Doctor (Tom Baker)

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Actually, I don't know any furry comic characters. Unless you count the werewolf in Werewolf By Night. I have a vague awareness of Wolf's Rain, but have never read or watched that series.

Would all the immature posters here please stop making insulting assumptions about me? Just because I don't conform to most werewolf fans' standards doesn't mean I'm a male jackoff who likes Kate Beckinsale and Hentai. I'm female, I'm straight, and I can't stand Beckinsale. I'm not emo. I certainly a geek. If you think I'm an idiot just because I like werewolves, then fine. I think you're an idiot because you can't properly spell my username, which is a reference to ATHF that you obviously didn't get.

See No Evil - it's like King Kong meets Friday the 13th.

July 27 - Skinwalkers, finally.

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I'm going to throw down as well here. Respectfully of course.

In folklore, more often than not, actual tales of creatures vary widely depending on whatever area you happen to be in. In this circumstance, as has been vaguely mentioned in this board, the Navajo have multiple explanations for this creature. One of these happens to be a person who takes the shape of a wolf. So in a loose sense, the title of the movie can be considered correct.

As far as Hollywood plundering folklore and legends and presenting it in an incorrect fashion or more precisely a fashion that someone happens to disagree with will always happen, simply because no matter how much research one does into a topic like this the problem I asserted in the first paragraph will guarantee that someone will take offense to it.

In another example we have the show Supernatural, which I love, however they simply state salt keeps demons at bay. Technically it has to be a pure form of salt. Sea salt works, non-iodized salt works, but you can't just grab the table shaker off the table and ward away evil. At least according to what I've found on this certain example. But really why go into that? It's a simple plot device they use in the show and it works.

Also I agree with Punkrock err. It's perfectly fine to research a subject and have true elements from something, but if you want to make an Underworld style movie, really the Skinwalker legend doesn't work for that. Dramatic license often leads to much better movies than simply getting the facts right or presenting it in a realistic manner. Also, it's easier to act cynical then to simply appreciate things for what they are and to enjoy them.

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skinwalkers is a term used by the Navajo and refers to a "witch", someone out of harmony with the Navajo way, but skinwalkers are sposed to be able to shapeshift too....i think that's where the reference comes in.

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Whats a nubian?

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A werewolf is close enough to a skinwalker that the general public will not know the difference. I'm 1/4 American Indian (I personally don't care for the Native American title, so don't use it) and have studied a great deal of the legends/myths. I don't take offense to the use of the term as it's applied here. I think we all need to lighten up a bit. AND, I'm looking forward to this film. I love wolves in all their incarnations.

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I am someone who has studied various accounts of the supernatural and occult from around the world including the legends of werewolves. Where the producers/writers/everyone else involved with this film have it right is that in certain European and Slavic cultures, a person who strips naked, anoints themselves with a special ointment containing a mixture of herbs and magical ingredients and then covers their body with the hide of a wolf beneath the full moon will become a werewolf. The term used by any who shapeshifts in this manner is a Skinwalker. They wear the skin of an animal to assume that animal's appearance and abilities. The connection to the term skinwalker and a werewolf can easily be made in this way. I also think it was meant by the writers to be more of a play on words. They are beasts who walk in the skins of men. The proverbial wolf in sheep's clothing.

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That's a really good theory - especially in regards to the fed Skinwalkers.

"This is really something. I don't know what, but it's something." - Crow T. Robot

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All I know is when I lived in Arizona 27 years ago we read an Indian story about one of their legends in school about werewolves and they were called skinwalkers in the book.

I'm a citizen of The United States. That's right, we are better than you. You Ameriphobes.

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