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THE WOMAN who is NOT IN TROUBLE

posted 12 years ago by xxpo
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When we see LOST GIRL standing there on the SNOWY STREET in POLAND with the other girls she says:

Look at me and tell me if you’ve known me before.

Which is also an ECHO of DEVON/BILLY telling SUE

he's NEVER KNOWN ANYONE LIKE HER BEFORE

which is also the PICK UP LINE HE'S USED ON SUE BLUE ...

DURING the REHEARSAL FOR SCENE 35 inside of STAGE 4.

AND

falling for the PICK UP LINE is also a reason why THIS is a WOMAN IN TROUBLE.

In contrast to the WOMAN in TROUBLE ...

who FALLS for the PICK UP line of the BIG BAD WOLF in the AXXON N TALE ...

we also have the other WOMAN who is NOT IN TROUBLE ...

because she DOES NOT FALL for his PICK UP LINE ...

even though she also FALLS under his SPELL and into BED with him:

SUE

Where you been?

THE LADY (NASTASSJA):

I had the most incredible experience. It all started at Al’s. I was sitting in the back, you know, where the bathrooms are. There was this guy…he turned around and looked at me and…I just lit up inside. You know. He asked me if I wanted a beer, and I said: I said, yeah, okay, thank you. And then I noticed he had a ring. He was married, but…I didn’t care.

And then, he said he was just passing through. And, uh, he asked me my name, and I told him.

He said his name was Billy.

(AKA: DEVON/BILLY the ACTOR in KINGSLEY'S FILM)

And, he said: nice to meet you. And I said, nice to meet you, Billy.

Pete was in the back, serving up a beer to Sandra.

And, uh, I don’t know, he suddenly, like, I met you before.

And I’m like, I’m not falling for that line.

But now I said, I think I’ve met you before.

And I thought I’d met him before, but I don’t even remember where.

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And then suddenly he said, like…

I wanted him so bad, and I felt he felt the same thing, you know?

And then he said:

I want you.

And I said: where do you want to go?

And he said he was staying at the hotel

So here's a woman who FALLS under the SPELL of DEVON ...

the FAMOUS MOVIE STAR who goes to the BAR and PRETENDS to be BILLY ...

but unlike the rest of the VICTIMS who also fall for the ILLUSIONS of his PICK UP LINE:

HE'S NEVER KNOWN ANYONE LIKE THEM BEFORE

(The SAME PICK UP LINE that we hear in the REHEARSAL for SCENE 35 inside of STAGE 4) ...

this other woman also HAS NO ILLUSIONS about the ENCOUNTER she has with him being any thing More than just a CHANCE ENCOUNTER OR A ONE NIGHT STAND.

So is this the SECRET to the SUCCESS of having had an ENCOUNTER with the BIG BAD WOLF in this AXXON N TALE???

To simply FALL for the SEDUCTION of HIS MOVIE STAR CHARMS ...

HAVE A GOOD TIME being with him ...

and then to not GIVE A DAMN about HIM or HIS SUPERFICIAL CHARMS afterwards???

In other words, is the SECRET to SUCCESS being a WOMAN who THINKS LIKE A MAN does about the SEXUAL ENCOUNTERS that she has with another man ...

which is to also NOT GIVE A DAMN about him or the ENCOUNTER AFTERWARDS ???

[–] xxpo 12 years ago

STILL another interesting thing to note is how we see JACK RABBIT as the one who EXITS the HOTEL ROOM at the end of this MONOLOGUE where NASTASSJA explains to DERN about the ENCOUNTER SHE'S had with this BILLY/DEVON in the BAR.

And we also see JACK RABBIT exit the HALLWAY of the HOTEL and then enter the STAIRS that LOST GIRL LATER takes to get back inside of SMITHY'S HOUSE again ...

through the BACK WAY.

What's also interesting is how others also say MR. K is suppose to be JACK RABBIT ...

because we also see JACK RABBIT SITTING DOWN at the desk of MR. K.

But is he MR. K or another CLIENT of MR. K who needs help???

[–] Solasd 11 years ago

I still think he's a client who wants to tell about his secret

(he may also want to provide information about the Phantom to Mr.K since it seems he overheard the Phantom's conversation with Janek, and maybe later the call Mr.K receives is another update (as dropkick23 has pointed out if I am not wrong)

and your points imply that he may also tell what he heard about the Kinski character's experience (If we assume there's a thematic connection between Billy and the Phantom)

I am not sure but doesn't he take a seat on the side where the Dern character is sitting later (so Mr.K would be sitting on the other side)?

As colors are very important in this movie, Jack's blue coat also connects him to Susan Blue

[–] xxpo 11 years ago

Thanks for your contribution to this topic Sol.

This Scene where JACK SITS down at the DESK of MR. K still remains a MYSTERY for me ...

as does much of the MIDDLE SECTION of IE ...

which is FRAGMENTED ...

due to the way in which the 2 LEADING CHARACTERS are KILLED???

which probably also leaves us with an UNFINISHED FILM VERSION of 47???

Yes one could assume JACK is there to TELL HIS SIDE of the STORY to MR. K ...

and he may also begin by saying:

THERE'S a WOMAN he ONCE KNEW ...

and that it doesn't matter WHAT HER NAME WAS ...

But others also say they think JACK RABBIT is MR. K ???

Do you think JACK OVERHEARS the CONVERSATION between JANEK and THE PHANTOM or do you also think it's possible he may also have MORPHED into being either THE PHANTOM or MR. K???

So dk thinks it was JACK who calls MR. K on the TELEPHONE when MR. K says CRIMP'S AROUND HERE SOMEWHERE ...

that's FOR SURE???

Could THE PHANTOM also be the EVIL TWIN COPY of DERN that MR. K is speaking to at that time???

Because we also seem to have 2 DIFFERENT DERNS that talk to MR. K:

1. One that says she was SHACKING UP

2. One that says she was living with HER HUSBAND

So was JACK also wearing a BLUE COAT???

INTERESTING ...

And was he also sitting on the same side of the table as DERN???

That other device on the DESK also kinda looks like it has an ELECTRICAL CORD of some kind that is attached to it.

Wonder if that thing might also be a device like a CATTLE PROD that they use to KILL COWS???

Only this one is a SMALLER device due to the way in which RABBITS aren't as big as cows???

And DERN also sits there holding that SCEW DRIVER in her hand ...

so MR. K would probably also be a WISE MAN to have something like that nearby him in case of an EMERGENCY ...

especially after he INSULTS the MEMORY of her MOTHER the way he does by saying:

HE LIKES PANCAKES???

That EXPRESSION on DERN'S FACE as it MORPHS into one that looks like its about to KILL HIM ...

before it MORPHS back into a more CALM EXPRESSION again is PRICELESS ...

and as GOOD AS IT GETS!!!

[–] xxpo 10 years ago

Solasd says:

I still think he's a client who wants to tell about his secret

(he may also want to provide information about the Phantom to Mr.K since it seems he overheard the Phantom's conversation with Janek, and maybe later the call Mr.K receives is another update (as dropkick23 has pointed out if I am not wrong)

and your points imply that he may also tell what he heard about the Kinski character's experience (If we assume there's a thematic connection between Billy and the Phantom)

I am not sure but doesn't he take a seat on the side where the Dern character is sitting later (so Mr.K would be sitting on the other side)?

As colors are very important in this movie, Jack's blue coat also connects him to Susan Blue

Is there anyone else out there who also agrees with this interpretation???

Does JACK RABBIT SPY on the PHANTOM and JANEK and report what he hears to MR. K???

Is it possible JACK RABBIT also MORPHS into his HUMAN SHAPE to become either JANEK or the PHANTOM in the scene where we see him DISAPPEAR from the DOORWAY then APPEAR there again after the end of the conversation???

And don't JACK and JANEK also appear to be similar sounding names???

[–] xxpo 8 years ago

(he may also want to provide information about the Phantom to Mr.K since it seems he overheard the Phantom's conversation with Janek, and maybe later the call Mr.K receives is another update (as dropkick23 has pointed out if I am not wrong)

So has he OVER HEARD the conversation or has he MORPHED into being JANEK or THE PHANTOM???

And if so, then WHICH one of them has JACK MORPHED into???

JANEK or the PHANTOM???

Because we also see JANEK take LUCAS to the RABBIT ROOM in POLAND ...

where we see the 3 OLD RABBIT MEN MORPH back into being RABBITS AGAIN AFTER MIDNIGHT ...

and after they've given Lucas the GUN that DERN later shoots the PHANTOM with outside of ROOM 47.

So it would also seem JACK MORPHS into being JANEK???

Because JANEK would also want someone to protect him from THE PHANTOM when he approaches the RABBIT ROOM or ROOM 47 where he's also still in his helpless RABBIT FORM???

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[–] xxpo 8 years ago

we also see JANEK take LUCAS to the RABBIT ROOM in POLAND ...

where we see the 3 OLD RABBIT MEN MORPH back into being RABBITS AGAIN AFTER MIDNIGHT ...

AND why does the RABBIT ROOM in POLAND also have 3 MALE RABBITS in it, whereas the REMAKE version of the story has 2 FEMALE and ONE MALE RABBITS???

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[–] dropkick23 11 years ago

Hmmm...

Maybe ya should consolidate these into a single thread or a blog. For the sake of everyone else?

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[–] xxpo 11 years ago

Thanks for the suggestion DK ...

but xxpo knows NOTHING about BLOGGING ...

or exactly how that works ...

and really has no TIME or INTEREST in doing such a thing.

Anyhow ...

An attempt was being made to try and CLEAN UP the BOARD and RID IT of all of the CLUTTER of DELETED messages ...

but each time that attempt was made ...

the person who deleted their topics also kept BUMPING back up their deleted topics again ...

thus making the effort in vain.

So ...

it was easier to just place the poster ON IGNORE ...

which NOT only CLEANED UP THE BOARD quite nicely with just ONE CLICK ...

but over on PAGE 2 it also BUMPED back up other MISSING TOPICS that one could no longer see listed anymore.

You should give it a try DK.

With MILLER on IGNORE the board definitely looks UNCLUTTERED ...

and so much better than it did ...

BEFORE placing him ON IGNORE.

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[–] xxpo 11 years ago

Hmmm...

Maybe ya should consolidate these into a single thread or a blog. For the sake of everyone else?

How am I doing dk???

Found this article about LYNCH that talks about HYPERLINKS and WEBS ...

so have been trying to CREATE one here with the THREADS in hopes the way they MIRROR, RELATE and REFLECT back upon each other might be helpful in some way???

A friend of mine also recently got the IE DVD so have also been trying to CONSOLIDATE my threads together for that reason.

Also had him watch LYNCH cooking QUINOA in the BONUS SECTION and he was also AMUSED at the way LYNCH was wearing a SUIT to COOK and DO THE DISHES.

So was LYNCH also sending us a HINT of his being like PIOTREK or JACK RABBIT while wearing his SUIT???

CAN hardly wait for this friend to see the rest of IE and what else he will NOTICE that we've OVERLOOKED and missed when we went over it with our fine tooth combs.

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[–] silver808 11 years ago

That suited while cooking
Equals co pirates controlling artistic endeavours

Co pirates who know nothing. Of nor care for art

They are money men in suits and have no business trying to create or control the ingredients of the meal of cinematic art.the cor pirates run the inland empire which is Americas own empire within itself i.e Hollywood the moire within as opposed to outside America
It conquers the world from its own inland empire it doesn't need to spread out it just is an inland empire.

[–] nikkiweir 11 years ago

On the rather well-known sartorial style of Mr. David Lynch:

http://www.esquire.com/the-side/style-guides/david-lynch-style-043010

http://emmettstyle.blogspot.com/2013/03/style-hero-david-lynch.html

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ookvtbl

Et cetera.

I seem to have known this style in another life ...

Note the variations on characters in the movies and shows: buttoned shirt whether white or otherwise, dark suit-style jacket, narrow tie of plain or muted pattern, if any.

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"The bonsai: the ultimate miniature." —Will Hayward, Twin Peaks.

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[–] xxpo 11 years ago

The BLACK COAT he's wearing doesn't really seem like it fits the description of his wearing a SUIT does it???

It's more like a JACKET that one might find a PROFESSOR WEARING as he sits in a CHAIR reading a BOOK ...

and at the ELBOWS of the COAT or the JACKET he wears one might also find those TRADEMARK PATCHES due to the wear and tear one would get in that Elbow area as they sit there reading the book in the chair???

So therefore LYNCH wearing his BLACK COAT (without the TIE or a BOW TIE) while he COOKS, also doesn't really look inappropriate, or as if he were wearing a SUIT with a TIE or a TUXEDO or something else like that which wouldn't have been an appropriate thing to wear (at least not without his also wearing an APRON to protect it) ???

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[–] xxpo 11 years ago

Bumping up as a way to ask where this WOMAN from MTTH ...

the one who is NOT in TROUBLE ...

because she also seems to have ENJOYED her experience ...

with the BIG BAD WOLF character in the HOTEL ROOM ...

would fit into the idea or with the suggestion that the AXXON N STORY represents events that take place in the BOOK of the DEAD.

And what about JACK RABBIT who we also see sit down at the desk of MR. K???

Would JACK be LIBERATED or REINCARNATED at the end of the FOLK TALE???

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[–] xxpo 11 years ago

i might just say you got me on this one cause the answers i'm providing are not clearly linked into The Tibetan Book of the Dead

Since we've already got another TWIN COPY of DERN who keeps making that CLOWN FACE GRIN at her ...

like the time when we see her WALKING on the little PATHWAY up to the camera ...

and we may also think she's making that face at us ...

until we see how the other DERN she looks at is startled ...

the same way as she looks startled when she sees the other TWIN COPY of herself making the CLOWN GRIN at her from across the street on the Walk of Fame ...

Anyhow, since we've already got this other TWIN COPY of DERN it just MAKES NO SENSE that any other characters were BE PROJECTIONS of DERN'S PSYCHE.

Thus NASTASSJA would most likely be THE SISTER who is married to KIDDO ...

because Nastassja also says she's married when BILLY picks her up in the BAR ...

but she also didn't care about that.

So NASTASSJA would probably be JANE RABBIT (DERN'S SISTER) who's married to JACK RABBIT (KIDDO) ...

because we also see JACK & JANE sitting there on the COUCH WATCHING STUPID SIT COMS on TV precisely like DERN describes the situation to MR. K.

And don't we also see JANE in the ROBE that Dern ...

(who also plays the part of SUSY RABBIT in MTTH when she holds up the CANDELS in SMITHY'S HOUSE like SUSY does in the RABBIT ROOM) ..

says her sister puts on after she gets home???

And in MTTH, don't we also see SMITHY (or whoever he is) coming home and ASKING if there have been any CALLS (the same way as JACK RABBIT does)???

So NASTASSJA goes to a BAR, meets BILLY (DEVON), screws him, and thinks he's taken her to the OLD HOTEL, when he's most likely taken her to the FAKE TWIN COPY of it that they've built on the MOVIE SET ... (same way as they built a FAKE TWIN COPY of SMITHY'S HOUSE there and a FAKE TWIN COPY of the WALK of FAME).

And the reason why BILLY/DEVON does this is so the SPIES of MARILYN won't see him checking into a REAL HOTEL and report it to the rest of the WORLD.

ANYWAY, with NASTASSJA being the SISTER married to KIDDO, that gives DERN still another reason to MURDER HIM, because she'd also be PISSED at her sister for sleeping with the BIG BAD WOLF that she's INFACTUATED with (in addition to being pissed about her ice cream melting on the shelf in the FRIDGE).

And since we've already got the other TWIN COPY of DERN making the CLOWN FACE, unless this is a story about a WOMAN with DID (formerly known as MPD or MULTIPLE PERSONALITY DISORDER) there's NO REASON I can see that LYNCH would create NASTASSJA as still another COPY of DERN who also sits there and TALKS to HERSELF.

Because that's also basically what YOU are saying she does.

There would also be NO REASON for her to SIT NEXT to DERN at the WRAP UP or CAST PARTY at the end of IE either.

Why not sit the other COPY of NIKI there beside the one in the PALE BLUE - BLUE VELVET STYLE dress instead of sitting what you see as a CHARACTER from DERN'S PYSCHE there next to her???

Anyhow, IMO, NASTASSJA is definitely NOT a PROJECTION that comes from the PSYCHE of DERN'S MIND.

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[–] xxpo 11 years ago

When and WHERE is Devon SWALLOWED UP by the white light???

He was probably also at his MANSION in the HAVE a DRINK Scene when we see the FIRELIGHT BURNING in his EYES before KINGSLEY CALLS OUT CUT.

The GARDEN SCENE was probably also suppose to take place at his MANSION.

And that's also the SCENE DERN remembers ... right before she meets LANI and LORI ... and the other VICTIMS of the PREDATORY WOLF ...who take her through the MAGIC WINDOW to POLAND.

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[–] xxpo 11 years ago

Nikki is screaming "Devon!!! Devon!!!"

This is the reason why I call SPEAR a LOST BOY and tell him he needs to STICK with the SCRIPT if he wants to UNDERSTAND what's going on ...

In other words, now you've also become a LOST BOY as well Miller ...

And Here's THE REASON WHY:

562
01:02:04,834 --> 01:02:06,920
Look in the other room...

563
01:02:08,275 --> 01:02:09,630
What the hell is that?

564
01:02:09,734 --> 01:02:10,151
Freddy!

565
01:02:10,673 --> 01:02:12,654
No, somebody's over there.

566
01:02:17,763 --> 01:02:20,892
The stage is supposed to be ours and ours alone.

567
01:02:25,793 --> 01:02:27,252
I'll go look

568
01:02:30,485 --> 01:02:32,570
- I'm sorry
- lt's ok..

569
01:03:33,883 --> 01:03:35,551
Billy!

570
01:03:39,826 --> 01:03:40,660
Billy!

571
01:03:41,911 --> 01:03:43,163
Billy!

572
01:04:17,885 --> 01:04:19,241
Billy!

573
01:04:23,829 --> 01:04:25,706
Billy!

574
01:04:29,355 --> 01:04:30,919
Billy!

575
01:04:35,612 --> 01:04:37,072
Billy!

576
01:09:27,782 --> 01:09:29,555
Who the hell are you?

577
01:09:33,726 --> 01:09:35,291
Hey!

578
01:09:35,707 --> 01:09:39,252
Look at us and tell us
if you've known us before.

579
01:09:41,651 --> 01:09:43,007
There was a man...

580
01:09:43,841 --> 01:09:45,091
... I once knew

581
01:09:50,097 --> 01:09:54,059
Was it like this.. look around.

582
01:09:56,457 --> 01:10:00,837
Did he do that thing... you know
that little shaking thing?

583
01:10:01,359 --> 01:10:04,695
While he was...

584
01:10:03,235 --> 01:10:06,885
You know...

SEE WHAT I MEAN???

THIS isn't NIKI yelling for DEVON.

IT's SUE BLUE yelling for BILLY.

Which one again offers PROOF that this is ALL a part of the MOVIE SCRIPT that we see them REHEARING for (SCENE 35) inside of STAGE 4.

And the best way to understand what's happening is to realize Dern plays 2 parts in Kingsley's film:

The part of NIKI

The part of SUE BLUE

NIKI/SUE

Just like NAOMI also plays the 2 different parts of BETTY/DIANE in MD.

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[–] xxpo 11 years ago

pAGE 26

in Lynch SPACE ...

one person can be in 2 places AT THE SAME TIME ...

DOORWAYS may lead to MANY WORLDS ...

Now that we've clarified how we're dealing with 2 CHARACTERS ...

AT THE SAME TIME ...

and not just ONE CHARACTER ...

do you also see how this fits back in with what the OTHER BOOK ...

called LYNCH SWERVES ...

is saying???

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[–] xxpo 11 years ago

The other problem is this is also related to the REHEARSAL for SCENE 35 where KINGSLEY says:

WE'LL BLOCK IT OUT AS BEST AS POSSIBLE

which means he wants his ACTORS to WALK to the PARTS of the STAGE (STAGE 4) where they SAY their LINES.

Then DEVON (not BILLY)] also walks to the BACK of the STAGE where SMITHY'S HOUSE is located.

So what this means is DEVON also already KNOWS that his CO STAR needs to be in 2 PLACES AT THE SAME TIME in this scene.

Because that's also what KINGSLEY means when he says:

WE'LL BLOCK it OUT as BEST AS POSSIBLE

he means all 4 of them are also AWARE that DERN needs to be IN 2 PLACES AT THE SAME TIME ...

and that they'll also need to use the MOVIE MAGIC to accomplish this part of the ON HIGH SCRIPT.

THUS the reason why the ACTRESS reading the SCRIPT also PLAYS 2 PARTS:

1. NIKI

2. SUE

or NIKI/SUE

And just like LYNCH SWERVES says ...

she also MORPHS into being NIKI/SUE ...

after she enters the AXXON N DOORWAY in back of STAGE 4 ...

that TAKES her into this OTHER 1960 DIFFERENT TIME FRAME or into the WORLD where SMITHY LIVES.

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[–] xxpo 11 years ago

Look at this other scene ...

THE BLUE BEDROOM SCENE ...

that comes right before the 2nd time we hear the LINE that says:

LOOK IN THE OTHER ROOM

and FREDDY says:

THERE'S SOMEONE THERE

and it turns out to be SUE BLUE ...

who YELLS BILLY out the window 7 TIMES ...

once she RUNS AWAY from DEVON and enters SMITHY'S HOUSE.

So how can this be SUE BLUE WHO places GROCERIES into DEVON'S CAR???

NOTE the way SUE BLUE comes from the 60'S WORLD where they don't drive car's from the 90's or the year 2000.

Yet she's also placing a GROCERY BAG into a NEW MODEL CAR???

And we also know NIKI isn't the one who ENTERS the AXXON N DOOR behind STAGE 4.

RIGHT?

Because she's also still sitting there REHEARSING for SCENE 35.

So this has to be SUE BLUE who RUNS AWAY from DEVON and who also YELLS for BILLY.

YET she also describes what SUE BLUE does in the BACK ALLEY ...

when sees the WRITING on the METAL DOOR ...

before she says:

IT'S ME NIKI.

But in this BLUE SEX scene DEVON also thinks he's BILLY (not DEVON).

528
00:57:50,514 --> 00:57:51,557
Remember...

529
00:57:52,182 --> 00:57:53,955
Rembember that thing

530
00:57:54,059 --> 00:57:58,751
When I said that thing
about me...

531
00:57:59,168 --> 00:58:00,837
Remember that?

532
00:58:00,941 --> 00:58:03,131
Yeah...

533
00:58:08,553 --> 00:58:11,473
Remember I told you, about this thing
this thing that happened.

534
00:58:15,747 --> 00:58:18,667
It's a story that
happened yesterday.

535
00:58:18,980 --> 00:58:21,586
But l know that it's tomorrow.

536
00:58:22,212 --> 00:58:23,776
That doesn't make sense

537
00:58:23,985 --> 00:58:24,923
It was that scene...

538
00:58:25,445 --> 00:58:27,009
... that we did yesterday.

539
00:58:27,218 --> 00:58:30,032
When I'm getting groceries for you
with your car

540
00:58:30,137 --> 00:58:33,578
And I was in that alley, and I parked the
car, there's always parking there.

541
00:58:33,682 --> 00:58:35,664
... So there I am...

542
00:58:35,664 --> 00:58:39,313
What?
Sue, damn!

543
00:58:42,754 --> 00:58:44,735
It's a scene we did yesterday.

544
00:58:44,944 --> 00:58:46,717
You weren't in it.

545
00:58:46,925 --> 00:58:52,243
That one where I'm in the alley, I'm going to get
groceries for you with your car.

546
00:58:52,556 --> 00:58:54,954
And I parked there 'cause there's always
parking.

547
00:58:55,371 --> 00:58:57,143
You know the one?

548
00:58:57,248 --> 00:59:00,168
I see this writing on metal.

549
00:59:00,169 --> 00:59:04,549
And l started remembering something...
I'm remembering...

550
00:59:04,651 --> 00:59:08,822
This whole thing starts floodin' in...
this whole memory.

551
00:59:10,804 --> 00:59:14,974
I start to remember...
And I... I don't know...

552
00:59:15,182 --> 00:59:18,832
I do not know what it is...

553
00:59:18,937 --> 00:59:24,150
It's me, Devon, it's me...
Nikki...

554
00:59:25,088 --> 00:59:26,444
That doesn't make any sense

555
00:59:28,321 --> 00:59:29,573
What is this?

556
00:59:31,657 --> 00:59:35,724
It's me, Devon, it's me...
Nikki...

557
00:59:36,246 --> 00:59:39,374
Look at me, you *beep*

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[–] xxpo 11 years ago

in this BLUE SEX scene DEVON also thinks he's BILLY (not DEVON).

So IF DEVON/BILLY is INSIDE of SMITHY'S HOUSE ...

that also means he didn't DISAPPEAR in the WHITE LIGHT like you say he did.

RIGHT ???

And You've also FORGOTTEN SOMETHING else ...

THERE'S SOMEONE ELSE THERE ...

as FREDDY also SAYS ...

when he SEES the other TWIN COPY of DERN at the back of STAGE 4 during the REHEARSAL for SCENE 35.

We also here the same line repeated in the RABBIT ROOM in POLAND ...

where LOST GIRL sits at the SAME KIND of a LONG TABLE as DERN sits at inside of STAGE 4 ...

the LONG TABLE where BOTH LOST GIRL and DERN DISAPPEAR from ...

and we also hear the RABBITS saying the SAME LINE as well ...

So ...

the QUESTION is do DERN and/or JUSTIN SEE HIM there ...

there inside of THE BEDROOM???

Because IF either one of them SEES him there ...

then that could also help to explain the reason why they would say what they say in this scene ...

where they might also say what they say as a way to try to make him think they are REHEARSING for this scene ...

rather than the scene ACTUTALLY being one where they're REALLY having SEX with each other???

Of course there's also the other question as to WHY SMITHY ...

(or whoever he's suppose to be ...

since he says he's NOT WHO SHE THINKS HE IS when he BEATS HER)...

would let the 2 of them HAVE SEX without doing something to STOP them ...

or at least saying something to them.

And here's still another QUESTION for you ...

DO these GODS or DEMONS in the BARDO STATE also ACTUALLY BEAT YOU when you are there ...

and they THREATEN to do this to you ...

like the BOOK of the DEAD also says they will threatened to do ???

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[–] xxpo 11 years ago

Saying the Bardo Gods are UNFRIENDLY doesn't answer the QUESTION you were asked ...

about whether you think the GODS would actually BEAT or ABUSE people the way we see LUCAS BRUTALLY BEATING DERN.

So whereas you ask for a CLEAR STRAIGHTFORWARD ANSWER ...

imo, you also DON'T PRACTICE what you PREACH ...

and are NOT as FORECOMING as you seem to think ...

due to the way you SKIRT around ISSUES ...

because you NEVER really GIVE a STRAIGHTFORWARD ANSWER to QUESTIONS you've been asked.

IOW, It's a bit like talking to a JESUS FREAK ... where each time one asks them a question ... one gets a series of PRE RECORDED BIBLE PASSAGES QUOTED back to them again ... but NO REAL ANSWERS to the QUESTIONS one asks them.

Anyhow, due to the number of times the 3 MAIN REVELATIONS have been posted here,

it should also be abundantly CLEAR by now that for xxpo EVERYTHING from BEGINNING to END in IE is a part of the FILM.

Same with MD. For me That entire story is also part of a FILM.

And like the NEW NEIGHBOR SPELLS out CLEARLY for us what IE is about (about the LITTLE BOY and GIRL GOING OUT TO PLAY) ...

DAN DOES the same thing when he tells us MD is about 2 DREAMS ...

both the SAME DREAM ...

but 2 VERSIONS ...

or another VARIATION of it ...

like IE also has 2 VERSIONS or a VARIATION of the GOING OUT to PLAY story.

So THE ANSWER to How is it that Nikki/Sue and Devon/Billy are shown having sex in the valley house bedroom BEFORE Nikki/Sue enters the valley house????

Is this:

there's AN OCEAN FULL of POSSIBLE ANSWERS.

One possible ANSWER is they're MAKING A MOVIE and are having SEX in the MOVIE SET where the movie is being made.

The question is are they FILMING this Scene as a part of KINGSLEY'S VERSION of the story ...

or are they screwing at a time when MOST of the REST of the CREW have gone home???

Since we see LUCAS placing something into the DRAWER ...

which also looks like he's placing THE GUN under the GREEN COAT ...

MY GUESS would also be this is a PART of the MOVIE SCRIPT ...

because later we also see the OTHER SCENE where THE 3 RABBIT MEN in the RABBIT ROOM in POLAND give LUCAS the GUN.

And that would probably also mean this BLUE BEDROOM SCENE is OUT of ORDER ...

or OUT of SYNC with TIME ...

which also doesn't FLOW right again until the END of IE ...

when we see the BLACK and WHITE clock on the WALL ...

that sits above the WAVY ZIG ZAGGY FLOOR PATTERN.???

So the BLUE BEDROOM SCENE is OUT of ORDER ...

the Same way as when IE begins and THE RABBITS say:

IT WON'T BE MUCH LONGER NOW ...

But then IT TAKES 3 HOURS before we get to the part at the END of IE ...

where we see WHAT COMES NEXT for them ...

which is when DERN WALKING BACKWARDS into the now empty RABBIT ROOM.

Niki/SUE is also describing how THINGS are OUT of ORDER TIME WISE to BILLY/DEVON in this BEDROOM scene ...

when she tells him that it is SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY but SHE KNOWS IT IS TOMORROW:

It's a story that
happened yesterday.

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But l know that it's tomorrow.

Like you were told before ...

UNLESS one STICKS with what happens IN THE SCRIPT ...

one also tends to END UP as a LOST BOY.

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THE ANSWER to How is it that Nikki/Sue and Devon/Billy are shown having sex in the valley house bedroom BEFORE Nikki/Sue enters the valley house????

Is this:

there's AN OCEAN FULL of POSSIBLE ANSWERS.

One possible ANSWER is they're MAKING A MOVIE and are having SEX in the MOVIE SET where the movie is being made.

Perhaps this may help you to UNDERSTAND THE FILM as a WHOLE.

We have 3 MAIN REVELATIONS in IE:

1. DERN'S

2. OUR'S

3. LOST GIRL'S

1. DERN'S REVELATION is she's been having SEX with the SAME GUY as all of the rest of the girls have been screwing. Because Why else do they all know about that little thing that he does?

2. OUR REVELATION comes after DERN'S DEATH SCENE ... where we discover WE'VE also been LOST like LOST GIRL ... by thinking we were really located on the WOF ... when we were REALLY INSIDE of THE FAKE TWIN COPY of the WOF ... which is located inside of STAGE 4.

3. LG's REVELATION is the same as DERN'S and OUR'S:

She realizes she's also been having SEX with the same BIG BAD WOLF as DERN

(and that he's also SEDUCED all of the rest of the other girls),

and that he's also taken her to the FAKE TWIN COPY of the HOTEL ROOM ...

THE FAKE COPY which is also located inside of the MOVIE LOT...

because THE WOLF also knows if he took LOST GIRL to a REAL HOTEL ROOM located OUTSIDE of the MOVIE LOT ...

then the SPIES of MARILYN LEVENS ...

the CELEBRITY SHOW HOST ...

would also CATCH him at his PREDATORY behavior ...

and REPORT it to the rest of the WORLD ...

which would also PREVENT the BIG BAD WOLF in this AXXON N TALE from being able to SEDUCE other PREY ...

Potential Victims who would then be able to see the reason WHY he's a PREDATORY WOLF who WEARS the CLOTHING of a SHEEP.

UNDERSTANDING ALL of this *INFORMATIVE* FAKE TWIN COPY STUFF is ALSO NECESSARY if one wants to UNDERSTAND THE FILM as a WHOLE.

Because we also have 3 MAIN REVELATIONS in IE:

1. DERN'S

2. OUR'S

3. LOST GIRL'S

REVELATIONS which also DEPEND upon our having a FIRM GRASP and UNDERSTANDING of the way in which these FAKE TWIN COPIES have been USED in the story as a way to MANIPULATE others in this AXXON N TALE.

1. DERN'S REVELATION is she's been having SEX with the SAME GUY as all of the rest of the girls have been screwing. Because Why else do they all know about that little thing that he does?

2. OUR REVELATION comes after DERN'S DEATH SCENE ... where we discover WE'VE also been LOST like LOST GIRL ... by thinking we were really located on the WOF ... when we were REALLY INSIDE of THE FAKE TWIN COPY of the WOF ... which is located inside of STAGE 4.

3. LG's REVELATION is the same as DERN'S and OUR'S:

She realizes she's also been having SEX with the same BIG BAD WOLF as DERN (and all of the other girls that he's SEDUCED), and that he's also taken her to the FAKE TWIN COPY of the HOTEL ROOM ... THE FAKE COPY which is also located inside of the MOVIE LOT... because THE WOLF also knows if he took LOST GIRL to a REAL HOTEL ROOM then the SPIES of MARILYN would also CATCH him at his PREDATORY behavior and REPORT it to the rest of the WORLD ... which would also PREVENT the BIG BAD WOLF in this AXXON N TALE from being able to SEDUCE other PREY who would then be able to see how he's a WOLF who WEARS the CLOTHING of a SHEEP.

AND NO BARDO is necessary as a way to UNDERSTAND this basic PREMISE.

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We don't KNOW that's PIOTREK.

We don't know WHO that is due to the way he tells DERN that

HE'S NOT WHO SHE THINKS HE IS

AS HE BEATS HER.

So WHO IS HE???

Is this SMITHY???

THE MUSTASH MAN???

It's not very likely PIOTREK from the 2005 WORLD would be looking for LOST GIRL who comes from another DIFFERENT ERA.

Is it???

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The problem with this INTERPRETATION is this:

LOST GIRL NEVER REACTS to seeing PIOTREK or SMITHY

(or whoever the guy in the flannel shirt is suppose to be).

It isn't until she SEES the MUSTASH MAN that she has a REACTION ...

which indicates it would probably be THIS MUSTASH GUY who she ends up with inside of the MOVIE SET ...

or inside of the FAKE TWIN COPY of SMITHY'S HOUSE at the end of IE.

And it would probably also be THE ACTOR who plays the part of the MUSTASH MAN who is looking for her.

And it would also be KINGSLEY who HIRES him to play the part of the MUSTASH MAN in the PART of his film where he also REMAKES parts of the GERMAN FILM to put into his film.

Because after the end of the GARDEN SCENE we also hear KINGSLEY saying they'll be LEAVING the FINE WEATHER of LA ...

I can't afford to, Billy.

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That was brilliant
We're moving on...

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Camera reload.

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- Good, good.
- 27 for lunch.

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- Did you feel good about it?
-Yeah, l felt great.
-Ok

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So we're going to leave this lovely weather?

meaning they'll next be filming some scenes in SNOWY POLAND where the WEATHER is COLD.

LYNCH also says IE is a movie ABOUT THE FILM INDUSTRY.

And He never says anything about it being a film about a BARDO.

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His brains were NOT BLOWN OUT.

He was KILLED with a HAMMER ...

Like the one we see the CARNIE GUYS fight over at the HOT DOG PARTY.

Look at the BRAIN MATTER and the 2 LITTLE HOLES that look like HAMMER MARKS.

A BULLET would BLOW the BRAINS OUT in back of the head.

A HAMMER would yank a couple of pieces like we see laying there back out again from the front.

But YES LUCAS should definitely have more roles.

And since LUCAS BEATS DERN ...

xxpo also DOESN'T BUY any of this GOD from A BARDO stuff.

THE BOOK of the DEAD also STATES there is NO HELL.

As for the FILM INDUSTRY ...

MD is a SATIRE of it ...

SPITTING out the COFFEE makes fun of the NEW BUYER/PRODUCER ...

IE is also a SATIRE as well ...

makes fun of KINGSLEY ...

his BIG EGO ...

one that he also knows he has ...

due to the way he LOVES MAKING SPEECHES ...

speeches that DEVON (the other EGOMANIAC interrupts) ...

ANYHOW ...

Unlike the case is with you ...

xxpo still sees NO SIGN that IE has anything to do with a BARDO.

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Here's a link with several SCREEN CAPS and a SCREEN CAP of the CORPSE:

http://italkyoubored.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/david-lynchs-inland-empi re-an-attempt-at-a-roadmap/

but unfortunately it's not the SAME ONE that we see on the DVD ...

where you can SEE the 2 HOLES in his head ...

and the 2 PIECES of flesh that sit over to the RIGHT hand side.

Hopefully someone else can also help us find that other one???

We've also had debates about this issue here before.

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On the DVD ...

go to 143:15 ...

and then PAUSE it at 143:27 ...

where you see 2 pieces of FLESH that lay over to the RIGHT HAND side of the SCREEN.

Then it moves over to his ARM to show you how the WATCH with the GREEN TINT to it's face ...

the one the PHANTOM sells to LOST GIRL ...

and DERN ends up with after V2 comes to visit her ...

is MISSING from the WRIST of the MUSTASH MAN ...

who tells the man who asked him WHAT TIME it was that it was 9:45.

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Still another issue is HOW would someone in PRE NAZI OCCUPIED or even an already OCCUPIED POLAND get hold of a hand gun???

And even IF they had one, how would they keep others on the street from HEARING the GUN SHOT???

So whereas that HOLE in his head looks like it might be a gun shot wound, it still makes more sense that the PHANTOM who has possession of his STOLEN WATCH would use a HAMMER instead of a GUN.

And still another issue is the AGE of the BEATEN WOMAN who tells MR. K she was 60 years old in 41.

Since the BOOK of the DEAD also says the BARDO process takes in 2 WEEKS, it also MAKES NO SENSE that DERN is someone born back in 41 (at a time when POLAND was also already OCCUPIED by NAZI'S).

So her AGE is still another reason why the BARDO theory MAKES NO SENSE.

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2. The Second Bardo

If the soul is still not liberated at this stage, it will descend into the second bardo, which is said to last for two weeks

According to this it Looks like you are wrong and that TIME does exist in the 2ND BARDO.

It also looks like the BARDO VERSIONS of HEAVEN and HELL are NOTHING like the CHRISTAIN version of them:

On the second day, there appears the second-highest God in the Buddhist pantheon - in fact, he is actually the Second Person in the literal Buddhist Holy Trinity. At the same time, there dawns a smoky light from hell;
and here we note that, just as the Buddhist heaven is not a permanent, eternal state, neither is its hell.

Even the most wretched souls will eventually work their way out of even the deepest pit of hell, just as even the highest and purest souls will eventually lose their footing in heaven and descend again into the cycle of death and rebirth. Liberation is the only way out.

Because once you are sent to HELL in the CHRISTIAN VERSION, you STAY THERE for ETERNITY with NO WAY OUT of there.

Likewise once in HEAVEN aren't you also suppose to STAY there in PARADISE FOREVER and not LEAVE again.

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All l see from this is blue tomorrows

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That was brilliant
We're moving on...

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Check the gate please.
Camera reload.

Throughout IE we see KINGSLEY DIRECTING his FILM.

LYNCH says IE is a film about the FILM INDUSTRY.

GODS in a BARDO have NO REASON to say CUT ...

CHECK THE GATE ...

CAMERA RELOAD ...

IF the characters are inside of a BARDO.

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Who is that you have as your AVATAR LP???

Thought you were going to get a PRETTY PALM TREE???

And why is the FLAG of SOUTH KOREA located there in back of her???

Is this suppose to be the ASIAN girl at the end of IE wearing a BLOND WIG???

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[–] xxpo 11 years ago

What kind of FLU do you have???

What are the symptoms???

Hope you're feeling better soon.

And that's definitely a BIG SURPRISE to discover this is REALLY YOU ...

because in addition to the cool looking PALM TREE HAIR ...

your photo also looks like it might be a copy of an animated character rather than a real person.

And the reason one gets that impression is because of that perfect body that's displayed.

What on earth do you do to keep in such GREAT SHAPE???

Now that one knows this is you by all means KEEP IT (the AVATAR PHOTO posted) LP.

You definitely deserve to show off that terrific body!!!

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All l see from this is blue tomorrows

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That was brilliant
We're moving on...

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Camera reload.

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When people TAKE topics OFF TOPIC ...

then one definitely NEEDS to REPEAT what's been said to GET BACK on TOPIC AGAIN:

When we see LOST GIRL standing there on the SNOWY STREET in POLAND with the other girls she says:

Look at me and tell me if you�ve known me before.

Which is also an ECHO of DEVON/BILLY telling SUE

he's NEVER KNOWN ANYONE LIKE HER BEFORE

which is also the PICK UP LINE HE'S USED ON SUE BLUE ...

DURING the REHEARSAL FOR SCENE 35 inside of STAGE 4.

AND

falling for the PICK UP LINE is also a reason why THIS is a WOMAN IN TROUBLE.

In contrast to the WOMAN in TROUBLE ...

who FALLS for the PICK UP line of the BIG BAD WOLF in the AXXON N TALE ...

we also have the other WOMAN who is NOT IN TROUBLE ...

because she DOES NOT FALL for his PICK UP LINE ...

even though she also FALLS under his SPELL and into BED with him:

SUE

Where you been?

THE LADY (NASTASSJA):

I had the most incredible experience. It all started at Al�s. I was sitting in the back, you know, where the bathrooms are. There was this guy�he turned around and looked at me and�I just lit up inside. You know. He asked me if I wanted a beer, and I said: I said, yeah, okay, thank you. And then I noticed he had a ring. He was married, but�I didn�t care.

And then, he said he was just passing through. And, uh, he asked me my name, and I told him.

He said his name was Billy.

(AKA: DEVON/BILLY the ACTOR in KINGSLEY'S FILM)

And, he said: nice to meet you. And I said, nice to meet you, Billy.

Pete was in the back, serving up a beer to Sandra.

And, uh, I don�t know, he suddenly, like, I met you before.

And I�m like, I�m not falling for that line.

But now I said, I think I�ve met you before.

And I thought I�d met him before, but I don�t even remember where.

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And then suddenly he said, like�

I wanted him so bad, and I felt he felt the same thing, you know?

And then he said:

I want you.

And I said: where do you want to go?

And he said he was staying at the hotel

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[–] xxpo 11 years ago

You forgot about THE WATCH.

You need to be wearing THE WATCH if you WANT TO SEE.

Shall we send a VISITOR over to see you???

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ON THE CONTRARY ...

those 3 MAIN REVELATIONS xxpo found have HELPED her to FIND HER WAY back out of the AXXON N MAZE ...

whereas the REST of you guys still remain LOST inside of it ...

due to the way you REFUSE to FOLLOW the MOVIE SCRIPT ...

and keep coming up with stuff like the OMT, or the RABBIT ROOM as WOMB theory, or HOUSE NUMBER theory, or the STAIRCASE THEORY, etc.

And each time one of you POSTS this kind of stuff where they can see how LOST you are ...

one also does one best to try and help you FIND your WAY back OUT of there again ...

but like LP said several years back ...

once the WIZZARD PINGS you from his COMPOUND ...

you also remain in DANGER of forever being under his SPELL ...

and you can also end up being like a bunch of SMASHED BUGS on a WINDSHIELD.

PING. PING. PING.

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kmkmiller » 19 minutes ago (Sun Aug 25 2013 12:53:18)

really. do you have throw up in your hair?

This is being added to a collection of the kind of RUDE SNIDE REMARKS you keep making ...

before you DELETE them ...

and then PRETEND as if you've NEVER said them.

So each time you make one and DELETE it ...

then we'll also STILL HAVE PROOF of what you've said to us.

Anyhow ...

with you still BEING HERE ...

LP is RIGHT ...

about the way you've been PINGED by the WIZZARD in the HOLLYWOOD HILLS ...

who still has you UNDER his SPELL.

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[–] xxpo 11 years ago

xxpo NEVER SAID any such thing, and it's also PITIFUL the way you now THINK YOU have to MAKE UP STUFF and LIE about something that was NEVER SAID.

What the hell happened to you MILLER???

WHO the HELL ABUSED you in the PAST that you now feel the NEED to SEEK OUT and BULLY and ABUSE others here the same way as YOU must have been ABUSED???

Whatever the case may be ...

since xxpo is HERE to DISCUSS this FILM ...

and NOT YOU or these LIES you tell ...

and because one is also BORED with you and your IMMATURE ATTITUDE ...

PLEASE Also NOTE how YOU'RE being placed BACK ONTO IGNORE status again.

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Anyone else have any thoughts to share regarding the WOMAN who is NOT in trouble in this AXXON N TALE???