NOTES on INLAND EMPIRE


Here's what LYNCH SAYS in an interview:


http://collider.com/collider-interviews-david-lynch-and-laura-dern-inland-empire/

http://www.moviesonline.ca/movienews_10704.html




David, could you talk about how this film relates to some of your other work, because there seem to be like similarities with Mulholland Drive and we actually saw some clips of Rabbits [the surreal rabbit-people sitcom Lynch filmed at his house] in this film. So is this film an extension, or how would you view it?

David: It’s different, but similarities because it deals as Mulholland Drive did with the movie, you know, industry,


Here LYNCH clearly explains how both IE and MD are STORIES that DEAL WITH THE MOVIE INDUSTRY.


In this other interview he also CLEARLY explains how viewers who see his films as being DREAMS are MISTAKEN to do so:


http://parallax-view.org/2011/11/08/interview-david-lynch-on-inland-empire-i-the-idea




Do you think viewers are right in seeing your films as dreams on the screen?

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LYNCH:

No


So when one takes into consideration the fact that IE is a story that deals with the FILM INDUSTRY ...

and LYNCH says it isn't RIGHT to interpret the story as being some kind of a DREAM STATE ...

where one assumes this part is REAL or this part is NOT REAL ...

then, imo, this is what MAKES the MOST SENSE:



http://chainedtothecinematheque.blogspot.com/2007/01/notes-on-inland-empire-part-3.html

Notes on INLAND EMPIRE, Part 3

The structural complexities are immense

IE ... doubles back on itself recursively


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursion

as when Susan interrupts Nikki’s rehearsal, an interruption that happens both early and late in the chronology of IE.

and when Laura Dern’s character (Susan? Nikki? Laura?) meets the girl who’s been watching her on the television

The danger of an actor’s performance

and the process of role-playing are a narrative engine as well as a theme.

... a physical manifestation of Susan, a reality that later takes over Nikki so completely that she is no longer Nikki




... blurred lines between Past, Present, and Future. Huge sections of the film exist as flashbacks or flashforwards,

and much of the narrative confusion experienced by viewers is due to an inadequate presence of clue-giving on Lynch’s part as to when we are jumping and in which direction[b]

one ... (is) more engaged in the process ...

Lynch pushes the boundaries of even his intense audience and creates a new kind of viewership




So the story becomes a TALE about the DANGER of an ACTOR giving a PERFORMANCE ...

one where her ROLE PLAYING becomes THE THEME ...

and she becomes a PHYSICAL MANIFESTATION of the SUE BLUE character that she portrays ...

to the POINT where NIKI COMPLETELY DISAPPEARS ...

which is also why the GHOST of LOVE ...

or the WOMAN in the WHITE shorts from POLAND ...

chases her and STABS her with the SCREW DRIVER on the WALK of FAME.

Since the other HOOKERS also can't see the WOMAN in the WHITE SHORTS,

this would most likely also be where the IMAGINATION of the ACTRESS comes into play???

And even though the SCENE where she's STABBED is suppose to be REAL ...

what DERN probably sees is IMAGINARY ...

like BETTY/DIANE seeing the IMAGINARY image of RITA inside of her place when she's NOT REALLY THERE.

So just like NIKI DISAPPAREARS in IE and becomes SUE ...

due to the DANGER of her ROLE PLAYING ...

Perhaps BETTY also DISAPPEARS in MD and becomes DIANE for the same reason???

Because BETTY also fell VICTIM to the DANGER of her ROLE PLAYING as well???

And when AUNT RUTH comes back from Canada and finds NO ONE there at her place, perhaps that's also because her niece has MORPHED into being DIANE, or into one of the characters that she portrayed in one of the MOVIE ROLES???

Like NIKI also MORPHS into becoming SUE BLUE after she portrays her role???

<b>So like this other person who wrote NOTES ...

and LYNCH himself says:

BOTH IE and MD are films about (the DANGERS of ROLE PLAYING in) the FILM INDUSTRY???




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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mise_en_abyme

the phrase has several other meanings in the realm of the creative arts and literary theory. In Western art history, &quot;mise en abyme&quot; is a formal technique in which an image contains a smaller copy of itself, in a sequence appearing to recur infinitely.

The film-within-a-film is an example of mise-en-abîme. The film being made within the film refers, through its mise-en-scène, to the real film being made. [b]The spectator sees film equipment, stars getting ready for the take, crew sorting out the various directorial needs.</b> The narrative of the film within the film may directly reflect the one in the real film.[4]

In literary criticism, &quot;mise en abyme&quot; is a type of frame story, in which the core narrative may be used to illuminate some aspect of the framing story.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Story_within_a_story

The literary device of stories within a story dates back to a device known as a frame story, when the outer story does not have much matter, and most of the bulk of the work consists of one or more complete stories told by one or more storytellers


In Chaucer's The Canterbury Tales, for example,

The WIFE of BATH tells a tale about her 5 husbands ... and then another one about a KNIGHT who has to find out the secret of what WOMEN WANT MOST ... in order to SAVE his life.

Or in HAMLET we also have ACTORS hired by HAMLET to give a PLAY (within the play) that MIRRORS what HAMLET suspects his UNCLE did when he MURDERED his father.

In the CLUB of SILENCE xxpo also suspects this is what happens. The scene ON STAGE where the DEAD WOMAN SINGS most likely also MIRRORS the other scene where ADAM PLAYS the AUDITION TAPE where another already DEAD WOMAN sings the EVERY LITTLE STAR song.

And the reason why she's DEAD is probably also because BETTY kills her when she finds the address where she lives inside of Rita's purse while Rita's still in the shower. Because Betty's in love with RITA and wants to get rid of the competition.

So in the scene where we hear ADAM SAY:

THIS IS THE GIRL


BETTY probably also RUNS AWAY because she thinks they KNOW she's the KILLER.

And the scene in the CLUB of SILENCE where we see BETTY SHAKING in her SEAT also seems to CONFIRM this.

So just like the case where we have A PLAY within a PLAY in HAMLET ...

We also have a PLAY within a PLAY in MD ...

where the DEAD GIRL who sings on STAGE MIRRORS the other DEAD GIRL who SINGS on the PRE RECORDED TAPE.








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NOTES is also an interview that was posted to another topic. And here's what XAV says over on that topic:


Club Silencio is a premonition of the end of Diane's dream, as is the rehearsal scene a premonition of the end of the blonde's daydream. Diane wakes up in a bedroom in apartment #16 of SB's. The blonde fully awakens as she finds herself sitting with her back against the wall in house 1358.

The script is an illusion, the rehearsal scene is an illusion. Didn't Betty also do a rehearsal (reading word by word and acting it out later on) exactly two times, in two different 'settings'? "Thank you, darling."


So whereas XAV sees the ON HIGH MOVIE SCRIPT as an ILLUSION ...

xxpo sees it as a MAIN PART of the story ...

as part of the MAIN FRAME ...

that surrounds these other STORIES that take place in POLAND.

And whereas Xav sees the CLUB of SILENCE as a premonition of the END of a DREAM ...

xxpo also sees RITA's DREAM about the CLUB of SILENCE as being a SIGN that her MEMORY has come back to her again ...

which is also the reason why she takes Betty to the CLUB ...

which may also be a place RITA worked prior to her ACCIDENT on MD.

And whereas Xav sees Diane WAKING UP in APT 16 and DERN WAKING as she sits in the RAIN at SMITHY'S HOUSE ...

what xxpo sees is DERN sitting there because this is the SCENE where she's just KILLED KIDDO ... and set his HEAD and his PENIS on the SHELF in the FRIDGE ...

the shelf KIDDO assigned to her ...

where her ice cream keeps melting.

So whereas XAV thinks DERN AWAKENS ...

xxpo also thinks DERN's already been AWAKE for quite some time in this scene where she sits there in the RAIN.

Perhaps she's also thinking about what to say in the NOTE that she plans to leave in the FRIDGE for her sister ...

next to KIDDO'S HEAD and his penis ...

explaining what's happened???

What does someone say in such a situtation as that???

Dear Sis,

When your BOY TOY tried to RAPE me I warned him to leave me alone and told him exactly what would happen if he didn't stop pestering me.

It felt like I was 15 again ... and was being attacked by that other rapist all over again ... the one who got his EYE YANKED out.

Sorry about the mess. Thanks again for taking me in and for letting me stay with you. I also hope someday you can forgive me for what I've done.










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Club Silencio is a premonition of the end of Diane's dream, as is the rehearsal scene a premonition of the end of the blonde's daydream.


Since LYNCH tells us DREAMS are NOT a part of his story, if there is a PREMONITION in the story it would most likely be LOUISE who comes to the DOOR and seems like a LOST WOMAN or a woman who has lost her mind for some reason.

So maybe LOUISE is also a former ACTRESS who got STUCK in CHARACTER like Niki does when she takes the part of SUE BLUE???

And if BETTY also lost her mind and gets STUCK in character as DIANE, then LOUISE would also be the PREMONITION that hints at the way in which BETTY is heading in the same direction that LOUISE has already gone???






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SO WHAT about this IDEA that BETTY was BEING BETTY at the AUDITION in MD???

You didn't say ANYTHING about this at all!!!

All you mentioned is KIDDO.

So here's an ANSWER FOR YOU regarding that matter:


A girl who was ATTACKED by a guy who wants to RAPE her and then YANKS out his EYE to stop him from doing that might be someone who would do this to KIDDO.

As you may recall, her mother is also a DRUG addict ...

which is how she gets her HAND CUT OFF in the MACHINE at work where she makes those little plastic corn cob holders so you don't BURN your fingers holding the HOT CORN COB.

So this mother who does SPEED to stay awake gets her HAND YANKED OFF ...

and DERN YANKS out the EYE of some other guy ...

maybe one of her mother's BOY TOYS???

Because DERN also talks about the picture of the HAIRY ARM ...

which she thought might be the arm of her father ...

anyhow, doesn't sound like DERN'S had a very easy life ...

so when KIDDO comes into her bedroom on the BACK PORCH where she sleeps with all the SPIDERS ...

BLACK WIDOWS who also KILL their MATES ...

AND BITE OFF THEIR HEADS after they mate with them ...

this might also explain the reason why DERN would leave KIDDO'S HEAD on that SHELF in the FRIDGE.

Because her sister didn't care what she ate ...

and it was KIDDO who didn't WORK ...

who was WORRIED about DERN eating some of HIS FOOD ...

that her SISTER bought.

AND that's the reason why he assigns her that shelf in the FRIDGE where her ICE CREAM KEPT MELTING.

So the LAW of KARMA ...

or whatever one wants to call it ...

would probably also come into play ...

when the MELTING ICE CREAM on the SHELF in the FRIDGE gets exchanged for the HEAD of KIDDO???

Somehow ... for some reason ... it just seems APPROPRIATE that his HEAD (both the BIGGER and smaller one) would end up there.

Because BOTH of them were also TRYING to TORMENT the poor girl???

So WHY NOT also have them END UP THERE in a place that was SET UP as a way to TORMENT HER??? '

Seems LOGICAL enough to me.







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REPOSTING THIS AGAIN in HOPES that LP will see it this TIME if they MISSED it the LAST TIME they stopped by and were HERE:



So the story becomes a TALE about the DANGER of an ACTOR giving a PERFORMANCE ...

one where her ROLE PLAYING becomes THE THEME ...

and she becomes a PHYSICAL MANIFESTATION of the SUE BLUE character that she portrays ...

to the POINT where NIKI COMPLETELY DISAPPEARS ...

which is also why the GHOST of LOVE appears ...

like BETTY/DIANE seeing the IMAGINARY image of RITA inside of her place when she's NOT REALLY THERE.

So just like NIKI DISAPPAREARS in IE and becomes SUE ...

due to the DANGER of her ROLE PLAYING ...

Perhaps BETTY also DISAPPEARS in MD and becomes DIANE for the same reason???

Because BETTY also fell VICTIM to the DANGER of her ROLE PLAYING as well???

And when AUNT RUTH comes back from Canada and finds NO ONE there at her place, perhaps that's also because her niece has MORPHED into being DIANE, or into one of the characters that she portrayed in one of the MOVIE ROLES???

Like NIKI also MORPHS into becoming SUE BLUE after she portrays her role???



Didn't Betty also do a rehearsal (reading word by word and acting it out later on) exactly two times, in two different 'settings'?




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mise_en_abyme

The film-within-a-film is an example of mise-en-abîme. The film being made within the film refers, through its mise-en-scène, to the real film being made.

[b]The spectator sees film equipment, stars getting ready for the take, crew sorting out the various directorial needs


PLEASE also NOTE the way we see FILM EQUIPMENT, STARS getting ready for the TAKE, CREW SORTING OUT the VARIOUS DIRECTORIAL NEEDS, ETC. in BOTH IE and ME.

SO ... YES ... we see BETTY doing a REHEARSAL scene with RITA inside of AUNT RUTH'S PLACE ...

but NO the other SCENE is NOT another REHEARSAL scene ...

because it's an AUDITION that BETTY'S AUNT sets up for her with one of the guys she knows in the FILM INDUSTRY ...

But this AUDITION also appears to be still another wonderful demonstration of the way in which an ACTOR is IN DANGER[ when they PLAY a PART ...

a PART that MAY also MIRROR their OWN LIFE in some way ...

(like the case is with Niki Grae in IE who plays the part of a character who cheats on her hubby the way Niki supposedly also cheats on PIOTREK).

But the QUESTION we need to ask ourselves is was BETTY REALLY as GOOFY and as INNOCENT as she ACTS with the OLD COUPLE at the airport and with RITA when she first meets her, or was she merely PLAY ACTING the role of being an INNOCENT with them???

Because MAYBE beneath that INNOCENT ACT that BETTY displays lies a KILLER who MURDERS RITA's other lover ...

(the girl who sings EVERY LITTLE STAR at the AUDITION on a PRE RECORDED TAPE)

after Betty finds RITA's WALLET and ADDRESS in Rita's purse (along with the rest of the MONEY) ...

while RITA was still in the SHOWER.

So ....

in the AUDITION SCENE ...

perhaps the IRONY may be this was ACTUALLY the REAL BETTY we see ...

someone who is NOT ACTING ...

but is SIMPLY BEING HERSELF in that Scene???

Doesn't this also sound precisely like the kind of MIND FU*CK'S that LYNCH likes to LAY on us???







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So the story becomes a TALE about the DANGER of an ACTOR giving a PERFORMANCE ...

one where her ROLE PLAYING becomes THE THEME ...

and she becomes a PHYSICAL MANIFESTATION of the SUE BLUE character that she portrays ...

to the POINT where NIKI COMPLETELY DISAPPEARS ...

which is also why the GHOST of LOVE appears ...

like BETTY/DIANE seeing the IMAGINARY image of RITA inside of her place when she's NOT REALLY THERE.

So just like NIKI DISAPPAREARS in IE and becomes SUE ...

due to the DANGER of her ROLE PLAYING ...

Perhaps BETTY also DISAPPEARS in MD and becomes DIANE for the same reason???

Because BETTY also fell VICTIM to the DANGER of her ROLE PLAYING as well???

And when AUNT RUTH comes back from Canada and finds NO ONE there at her place, perhaps that's also because her niece has MORPHED into being DIANE, or into one of the characters that she portrayed in one of the MOVIE ROLES???

Like NIKI also MORPHS into becoming SUE BLUE after she portrays her role???



Didn't Betty also do a rehearsal (reading word by word and acting it out later on) exactly two times, in two different 'settings'?




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mise_en_abyme

The film-within-a-film is an example of mise-en-abîme. The film being made within the film refers, through its mise-en-scène, to the real film being made.

[b]The spectator sees film equipment, stars getting ready for the take, crew sorting out the various directorial needs


PLEASE also NOTE the way we see FILM EQUIPMENT, STARS getting ready for the TAKE, CREW SORTING OUT the VARIOUS DIRECTORIAL NEEDS, ETC. in BOTH IE and ME.

SO ... YES ... we see BETTY doing a REHEARSAL scene with RITA inside of AUNT RUTH'S PLACE ...

but NO the other SCENE is NOT another REHEARSAL scene ...

because it's an AUDITION that BETTY'S AUNT sets up for her with one of the guys she knows in the FILM INDUSTRY ...

But this AUDITION also appears to be still another wonderful demonstration of the way in which an ACTOR is IN DANGER[ when they PLAY a PART ...

a PART that MAY also MIRROR their OWN LIFE in some way ...

(like the case is with Niki Grae in IE who plays the part of a character who cheats on her hubby the way Niki supposedly also cheats on PIOTREK).

But the QUESTION we need to ask ourselves is was BETTY REALLY as GOOFY and as INNOCENT as she ACTS with the OLD COUPLE at the airport and with RITA when she first meets her, or was she merely PLAY ACTING the role of being an INNOCENT with them???

Because MAYBE beneath that INNOCENT ACT that BETTY displays lies a KILLER who MURDERS RITA's other lover ...

(the girl who sings EVERY LITTLE STAR at the AUDITION on a PRE RECORDED TAPE)

after Betty finds RITA's WALLET and ADDRESS in Rita's purse (along with the rest of the MONEY) ...

while RITA was still in the SHOWER.

So ....

in the AUDITION SCENE ...

perhaps the IRONY may be this was ACTUALLY the REAL BETTY we see ...

someone who is NOT ACTING ...

but is SIMPLY BEING HERSELF in that Scene???

Doesn't this also sound precisely like the kind of MIND FU*CK'S that LYNCH likes to LAY on us???







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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0460829/board/flat/208055817?p=1

http://listeningear.blogspot.com/2007/05/understanding-inland-empire.html


Thursday, May 17, 2007

Understanding Inland Empire


the characters ...
- they often seem unsure of which world they are in at any given moment.

Mulholland Drive and Lost Highway both received a good deal of attention on that question - critics made claims about what was real,

who was real, they tried to stabilize the ontological relationships between Diane and Betty or Fred and Pete.

It didn't really add anything to those films, and it would truly be a fool's errand with Inland Empire.

It probably can't be done, and spending time on it tends to obscure the formal systems actually at work in the film.

that this film is basically about Lynch's obsession with lamps isn't so far off.


it is possible to interpret Lynch's films - they are, usually, grounded in fairly clear emotional and moral positions



http://www.phawker.com/2007/02/09/review-inland-empire-directed-by-david-lynch-2006/

What Lynch does with Inland Empire is erase the border between dream state and reality, essentially by never establishing the real.

Everything is as real as it is unreal, and eventually you stop pondering the difference.



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I am surprised actors are insane before they start acting this kind of thing
How do they manage to put themselves through something like this while they are already so crazy?
It amazes me they can do that
Resilience? The will to live eat?
Are they pretending to be sane or do they believe they are?
Does he hypnotise them secretly?
No? Yes? No? Yes? No? Yes?

Just kidding
But it really makes you wonder
This is how this film affects me
I play along with it
That is why it is dangerous
It's art is powerful
So,..
Be careful ,like I said, be very very careful.

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Here's still another idea:

Maybe Betty isn't REALLY THERE anymore than RITA is there when Betty MORPHS into being DIANE and sees her in the KITCHEN and on the COUCH.

Because maybe Louise only IMAGINES Betty is there, so COCO also just goes along with this as a way to keep Louise happy about the IMAGINARY people that she thinks she sees in MD???

That might also help to explain the reason why BETTY and RITA disappear and reappear as other girls with different names???

Because when RUTH comes back again, then LOUISE can't PRETEND BETTY is there anymore with Rita???

If XAV thinks all the women we see in IE aren't REAL PEOPLE, why not also assume BETTY and RITA aren't REAL EITHER and are only THE INNER VOICES of LOUISE BONNER???






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If XAV thinks all the women we see in IE aren't REAL PEOPLE

No, that's not what I said.

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Did you or did you not say the other girls with DERN that we see inside of SMITHY'S HOUSE are suppose to be her INNER VOICES rather than REAL persons?

So ...

if you see the other girls as being the INNER VOICES of DERN in IE ...

then one could also say BETTY and RITA in MD might also be the INNER VOICES of LOUSIE BONNER.

Right???

And maybe COCO also pretends as if they are REAL people as a way to please LOUISE who also seems to be someone in her care???

Maybe Louise might also be the BRAIN DAMAGED OLDER VERSION of BETTY/DIANE who shoots herself in the head but still LIVES (which may also be the reason why she wears that HOOD on her head)???

Maybe COCO could also be an OLDER VERSION of RITA/CAMILLA??? The way COCO and RITA/C also wear the same RED and BLACK COLORS most of the time also seems to indicate that may be the case???

Pictures where you see how they wear the same COLOR costumes can be seen here:

http://www.mulholland-drive.net/pics/pics_costumes.htm


So the dinner scene we see at Adam's house may also be something LOUISE IMAGINES seeing, and when COCO pats her hand, that may also be the hand of LOUISE that we see Coco patting.

But maybe the BRAIN DAMAGED LOUISE may also still imagine herself as being the YOUNGER VERSION of herself in that scene and being at a CAST PARTY of one of her previous films???






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IN THE QUOTE BELOW ...

XAV quotes what xxpo said ...

and then he says he never said what xxpo said he did:



xxpo:

If XAV thinks all the women we see in IE aren't REAL PEOPLE

XAV:

No, that's not what I said.



And here's still another QUOTE from XAV ...

where it looks like what he said is precisely what xxpo said Xav said:

So, Devon, Kingsley, Nikki, sue, Billy, Doris, Freddie, Bucky J, servants, butlers, crew, the stage-front, Smithy in his green coat, Smithy's house, stage 4, etc, etc, are not real, are imaginary figures and imaginary situations made up by the blonde in house 1358. That's what I am saying


[/quote]

So ...

how else is one suppose to interpret it when a poster claims NOTHING we've seen is REAL and says MOST of the characters we follow in the story are IMAGINARY FIGURES???

Whatever the case may be ...

here's something else to consider.

After LANI and LORI take DERN from INSIDE of SMITHY'S HOUSE ...

through the WINDOW ...

and OUT onto the SNOWY STREET in POLAND ...

they also tell her it's JUST DOWN the WAY ...

and the DIEMBODIED LOST GIRL is also asking DO YOU WANT TO SEE.

So ...

what is the NEXT THING we see AFTER this question DERN is asked???

The NEXT THING We see DERN calling out BREAKFAST:



- You'll be dreaming...
- in a kind of of sleep...

When you open the eyes...

595
01:11:26,027 --> 01:11:29,989
someone familiar will be there.

596
01:12:15,765 --> 01:12:17,538
This is the street.

597
01:12:23,377 --> 01:12:26,088
Do you want to see?

598
01:12:37,350 --> 01:12:40,477
Just down the way.

599
01:16:02,453 --> 01:16:04,330
Breakfast


So instead of the SCENES in SMITHY'S HOUSE BEING REAL ...

it looks more like the OTHER GIRLS have placed DERN into some kinda TRANCE like STATE ...

where she's DREAMING in a KIND of SLEEP.

And while she's in this TRANCE like state ...

she is also seeing herself MAKING BREAKFAST for this SMITHY CHARACTER ...

or maybe she is seeing herself as if she's actually living the LIFE of SUE BLUE ...

and making breakfast for this guy.

But LOST GIRL is also the ONE who has ASKED DERN if she WANTS TO SEE.

RIGHT???

So like the case is with THE NEW NEIGHBOR using her MAGIC to show DERN what happens if she takes the ROLE or the PART in the FILM ...

LOST GIRL (or LANI and LORI) also seems to be using some kind of MAGIC as a way to SHOW DERN what life was like for SUE BLUE ...

(or maybe what life was like for LOST GIRL when she also played the part of SUE BLUE)???

But we also have NO REASON to assume DERN was or REALLY is married to this other guy who looks like her husband PIOTREK.

Do we???

Not when MAGIC or this TRANCE LIKE STATE is also being used to show DERN what life was like JUST DOWN the WAY???











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Logic. First of all I am not telling something shocking when I state that xxpo is not the brightest of posters on this board. Who does not remember the time that she could not comprehend how to make a simple url or how she did not manage to execute a few simple steps for shortening an url? Anyways, now she continuously tries to discredit my interpretation on false grounds. Sometimes she even attempts to ridicule them. Let's examine her latest and most and for all wrong conclusion by making her usual false extrapolations.


1. xxpo: If XAV thinks all the women we see in IE aren't REAL PEOPLE

2. XAV: So, Devon, Kingsley, Nikki, sue, Billy, Doris, Freddie, Bucky J, servants, butlers, crew, the stage-front, Smithy in his green coat, Smithy's house, stage 4, etc, etc, are not real, are imaginary figures and imaginary situations made up by the blonde in house 1358.

Did I write "all the women in IE aren't real"? No way, I specifically wrote about a schism during the notorious window scene resulting in a division of worlds. The blonde's imaginary world comes to an end at that scene, resulting in all those specific characters to be unreal. Does this set of characters include all the characters in IE? Of course not. There are many many characters outside the boundaries of the romantic fantasy daydream called On High In Blue Tomorrows. To name a few: Visitor #2, Lost Girl, Crimp, and not to forget the prostitute wearing a pink dress which is torn at the side, and last but not least there is the face of the murdered Polish courtesan. How they relate to the blonde's reality is a completely different story, way above xxpo's head. So I think it won't be fruitful to elaborate any further right now.


Please refrain from decorating text as much as possible. Thanks.

...Credo quia absurdum...

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What happened with the shorten link you posted was it ONLY WORKED ONE TIME, and then it requested that YOU JOIN FACEBOOK if you wanted to continue to keep using it. And xxpo also has NO DESIRE whatsoever to join that organization which thanks to SNOWDEN we also know collects your personal data, photos, etc and turns it over to UNCLE SAM.

As for the GIRLS ...

what this is in reference to is THE GIRLS DERN FINDS inside of SMITHY'S HOUSE which you say are NOT REAL GIRLS because they are suppose to be HER INNER VOICES.

Then it was also pointed out to you how in MTTH these GIRLS are also seen STANDING on the WALK of FAME where one of them turns a trick and gets paid with EUROS.

But DERN is also NO WHERE AROUND at this time, which LOGIC also tells us means it MAKES NO SENSE for us to SEE the INNER VOICES of someone when the person from which they originate is NOT THERE.

So Xav.

Why do you continue to IGNORE this FACT each time one presents it to you???

Is it because it doesn't FIT in with your interpretation of the GIRLS being INNER VOICES as you claim they are???

And instead of addressing the issue, you also try to DIVERT ATTENTION, by making up this other matter where you try to deny you know what one means when they say THE GIRLS you say are suppose to be THE INNER VOICES of DERN???


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"What happened with the shorten link you posted was it ONLY WORKED ONE TIME, and then it requested that YOU JOIN FACEBOOK if you wanted to continue to keep using it. And xxpo also has NO DESIRE whatsoever to join that organization which thanks to SNOWDEN we also know collects your personal data, photos, etc and turns it over to UNCLE SAM. "

Pathetic.


"Then it was also pointed out to you how in MTTH these GIRLS are also seen STANDING on the WALK of FAME where one of them turns a trick and gets paid with EUROS."

MTTH is not part of the movie called INLAND EMPIRE. Those are scenes that did not make it to the feature film for reasons beyond your knowledge. Get it?



Please refrain from decorating text as much as possible. Thanks.

...Credo quia absurdum...

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What you don't seem to GET XAV is how LYNCH himself also SAYS MORE THINGS THAT HAPPENED is also an IMPORTANT part of the story.

So WHY would the guy who CREATES this additional footage of the IE WORLD say MTTH is important if it were not???

Look at the WAY he LABELS IT:

MORE THINGS THAT HAPPENED

This isn't a section of the DVD called DELETED SCENES.

You seem to be confusing DELETED SCENES with MTTH.

MTTH is meant to COMPLIMENT the rest of the story, which it does.

We see DERN with an IRONING BOARD and holding up candles in SMITHY'S DARK LIVING ROOM which PARALLELS the other scene in the RABBIT ROOM.

We've also got NATASSJA telling DERN about meeting BILLY in the bar who takes her to the FAKE TWIN COPY of the HOTEL ROOM.

And we've also got the scene where we see THE PHANTOM sell LOST GIRL the same watch we see DERN using as it RUNS BACKWARDS in TIME.

Obviously these are VERY IMPORTANT scenes that help to further our understanding and NOT something that is NOT WORTH taking seriously or into consideration as you try to claim (simply because WHAT HAPPENS in MORE THINGS THAT HAPPENS disproves your THE GIRLS are INNER VOICE INTERPRETATION.







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That phantom with the watch and time going backwad makes sense to me.

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Two remarks.

1. MTTH is available for region one DVD countries only. Does the world end at the borders of U$A and Canada? No way ! The feature film is enough and in itself a completely comprehensible piece of art.

2. The "inner voices" have an origin of course. This origin gets explained in MTTH. The €50 points to Europe. Again one hooker attracts attention by accepting this foreign currency. Do I need to tell that the current currency in Poland is the Euro? Yes, madam, the stories partially overlap. Inner voices and real prostitutes on the Walk of Fame at the same time. A bunch of hookers of which one has Polish roots. So, who payed that girl? Do we know him? Some fücker who went to some Eastern Europe sh!thole with the fücking circus, maybe !?



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http://parallax-view.org/2011/11/08/interview-david-lynch-on-inland-empire-ii-the-dvd/



Interviewer:


You have about 70 minutes of deleted footage in the “More Things That Happened” section ...

LYNCH:

Right.

[You know, there are things in “More Things That Happened” that give a feeling that could be like a brother or sister to the film.

It’s like if you know a family but you haven’t met the sister yet, you go over to Ohio and meet the sister and it adds more to the feeling of the whole family.


So go ahead and assume MTTH has NO IMPORTANCE to the rest of the STORY if you like ...

but in this INTERVIEW LYNCH also makes it CLEAR enough for us that MTTH does have RELEVANCE that you try to DENY it does.

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"So go ahead and assume MTTH has NO IMPORTANCE to the rest of the STORY if you like but in this INTERVIEW LYNCH also makes it CLEAR enough for us that MTTH does have RELEVANCE that you try to DENY it does."

Here you go again. Another fücking lie. I never said MTTH does not have relevance. You stupid cow !



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Name calling is hardly necessary just because your INNER VOICES INTERPRETATION has been proven wrong Xav.

Even SPEAR doesn't get this NASTY when we attack his interpretation.

He'll accuse someone of being a PSEUDO INTELLECTUAL ...

but he would also never tell them they're a STUPID COW.

Do you really want to go this LOW???

It's only a DEBATE DUDE.

Try to RELAX and CALM DOWN.



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Why doesn't someone make a thread on the phantom of the paradise?

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Wish you were a pseudo intellectual, you're not even getting close.
Have a look at all the words you wanted to put in my mouth. Even cows eat less grass.
This has nothing to do with having a debate, albeit playing dirty tricks.


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The FACT (as previously stated by you) are this:

For you THE GIRLS in SMITHY'S HOUSE are NOT REAL, because your interpretation of them is they are THE INNER VOICES of DERN.

But in MTTH these SAME GIRLS you say are merely the INNER VOICES of DERN are also seen standing on the WALK of FAME interacting with each other when DERN is NOT AROUND.

So IF they are THE INNER VOICES, it hardly MAKES SENSE for them to be seen performing that scene when the SOURCE of the MIND from which they originate (according to you) is NOT THERE.

That's the POINT.

Still another point is how we also see DERN PICKING UP LOTS of GLASSES that these GIRLS have been using and she takes them to the KITCHEN SINK to WASH THEM.

And if these GIRLS are only INNER VOICES, it also MAKES NO SENSE that DERN would DIRTY and DRINK from several different GLASSES and create lots of EXTRA HOUSEWORK for herself in the process of having ENTERTAINED what for you would be her INNER VOICES or her IMAGINARY GUEST.


But of course you are also still FREE to see the situation any way you like.

Likewise, your DEBATE OPPONENT is also ENTITLED to see the situation in the way that they chose.







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Dreams are never this complicated are they?

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Both of you please calm down
Each of Your theories are valid.

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"For you THE GIRLS in SMITHY'S HOUSE are NOT REAL, because your interpretation of them is they are THE INNER VOICES of DERN."

This is so pathetic. Again and again you really prove yourself to be a stupid cow. I'm really sorry for you. But you can not even remember the difference between Smithy's house and house 1358 !

See what I mean? Everyone with some common sense will understand that xxpo is the last person on earth capable of falsifying a theory.



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And what do you prove each time that you call someone else a NASTY NAME XAV???

You Certainly don't offer us any proof of your EMOTIONAL MATURITY.

Do you???

So What exactly is the difference between SMITHY'S HOUSE and house number 1358???

We also see that same number listed on the FAKE TWIN COPY of the PROP we see sitting inside of STAGE 4.

So what???

How is someone suppose to know you think SMITHY'S HOUSE and the PROP are NOT the same place???

Are we suppose to READ your MIND and absorb what you think by the process of OSMOSIS???

If you're also under the assumption one has read your interpretation or an explanation of the reasons why you think these are NOT the same places, then you're also mistaken.






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So What exactly is the difference between SMITHY'S HOUSE and house number 1358??? We also see that same number listed on the FAKE TWIN COPY of the PROP we see sitting inside of STAGE 4. So what??? How is someone suppose to know you think SMITHY'S HOUSE and the PROP are NOT the same place??? Are we suppose to READ your MIND and absorb what you think by the process of OSMOSIS??? If you're also under the assumption one has read your interpretation or an explanation of the reasons why you think these are NOT the same places, then you're also mistaken.

Wow. You just betrayed yourself, because you do remember, which implies you are playing dirty tricks.



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XAV you need to GET A GRIP.

ONE can't remember SOMETHING they NEVER READ before.

If one mentions they haven't read something that you wrote ...

that doesn't EQUATE to having READ it and then trying to DENY it.

All it means is one REMEMBERS having SEEN your TOPICS posted here before ...

like your IE for DUMMIES TOPIC ...

BUT that also doesn't mean one has READ IT.

All it means is one assumes that YOU ASSUME they've read it before ...

due to the way you say these 2 places are not the SAME PLACE as if ONE is also already suppose to KNOW THIS.

xxpo has NO REASON to LIE to you dude.

xxpo honestly has NO IDEA WHY you see these 2 places as not being the SAME PLACE.





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"xxpo has NO REASON to LIE to you dude.
xxpo honestly has NO IDEA WHY you see these 2 places as not being the SAME PLACE."


People conversing about themselves and use the third person singular always give me the impression of dealing with someone who suffers from a cognitive dissociative disorder. Nonetheless xxpo has no idea why the unreal partitions almost seamlessly progress into the real partitions of the film and vice versa. Well, that's not a surprise of course.



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In case you've forgotten ...

like the NEW NEIGHBOR also tells us we will ...

because it isn't something YOU'LL REMEMBER ...

THE NEW NEIGHBOR is in the role of MARLEY ...

the character from THE CHRISTMAS CAROL ...

who comes to WARN and show SCROOGE what will happen if he continues on the PATH that he's taking into the FUTURE where TINY TIM dies.

LYNCH also talks about THE PATHLESS PATH ...

how we get from here to here without really going anywhere.



GET to the DEEPEST LEVEL,
and NIKI Grace isn't getting there,
she's somewhere else
lost in worlds within worlds

she also takes a PATHLESS PATH ... goes from HERE to HERE ...
instead of from here to there

http://books.google.com/book




So whereas one could also argue and say the DEATH of TINY TIM wasn't REAL ...

it WAS REAL ...

IF SCROOGE chose to keep taking that PATHWAY into the FUTURE.

Same situation with DERN.

EVERYTHING we see happening in IE is REAL ...

if she also continues to take this PATHWAY into this FUTURE.

So the MAGIC is also REAL that the NEW NEIGHBOR uses to show DERN what will happen to her ...

IF she continues on this PATHWAY and takes the part in this CURSED FILM.

And do we know for sure WHAT CHOICE she makes at the end of IE???

Since she VANISHES into THIN AIR, maybe that means one could assume she chose NOT to take the part.

Your continued use of ARGUMENT AD HOMINEM attacks also does NOTHING to help you WIN the debate.

Personally ATTACKING one's opponent is a FALLACY, which also means YOU automatically LOSE the debate each time you stoop that low and resort to using one.














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My understanding of having a fair debate is far from your methods (tricks). I would never put different words or meanings into someone's mouth the way you constantly do. I would not extrapolate a statement into some sort of conclusion having nothing to do with the original statement at all. I would never claim I would have made an argument against a theory based upon merely my own different view. That's simply not the way I engage a fair debate. I would for sure try to remember what the other said and stated. I can only wish you might understand.



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YOU stated THE GIRLS were THE INNER VOICES of DERN.

Then you also tried to DENY you said this, by NIT PICKING about what was said, which was reworded, but which basically also amounted to the SAME THING that you'd said about how you interpret the film.

Then after you said the scene in MTTH had no importance in relation to what else happens in IE ...

PART of AN INTERVIEW with LYNCH was also posted and it was shown how LYNCH himself described MTTH as being an IMPORTANT part of the WHOLE TALE.

Then you GO OFF in still another different direction where you talk about MTTH only being on the REGION ONE DVD (which also isn't a problem for YOU due to the way you say you also have a copy of the REGION ONE DVD).

Right XAV???

So if YOU can get one, one would also assume the rest of the GLOBE could get one IF they also wanted one???

Anyhow, it was also POINTED OUT to you that NO ONE wants to DENY you the right to CHOSE to see things the way you want to.

And that it also isn't very nice for you to try and DENY someone else the right to CHOSE to see things the way they see them.

But regardless of what's been said, the NAME CALLING also continued, which also doesn't do anything to PROVE your point of view.

Does it???


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YOU stated THE GIRLS were THE INNER VOICES of DERN.
No, that's not what I said. You see how difficult it is for you to remember what someone else has said.

Then you also tried to DENY you said this, by NIT PICKING about what was said, which was reworded, but which basically also amounted to the SAME THING that you'd said about how you interpret the film.
No, no, no. You keep changing and manipulating words and meanings. It's hopeless.

Then after you said the scene in MTTH had no importance in relation to what else happens in IE PART of AN INTERVIEW with LYNCH was also posted and it was shown how LYNCH himself described MTTH as being an IMPORTANT part of the WHOLE TALE.
This is getting really overly absurd.

Then you GO OFF in still another different direction where you talk about MTTH only being on the REGION ONE DVD (which also isn't a problem for YOU due to the way you say you also have a copy of the REGION ONE DVD).
I'm not talking for myself only. And it is what it is, just an extra DVD for fans. Not really necessary for understanding IE.

Right XAV???
No !

So if YOU can get one, one would also assume the rest of the GLOBE could get one IF they also wanted one???
Technical stuff has never been your cup of tea, has it?

Anyhow, it was also POINTED OUT to you that NO ONE wants to DENY you the right to CHOSE to see things the way you want to.
Fine.

And that it also isn't very nice for you to try and DENY someone else the right to CHOSE to see things the way they see them.
Wait a minute. I never ridiculed your view, did I? I remember trying to have a fruitful exchange of thoughts about it, but that also stranded because your lack of debating skills.

But regardless of what's been said, the NAME CALLING also continued, which also doesn't do anything to PROVE your point of view.
Maybe, you asked for it by debating so intensely unfair, and ... maybe it's not just name-calling albeit close to the truth.

Does it???
You still do not seem to understand that no one can prove anything. All there is when it comes to views, interpretations, ideas, writings and theories are falsifications.






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ME:

YOU stated THE GIRLS were THE INNER VOICES of DERN.

YOU:

that's not what I said. You see how difficult it is for you to remember what someone else has said.



Here's part of what you posted and what you said 5 DAYS AGO XAV ...

and WHAT you SAID also makes it clear enough which one of us is the one who is confused about what it is that you said:


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0460829/board/thread/216119414?p=2&d=216150291#216150291


Xav6101 5 days ago (Fri Jun 21 2013 07:44:33)

Here is another example of those inner voices:



I really thought you would last, you two. I saw it coming Sorry, I did! You're full of *beep* Dori. Sucks He was the one I really thought he was, you know? So what? He's gone.


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0460829/board/thread/216119414?d=216148033&p=2#216148033

Xav6101 5 days ago (Fri Jun 21 2013 06:17:11)

Remember, [b] those Chorus Girls are the inner voices of the protagonist:





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Learn to be accurate, and notice the differences between your words and mine. It's impossible to have a decent conversation if you keep changing words and meanings, because it proves at least that you do not, or are not willing to, understand what the other is trying to communicate. As long as you don't understand what's been said you can never make a valid argument that can falsify a view/writing/interpretation/understanding/theory.

The girls is not the same as the Chorus Girls. Dern is not the same as the protagonist.

Get it?




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Mulholland Drive and Lost Highway both received a good deal of attention on that question - critics made claims about what was real,

who was real, they tried to stabilize the ontological relationships between Diane and Betty or Fred and Pete.

It didn't really add anything to those films, and it would truly be a fool's errand with Inland Empire.

It probably can't be done, and spending time on it tends to obscure the formal systems actually at work in the film.

that this film is basically about Lynch's obsession with lamps isn't so far off.


it is possible to interpret Lynch's films - they are, usually, grounded in fairly clear emotional and moral positions
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http://www.phawker.com/2007/02/09/review-inland-empire-directed-by-david-lynch-2006/

What Lynch does with Inland Empire is

ERASE the border between dream state and reality,

essentially BY NEVER establishing THE REAL.

Everything is as real as it is unreal,

and eventually you stop pondering the difference.



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What one GETS is YOU (not me) are the one who has NOT BEEN CLEAR or SINCERE about what's been said.

To you SMITHY'S HOUSE is not the same as the other HOUSE with the SAME NUMBER on it ...

yet when asked WHY NOT, no explanation is for forthcoming, and some LAME REASON is given for not being willing to explain that involves some OFF THE WALL ACCUSATION about xxpo already knowing something they DO NOT and playing DIRTY TRICKS with you.

What's obvious at this point is YOU (not xxpo) are the one who keeps playing MIND GAMES.

You also hurl other FALSE ACCUSATIONS saying what you've said wasn't interpreted correctly.

Yet when given PROOF that what you said was interpreted in a CORRECT MANNER, you once again GET EVASIVE, and TRY to claim the other person is the one who doesn't GET IT.

So at this point, the only RATIONAL thing to do is to DISCONTINUE the conversation with you, because it's Also CLEAR that NO EFFORT on anyone's part is going to help to RESOLVE this matter with you.

And the BOTTOM line is also this:

FACTS are FACTS XAV ...

and what you said IN YOUR OWN WORDS ...

also PROVES you said what you now TRY to DENY.











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I know man, I really do. When they sing, they sing to me, they sing it for me. Do the locomotion with me.
And for sure I did that locomotion, you bet, right through that fücking fourth wall. Just telling ya, so ya know.

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It's easy for someone to assume IE BREAKS the 4TH WALL.

But it DOES NOT.

The scene where we see DERN walking on the PATH and then up to the CAMERA where it appears like she makes a CLOWN FACE at us, for example, could be interpreted as BREAKING the 4TH WALL.

But when one places that scene into CONTEXT with the other SCENES, then one concludes this was another scene where DERN is once again MAKING a FACE at her other TWIN COPY (such as the Scene where we see the DERN making the CLOWN FACE at the other DERN across the street on the WALK of FAME).

There's also the NORTH and SOUTH Scene where we see one DERN looking DOWN at the other one who LOOKS UP at her.

The one she looks up at is also in SMITHY'S BEDROOM, because you can also see the SPARKELS on the ceiling.

So this is 3 SCENES where we have the TWIN COPIES of DERN LOOKING at each other, and NOT a case where the 4TH WALL is BROKEN.

There's also the other WHO IS SHE Scene where LANI looks into the CAMERA when she ASKS this question, and one can also make the mistake of assuming this is also a case of BREAKING the 4TH WALL.

But after you also NOTICE the way the other actress (THE WOMAN in WHITE) doesn't HEAR her or what she says, one also comes to the conclusion this is a case where the OTHER FILM VERSION of the AXXON N TALE is being PROJECTED onto some kinda Wall or SCREEN, and THE GIRLS who are watching it also want to know WHO this CHARACTER is that they see in this other FILM VERSION that they're making the REMAKE VERSION of.

So whereas one can make the MISTAKE of thinking a 4TH WALL is being BROKEN in IE, further observation illustrates the reason why this is PROBABLY also NOT the case.






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As the Chorus Girls dance and sing:

# So come on, come on Do the locomotion with me #
# You've gotta swing your hips now #
# Come on, baby #
# Jump up-- #

...

I was tryin' to save us some money.

So, at exactly the moment of jumping up (backwards as the real motion picture shows us) the story literally jumps back in time to arrive in house 1358, where we (audience) encounter a crucial occurrence of a man and a woman revealing the heart of the story. The synchronized jump back of the dancing girls coincides not only their words but also the factual jump in time and space of the story, which is an excellent example of Lynch breaking the 4th wall. It is as if the dancing girls are aware of the story they are in. Now I guess, madam xxpo is going to interrupt by telling me these dancing girls were inner voices. Well, they sure are, but nonetheless Lynch also 'uses' them as voices that sometimes direct us like the old Greek Chorus in classic plays. Two of these girls, Lani and Lori literally and explicitly face the camera when they ask us, the audience as well as lost girl who is still looking at her screen in room 205 as well as the protagonist herself: Who is she? as we all face the dead girl in the stairwell. Lynch's abstractions never get caught by one superficial meaning only ever.



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With a bit of a mind flip
You're into the time slip.

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Your name looks like kmkiller

David Lynch: 'Watching movies on a smartphone is pathetic'

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And crawling on the PLANETS FACE ...

are INSECTS ...

called the HUMAN RACE ...

LOST in TIME ...

and LOST in SPACE ...

and MEANING.





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Red a(u)nts

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I am surprised actors are insane before they start acting this kind of thing
How do they manage to put themselves through something like this while they are already so crazy?


If you've never seen a documentary called LOVE MARILYN, try watching it sometime.

According to some people, Marilyn also had some serious mental health issues, but she also wanted to be an ACTRESS.

And maybe part of the reason why had something to do with the way she was REJECTED by her father?

So maybe she seeks the kind of LOVE and ATTENTION that she never got from him elsewhere?

Here's some interesting links that also suggest both Marilyn and Princess DI had the same disorder:


http://www.theboomermagazine.com/candles-in-the-wind-marilyn-monroe-princess-diana-and-borderline-personality-disorder/

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/06/21/borderline-personality-disorder-and-sex.html

So maybe MARILYN seeks ATTENTION due to the ABSENCE of having a Father in her life, and maybe Di sought ATTENTION elsewhere due to her having a husband who cared more about another woman named CAMILLA???

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My post was written in a state of delirium.
forgive me.

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I am interested in the phantom of the paradise
Does anyone know if it relates to the rock band Queen ?

I am interested in the phantom of the paradise
Does anyone know what it relates to?
What was its genesis?
Could it be
That in some fantastic way things actually do mean things?


http://freddiemercurybiopic.files.wordpress.com

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The films are allegorical living nightmares.

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Here's another interesting article.

And The last line also seems to SUM UP pretty well what wathcing IE is really all about:



http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmblog/2007/mar/09/whatisdavidlynchsinlandem

For the Boston Globe's Ty Burr, the film should be understood as a treatise on (to paraphrase its own tagline) all "women in trouble".

The film's litany of flickering screens meant to Slant's Ed Gonzalez that it was clearly about "the ecstasy and healing power of watching movies", while for others the cursed production framing the rest of the movie constituted a poisoned valentine to old Hollywood and/or the modern film industry.

But predictably, [blue[the most inventive ideas have appeared on forums,[/blue] in particular that of Lynch's own Inland Empire site. There, posters have mused at length on what the director was intending the film to signify.

The permanence of memory?

The future of eastern Europe?

His own body of work?

Telepathy?

The natures of men and animals?

The terror of one woman (but not Dern) at the loss of her husband and child?

All as valid, or not, as the next

Almost uniquely among any film of any era, Inland Empire is, very genuinely, about whatever you come away thinking it's about -


Hence the reason why NO ONE here seems to AGREE with ANYONE ELSE about what they think the FILM is about.





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Here's another article which zeros in on the feminist aspect of IE:


http://www.emanuellevy.com/review/inland-empire-3/

Inland Empire seems to contain a more explicit feminist streak than Lynch's former pictures.

It may be a matter of interpretation, but Nikki succeeds in liberating a prostitute/sex slave from her master/pimp, and most of the violence in the film is targeted at men, which emphasizes even more the revenge motif.

At the end, holding a gun, a deglamorized Nikki/Susan comes close to looking like Abel Ferrara's protagonist in the semi-feminist vengeance saga, “Ms. 45.



What's interesting is how this person who writes the article also makes the same mistake LP did ...

(thinking LOST GIRL is the same girl as the other BLURRY FACE girl in the BLACK/WHITE Scene).

At first xxpo also made the same mistake as well, until others here pointed out the reasons why LG is a different girl.

So what's also interesting is how EACH GIRL that we see in IE fits in well with what DERN says about how there was a GUY she knew ...

but it didn't really matter what his NAME was ...

with the implication being they're all pretty much the same.

And it also doesn't seem to matter what the GIRL's name is either ...

when each time we meet one of them ...

their story also seems to be THE SAME kind of a STORY.




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the 90 year old niece...

354
00:41:05,642 --> 00:41:09,082
Ever since we went into pre-production,
she's been

355
00:41:09,082 --> 00:41:10,542
... fascinated by Smithy.

356
00:41:10,855 --> 00:41:12,732
Keeps going on and on about Smithy...

357
00:41:13,879 --> 00:41:18,467
... asking in that ancient
foreign voice of hers

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00:41:19,822 --> 00:41:22,534
Who is playing Smithy?



So WHO is playing the part of this SMITHY character???

PIOTREK???

The MUSTASH MAN???

Someone else???

And what do we know about the MUSTASH MAN other than he can't have kids and seems to be in love with another woman???

If we have an ACTOR (LUCAS) ...

who plays these 3 parts (PIOTREK/SMITHY/MUSTASH MAN) ...

in KINGSLEY'S REMAKE ...

(which probably also includes clips which are REMAKES of 47) ...

then what do we know about LUCAS???

For all we know he believes in equality in relationships rather than in a patriarchal system.

And for all we know that last scene may also be the ACTRESS meeting her HUSBAND or a brother or another relative rather than the LOST GIRL character meeting the SMITHY character.

Just like we also have the REAL LIFE HUBBY of DERN (who plays the parts of NIKI/SUE/Monologue Lady) there at the PALACE PARTY where we see him playing the PIANO in the other scene.

And we also have no idea what his views regarding a Patriarchal system would be???

FOR still more DETAILS regarding the matter GO HERE:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0460829/board/thread/203329872?p=1














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