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Unbelievably naive plot


Only in the overtly pc Germany, could someone concoct a story like this.. I mean seriously, would you fall in love with someone whose just slaughtered your relatives, friends & neighbours with fire bombs?

Jesus wept.

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It is possible. My grandmother was a German woman who fell in love with an American soldier during the war, then she returned to the states with him after the war. Her brothers were officers in the Wehrmacht. And it is a soldiers job to fight to preserve a better future and even if that means the lose of innocence. Love is love, and all people are not the same. Just because someone is significantly different doesn't mean you cannot share great affection for them.

Just my thoughts..

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But this is the complete and utter destruction of Dresden we're talking about..

30.000 - 100.000 people were put to their deaths. The city reduced to ashes.

Could you there and then fall in love with someone who was part of the bombing campaign? I doubt it very much.

I don't think your grandmother's relationship with his american husband started in a circumstance such as the one described above.

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they met after the bombing of hamburg.

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250,000 were killed.

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She was already falling for him by the time she found out who he was. She saw him talk that little boy out of killing himself, so she knew that he was a good guy.
Also, she had already seen first-hand what Nazis were like and that they were not good....

There are plenty of people who can separate what military people do with the individuals who are in the military. People understand war and what it is like.
Germans understood "following orders", too.

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I agree with you Suzanne and I have seen it first hand. Please refer to my answer to "More about people than the city of Dresden" under the name "Nowlang". I had not read your answers/comments when I wrote my comment that are in line with with you said. Btw, do you speak French (your name)?
Sincerely,
Lancelot

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Sorry I did not reply before, never came back here.
No, sorry, that is my married name and I do not speak French.

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"There had to be Englishman in there to give us a reason to watch it"

I'm Finnish & I don't pick the movies I can/can't watch based on the fact whether there's a Finnish character in the movie.

I've seen many documentaries about Dresden and I think that overtly pc (the main character's love interest just couldn't have been a German, they were all Nazi monsters straight from hell) movies like this are sickening.

I repeat my earlier queston: How fond feelings would a nurse, who'd be in the center stage of all the suffering, have for a man who just took part in the cold blooded (and totally needless) killing of thousands of unarmed refugees?

Here's a historic fact: late in the war German pilots were equipped with an arm band with the words "German Air Force" to prevent them from being mistaken for Allied pilots, so in case they bailed out from their aircraft and lost their consciousness, they would not be lynched by German civilians who were out to exact "eye for an eye" style of revenge on Allied pilots.

P.s. don't compare "Slaughterhouse Five" to a crappy movie like this. Vonnegut denounced the bombings while "Dresden" turns the whole thing into a ridicilous soap opera.


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Were are "all Nazi monsters"?
Maybe the one who killed the poor old people in the bunker when they asked him to?
The man who was killed (as being a nazi), because he searched a pot for his baby?
OF COURSE there are still nazis in that movie who believe germany will win.
In every goddamn movie and documentary are those people who thought everything will be good for them. The red army will win at the east, the allies will give up and all that crap. But many people realized in just those moments where they are totally helpless that they can't win, that they have to help, no matter if it means killing someone for his own good or sacrificing yourself.

My grandgrandfather was one of the first categorie, he was the lead of a candy factury and believed in his regime. But when the bombs fell at Köln and Duisburg he saved most of the jews and hid them in his basement. And why? Because is son, my grandfather was taken by the nazis to sent him to the front. He wanted to get back to them and saved 37 jews.
It's funny how your stance can change when you get into a other position as you are used to.

Maybe it's not the best movie and yes, it surely is not sooooo realistic (it's a drama for gods sake, it has to be entertaining AND keep at the real happenings, movies like Rambo who plays with real wars are never critizised because of their small plot!), but it is at least realistic in the way that not all germans thought of the allies as the enemie and of Hitler and his regime as the god sent might. And that can be seen in this movie more then enough. The father who doesn't likes Nazis and wanted to go to switzerland, the nurse who falls in love with a british pilot, the other nurse who loves a jew, the soldier who was shot for simply wanting to feed his own baby. It's a fictional plot, but it could have happend easily somewhere in germany at 1945. Many germans were traitors and killed for that, it's far from being unrealistic if you say that a german girl turns against germany (by loving someone from the allies)

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I find it amusing how you can use a broad bush to paint all Germans of that time as Nazi monsters, when Finland was part of the Axis during World War II.

Funny how you conveniently forget about that when accusing Germany of being Nazi monsters.

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Finland, however, was never a strong supporter of Nazi Germany and felt that an alliance with Hitler would help ensure that the country would remain independent

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i'm a sucker when it comes to WWII tv series/movies especially international ones, it might be cliche, but it was good, i think the two protagonist understood each other the moment they met. Plus she wasn't a full pledge nazi like her little sister who was after all in the Bund deutsche madel.
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Of course there are many loopholes in the plot - how does Robert know such fluent German, for instance (yes, some RAF pilots came from university and might have read languages, but it's not very likely he'd find his way this fast) and when he is sneaking through the hospital corridors, wouldn't he be given away by his English uniform jacket even if it's a bit shredded? The love story is a bit inspired by Titanic too I think (the guy trapped and the woman held "captive" to stop her getting to him, and then disaster strikes). But I can suspend disbelief here, the mise-en-scene and flow of the story are very good and the acting is solid and stays clear off melodrama. The evocation of the horrors of that night is biblical and at the same time brutally realistic.

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Strausszek: Robert knew German because his mother was German.

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The similarity with Titanic ... more so Pearl ... cannot be denied! But it was still enjoyable to watch. No way does he show up at the party ... more so he goes and gets the morphine and comes back.

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The plot is indeed quite ridiculous. I don't have any problem with people from enemy nations falling in love, but rather my main issue is with the way in which Anna and Robert fell in love in the film. I can understand why Anna did not report Robert to the authorities when she discovered him in the cellar. I can also accept that Anna, as a nurse, felt an obligation to attend to his wounds. But later, when Robert posed as a wounded German soldier and was put into a hospital bed, for absolutely no reason they began kissing each other. At that point, she didn't know who he was and in fact they had hardly spoken to each other at all. Moreover, she already had a fiancé. What did Robert and Anna see in each other?

Later, Anna got upset on learning that Robert was a bomber pilot: she had thought he was a spy! Bomber pilots, after all, were just following orders and had no choice. It never occurred to her that an enemy spy could have done far greater damage to her country.

Then Robert escaped and instead of making himself scarce, chose to stay to expose her father's black market dealings in morphine. He even attended her engagement party with many German officers present. By that time, the film had already thrown all common sense and logic out the window.

At the height of bombing, Anna ran away from the shelter to look for Robert and indirectly caused the death of her father when he searched for her. Of course, the script requires that she should find him before he died, and that later her fiancé should find her and then they together should find Robert! Presumably that could happen because Dresden had a population of just some 50 people.

The film could have focused more on the bombing itself - especially the more controversial politics and other considerations behind the British decision. Instead, the romance part was just silly. Also, I don't find Anna to be a sympathetic character: she was far too selfish. A story about that German woman with her Jewish husband or the German boy soldier would have been more engaging.

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