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The LIGHTING EFFECT and Scripting one's own death

posted 10 years ago by xxpo
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Right before Niki arrives at STAGE 4 we see an image of the SUN. What's interesting to note about this image we see of the SUN is how it can only be seen that way by looking through a LENS.

The same kind of LIGHTING effect is also seen when we first see LOST GIRL.

Once again we view LG as if we are seeing her through some kind of a GLASS LENS (such as through the LENS of a camera).

Therefore this LIGHTING Effect also offers us PROOF that the images we see don't come from inside of the MIND of someone else.

Because if that were the case, there would be no need for this type of a LENS EFFECT that we see in IE.

[–] xxpo 10 years ago

When Roy dies in BLADE RUNNER he SCRIPTS his own death.

In other words, he PRE PLANS BEFOREHAND what he's going to say, how he's going to say it, and HOW he dies.

And as Roy explains to the detective (the Blade Runner who's been HUNTING him) some of the things that he's seen ...

he also laments about how everything he's seen ...

all those MOMENTS in TIME ...

will be LOST

like TEARS in RAIN.

And he also holds a DOVE in his hand as he says this that is released into the air and set free after he dies.

The DEATH of Socrates was also SCRIPTED or PRE PLANNED Beforehand.

And when Socrates dies his last words were to also request that a ROOSTER be sacrificed to the GREEK GOD Apollo.

So whereas the DOVE in BLADE RUNNER gets to live after the death of Roy, apparently a ROOSTER dies after the death of Socrates.

But what's interesting is how the DEATH of DERN also seems to be SCRIPTED or PLANNED BEFOREHAND.

And we also know this because before she's STABBED she SNAPS her fingers and tells the other girls with her to:

WATCH this MOVE.

So the question becomes WHY was her death on the WALK of FAME SCRIPTED or PRE PLANNED BEFOREHAND ???

And what kind of a GAIN comes from her SCRIPTED death on the WALK of FAME???

And what does Roy hope to Gain from telling the detective about the things that he's seen before he dies his SCRIPTED death???

And what did Socrates hope to Gain by choosing to die the SCRIPTED way in which he dies???

[–] nikkiweir 10 years ago

A moment scripted, or understood?

If thou didst ever hold me in thy heart,
Absent thee from felicity awhile,
And in this harsh world draw thy breath in pain,
To tell my story.

Hamlet, Act V, scene ii

[Emphasis supplied.]

[–] xxpo 10 years ago

Doesn't Scripting one's OWN death also seem to involve doing it so that one will be UNDERSTOOD???

ROY, for example, wants DECKAR to know what it feels like to be a HUNTED SLAVE so he TORMENTS him and HUNTS him before he SAVES him from falling from the BRADBURY Building.

Hamlet also TORMENTS a few people prior to his death.

But yes they all also seem to want their STORY TOLD as well.

[–] xxpo 10 years ago

Doesn't Scripting one's OWN death also seem to involve doing it so that one will be UNDERSTOOD???

ROY, for example, wants DECKARD (Harrison Ford) to know what it feels like to be a HUNTED SLAVE so he TORMENTS him and HUNTS him before he SAVES him from falling from the BRADBURY Building.

Hamlet also TORMENTS a few people prior to his death.

But yes they all also seem to want their STORY to be TOLD as well.

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[–] xxpo 10 years ago

In the other post you claim dern isnt dead

Yes, good point.

DERN herself isn't dead, but the CHARACTER that she plays in the ON HIGH FILM is suppose to have died.

And before that character dies she also tells the other girls on the WALK of FAME to WATCH this MOVE ...

meaning she also PRE PLANS beforehand to be STABBED with that SCREW DRIVER.

Right???

How else do we interpret this scene where she first SNAPS her fingers 4 TIMES and then snaps them another 3 times for a TOTAL of 7 times ...

as if that's also the signal for this other girl to GRAB hold of that Screw Driver and attack her with it???

Could that have been the OTHER TWIN COPY of DERN that THE PHANTOM got inside of like BOB gets INSIDE of LAURA'S Dad and Agent Cooper???

Is that also the reason why he KNOWS the 47 SIGNAL (snapping his fingers) will result in the WOMAN in the WHITE SHORTS STABBING him ...

because he's also the one who HYPNOTIZED her and told her that she would KILL someone with a SCREW DRIVER???

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[–] xxpo 10 years ago

I believe the character in the ON HIGH film is what's real

How can it be REAL when we END by coming back to the NEW NEIGHBOR again ...

who is still seen sitting there with NIKI inside of her home ...

as NIKI turns her head ...

to look across the room ...

and sees the other TWIN COPY of herself sitting over on the other couch???

At the START of IE the NEW NEIGHBOR also says to Niki:

And then there's THE MAGIC

which obviously means she's using MAGIC to show Niki what happens IF NIKI takes the part in this film.

Lynch also calls this journey she takes with the NEW NEIGHBOR the PATHLESS PATH.

Because instead of going from HERE to THERE ...

you go from HERE to HERE ...

or stay put in the same place as you travel through TIME like NIKI does in this story.

This is also the reason why the NEW NEIGHBOR is like MARLEY in THE CHRISTMAS CAROL ... who shows SCROOGE what will happen if he stays on the same PATHWAY that he takes into his future time (where Tiny Tim dies).

So Scrooge, like Niki, also takes a journey on a PATHLESS PATH.

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You see?

The ENDING part of IE also looks like a CAST PARTY or what they call a WRAP UP party which people have to celebrate the end of having made a FILM.

And neither NIKI nor LOST GIRL are there.

LOST GIRL is in SMITHY'S HOUSE with him and the other young boy.

And The DERN that we see sitting there at THE WRAP UP party is the DERN in the PALE BLUE 60's style dress who was seen sitting on the other couch as NIKI turns her head to look across the room.

Perhaps One might also call her a GHOST of LOVE???

As in STRANGE what LOVE DOES ...

SO STRANGE ...

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[–] xxpo 10 years ago

How does any of that indicate it's not real? That's exactly the point. She comes back to where she was before, back to her heaven where she has finally paid what she owed. Yes the new neighbor seems to show something will happen, but it's not like scrooge where it doesn't have to happen if he changes his ways... this is something that HAS to happen.

WHO COMES BACK to where they were before???

NOTE the way we have 3 different VERSIONS of DERN:

1. We have ONE DERN sitting inside the RABBIT ROOM (the BEATEN UP looking DERN),

2. another one as NIKI still sitting inside the PALACE with THE NEW NEIGHBOR,

3. and still another one in the PALE BLUE DRESS who ends up at the WRAP UP Party.

NOTE the way we also MORPH from seeing the FACE of LOST GIRL to seeing the FACE of the NEW NEIGHBOR.

So is this NEW NEIGHBOR also an OLDER VERSION of LOST GIRL???

NOTE the way the NEW NEIGHBOR also speaks with a POLISH ACCENT as well.

NOTE the way she also says she lives JUST DOWN THE WAY ...

a phrase that gets REPEATED AGAIN 2 MORE TIMES in reference to WHAT HAPPENS in POLAND.

For example, you also hear LANI and LORI saying this once they go through the MAGIC WINDOW of SMITHY'S HOUSE with DERN and end up on the SNOWY STREET in POLAND.

Anyhow you also never said WHO it is or WHICH CHARACTER you think it is in OH HIGH who is REAL.

It appears you're arbitrarily saying the ending is meaningless. It's just them celebrating the end of filming. I disagree. If the film means anything, the end scene must mean something as well. If it truly doesn't mean anything then Lynch is arbitrarily throwing things in that make no sense within the context of the film. If so, how could he expect viewers to attempt to analyze this film if throws in random scenes. Throwing in random scenes means he doesn't WANT people to understand it. If that is the case, I might do myself a favor and accept it for the random nonsense that it is.

No the ending isn't MEANINGLESS.

It definitely has meaning.

NOTE the way RITA from MD is also seen sitting there. Also NOTE the way she GRABS hold of the hand of another guy sitting there beside of her who is WEARING A WATCH that looks like the WATCH with the GREEN TINT to it's face.

Since THE PHANTOM sells LOST GIRL a WATCH in MTTH and GRABS her hand, this seems to indicate RITA from MD is THE PHANTOM now who puts a CURSE on this other guy sitting next to her.

Then we have the other girls SINGING and DANCING about THE SINNER MAN who ought to be PRAYING ...

because with the WOMEN in POWER NOW there's going to be TROUBLE for the MEN this time.

As you may recall, LYNCH also kept saying IE is about a WOMAN in TROUBLE.

And you or someone else also point out how the situation MORPHS and changes from one where the WOMAN in POLAND can't have kids to one where the MAN can't have them in LA.

So apparently the 2 SEXES also take turns during this ONGOING STORY ... the LONGEST RUNNING Radio PLAY in HISTORY ... of being the one which has the POWER to CURSE the other one in some way???

Also NOTE the way we see STAGE 4 in MD.

STAGE 4 is also where NIKI ENTERS to make OH HIGH.

And SUZY RABBIT also wears the SAME PINK ROBE as DERN WEARS in MTTH ...

which is also the SAME PINK ROBE one sees NAOMI wearing in MD.

And WHY is RITA from MD sitting there at this CAST PARTY blowing KISSES to DERN???

Also NOTE the way DERN and RITA have NEVER MET before in IE.

So WHY do they BLOW KISSES to each other???

What could this symbolize???

Could DERN as NIKI/SUE also be NAOMI who played the DUAL ROLES of BETTY/DIANE???

Could LOST GIRL also be another version of RITA/CAMILLA from MD.

RITA didn't know WHO she was in MD.

LOST GIRL doesn't know WHERE she is in IE.

Have these 2 characters from MD MORPHED and changed again to become these other 2 characters that we see in IE????

Has BOB from TWIN PEAKS also MORPHED to become THE PHANTOM in IE???

Also NOTE the BLACK and WHITE ZIG ZAGGY FLOOR PATTERN we see in IE which is the SAME FLOOR PATTERN we saw in the LODGE in TP.

Also NOTE those RED CURTAINS we see in IE which are also seen inside of the LODGE in TP.

And we also have the other guy SAWING a LOG at this CAST or WRAP UP party as if that's also suppose to SYMBOLIZE something about TP???

So there's LOTS of meaning there at this PARTY if one looks around CLOSELY ENOUGH at what's going on there.

And since LYNCH has NEVER made another FILM again since then, that CAST party may also be his SWAN SONG, or a scene to SYMBOLIZE how this would be his LAST FILM ...

very similar to the way SHAKESPEARE makes THE TEMPEST ...

which is also his last PLAY ...

which is also one where he lets us know that he is HANGING up his WRITING PEN (so to speak) ...

and that he won't be making anymore more PLAYS again.

So that LAST SCENE may also be a tribute or a CELEBRATION of his life as a FILM MAKER.

[–] xxpo 10 years ago

Right before Niki arrives at STAGE 4 we see an image of the SUN. What's interesting to note about this image we see of the SUN is how it can only be seen that way by looking through a LENS.

The same kind of LIGHTING effect is also seen when we first see LOST GIRL.

Once again we view LG as if we are seeing her through some kind of a GLASS LENS (such as through the LENS of a camera).

Therefore this LIGHTING Effect also offers us PROOF that the images we see don't come from inside of the MIND of someone else.

Because if that were the case, there would be no need for this type of a LENS EFFECT that we see in IE.

Please also NOTE the way this LENS EFFECT that we see ...

when we first see LOST GIRL sitting inside of what is probably also the FAKE TWIN COPY of the OLD HOTEL that's been created inside the MOVIE LOT ...

the same way as we also see the a FAKE TWIN COPY of SMITHY'S HOUSE being created inside of STAGE 4 ...

and we later see there's also been a FAKE TWIN COPY of the WALK of FAME created inside STAGE 4 as well ...

doesn't this LENS EFFECT also mean she's not DEAD or sitting inside of some kind of a PURGATORY place???

Because if that's the case then WHY would we need this LENS EFFECT???

Doesn't the LENS EFFECT that we see seem to indicate this scene would also be a part of the MOVIE that we see being made???

[–] xxpo 10 years ago

Right before Niki arrives at STAGE 4 we see an image of the SUN. What's interesting to note about this image we see of the SUN is how it can only be seen that way by looking through a LENS.

The same kind of LIGHTING effect is also seen when we first see LOST GIRL.

Once again we view LG as if we are seeing her through some kind of a GLASS LENS (such as through the LENS of a camera).

On the other hand ...

since in MTTH we also hear THE PHANTOM say he will WATCH OVER Lost Girl if she BUYS the WATCH from him ...

perhaps it's also the MIND of THE PHANTOM that lives inside the LENS and or the CAMERA and the MOVIE PROJECTOR ...

and maybe that's what is happening when we see the LENS WATCHING NIKI when she arrives in the GOLF CART at STAGE 4???

[–] xxpo 10 years ago

Right before Niki arrives at STAGE 4 we see an image of the SUN. What's interesting to note about this image we see of the SUN is how it can only be seen that way by looking through a LENS.

The same kind of LIGHTING effect is also seen when we first see LOST GIRL.

Once again we view LG as if we are seeing her through some kind of a GLASS LENS (such as through the LENS of a camera).

On the other hand ...

since in MTTH we also hear THE PHANTOM say he will WATCH OVER Lost Girl if she BUYS the WATCH from him ...

perhaps it's also the MIND of THE PHANTOM that lives inside the LENS and or the CAMERA and the MOVIE PROJECTOR ...

and maybe that's what is happening when we see the LENS WATCHING NIKI when she arrives in the GOLF CART at STAGE 4???

Also thought the NEW POSTER who expresses an interest in this film might also find this message interesting as well.

[–] xxpo 10 years ago

Right before Niki arrives at STAGE 4 we see an image of the SUN. What's interesting to note about this image we see of the SUN is how it can only be seen that way by looking through a LENS.

The same kind of LIGHTING effect is also seen when we first see LOST GIRL.

Once again we view LG as if we are seeing her through some kind of a GLASS LENS (such as through the LENS of a camera).

On the other hand ...

since in MTTH we also hear THE PHANTOM say he will WATCH OVER Lost Girl if she BUYS the WATCH from him ...

perhaps it's also the MIND of THE PHANTOM that lives inside the LENS and or the CAMERA and the MOVIE PROJECTOR ...

and maybe that's what is happening when we see the LENS WATCHING NIKI when she arrives in the GOLF CART at STAGE 4???

Also thought the NEW POSTER who expresses an interest in this film might also find this message interesting as well.

OR ...

MAYBE this was BUCKY J who creates this LIGHTING EFFECT that we see???

[–] Erniesam 10 years ago

Of course the ending has a specific meaning. It isn´t to celebrate the ending of the movie, but to celebrate the choice of Sue (the woman in trouble). This would also explain the sawing in the ending, indicating that Sue has made progress and is using the tools correctly, but still has a way to go.

[–] xxpo 10 years ago

The MAN who SAWS the LOG is most likely a reference to what happens in TWIN PEAKS (where we also had another PHANTOM called BOB who wants to GET INSIDE of people and KILLS LAURA PALMER when she won't let him get inside of her).

But the CHARACTER is the PALE BLUE DRESS isn't SUE BLUE ...

she's the GHOST of LOVE ...

the PART NIKI would have played IF she takes the PART and becomes SUE ...

but we also END UP back at the START of IE again ...

where NIKI sees the GHOST of LOVE in the PALE BLUE DRESS sitting over on the OTHER COUCH ...

meaning NIKI also never REALLY takes the part in KINGSLEY'S FILM ...

because this has been THE NEW NEIGHBOR using her MAGIC to show NIKI what happens IF SHE takes the part in it.

So NIKI, like SCROOGE, will probably also NOT take the PART in this CURSED FILM that leads to the DEATHS and MURDER of the 2 LEAD CHARACTERS (like if Scrooge didn't CHANGE his PATHWAY into the FUTURE TIME it also leads to the DEATH of TINY TIM).

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meaning NIKI also never REALLY takes the part in KINGSLEY'S FILM ...

If Niki, according to you, doesn't REALY take the part and we end up back at when she first sees this "Ghost of love" than why is everybody singing and happy?

Your Twin Peaks reference is very, very far fetched.

You realy belief this was a look into that would happen caused by the magic of the visitor? Let me ask you: if so, what is the significance of the ending where Sue and the lost girl meet according to you?

[–] xxpo 10 years ago

Since DERN'S REAL LIFE HUBBY (he plays the PIANO) is also there at what imo is the WRAP UP or the CAST PARTY ...

they're probably happy because the filming is over.

So this is also a REAL LIFE PARTY with DERN wearing the GHOST of LOVE COSTUME ...

or the PALE BLUE 60's STYLE DRESS.

As for the LOG being SAWED ...

most people also see it the same way ...

as symbolic of TWIN PEAKS ...

same way they also see RITA from MD sitting there as being symbolic of MD.

What this also might represent is this being THE SWAN SONG of LYNCH as far as FILM MAKING goes (because he's also NEVER MADE another FEATURE LENGTH FILM again).

So it could also be LYNCH ending his FILM CAREER by putting references in his last film to some of his other films???

Thus also making this not only a WRAP UP PARTY for the CAST but also a WRAP UP PART for the FILM CAREER of LYNCH???

When DERN meets LOST GIRL she DISAPPEARS into THIN Air.

WHY???

Is it because they BOTH play the ROLE of SUE BLUE???

So when ONE VERSION of SUE meets another one then one of them had to VANISH ...

the SAME WAY as WE SEE DERN'S OTHER TWIN COPY DISAPPEAR from the REHEARSAL TABLE in STAGE 4 ONCE the other COPY encounters her???

Or does LOST GIRL merely only IMAGINE DERN coming into ROOM 205???

Sort of like BETTY/DIANE imagines RITA/CAMILLA being there in the KITCHEN and in the LIVING ROOM where she's not really there???

Also NOTE the WAY the SCENE MORPHS from us seeing the FACE of LOST GIRL to our SEEING THE FACE of the NEW NEIGHBOR.

So is the NEW NEIGHBOR also an OLDER VERSION of LOST GIRL???

Since they both speak with a POLISH ACCENT maybe that's also a CLUE to let us know they're the SAME PERSON???

That might also explain how THE NEW NEIGHBOR knows so much about the FILM ROLE that DERN is about to get???

Also Don't have ALL of the ANSWERS in regards to what happens in this film ...

just SOME of them.

[–] Erniesam 10 years ago

To begin with: I don't care about how many people belief something, I care about logic and arguments.

If you think the ending is because Lynch was through with film making, than he must have made that decision right there and than. Above all, Lynch never said he was through with film making, only that he's through with celluloid. To view this ending as just celebrating the end of the movie or moviemaking is wel...nonsensical. This ending is an integral part of the movie, because it depicts the victory of Niki / Sue over herself. That is: a first major step. The log sawing as a reference to Twin Peaks doesn't have any meaning in itself.

Is it because they BOTH play the ROLE of SUE BLUE???

Here you probably accidentally made a suggestion that realy fits into this "one mind theory" as you call it. Certainly they both play the role of Sue Blue, it's just that Nikki has stolen this role from this girl. They CANNOT play this role simultaneously. So at the moment that Sue disappears the lost girl gets her role back. And this is the unpaid bill that needed paying.

I agree with you that the dissolve from the lost girl's face into the face of the visitor (Zabriskie) must have some meaning. At this moment I do not know what this could be exactly. My initial thought would be indeed that the visitor is an older version of this girl: the version that plays a role in the actual fantasy of Niki. Because this fantasy of Niki is chronologically AFTER the lost girl being lost (Nikki has taken her place), the version of the lost girl is older.

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In an interview LYNCH said people are no longer interested in his KIND of MOVIES anymore.

So the question is did he also suspect this when he made IE or at least by the end of IE.

If he had trouble finding FUNDING, the answer may also be YES???

And he probably also had TROUBLE finding THEATERS that were willing to SHOW IE (hence the reason why most of us have probably also only seen it on TV or on DVD)???

Perhaps using the word CELEBRATE isn't an adequate one. So what's the PURPOSE of a CAST PARTY or a WRAP UP party??? It's a way to say GOODBYE??? And maybe saying GOODBYE also isn't the same thing as a CELEBRATION???

Still think this is a WRAP UP party that we see though with DERN'S REAL LIFE HUBBY there playing the piano.

Also still think the man who saws the LOG is there as a REFERENCE and SHOUT OUT to TWIN PEAKS.

Since we NEVER SEE this GHOST of LOVE or this CHARACTER in the PALE BLUE 60'S DRESS in IE ...

except at the VERY END when NIKI finally finished turning her HEAD ...

and looks across the ROOM to see her SITTING THERE ...

which also means NIKI hasn't MADE the MOVIE yet ...

that also means that CAN'T BE NIKI/SUE sitting there.

It's most likely the other character who tells MR. K she was 40 in 1960.

She also wears her hair the SAME WAY as that other WOMAN.

So this also can't be a VICTORY for NIKI who hasn't been anywhere or done anything yet.

Remember when KINGSLEY also asked NIKI if she's HEARD ANYTHING about the film being a REMAKE and she also says she hasn't HEARD ANYTHING ??

Why does she say this when she has also MET THE NEW NEIGHBOR who tells HER almost EVERYTHING???

Why didn't also she mention THE NEW NEIGHBOR at that time.

It's because THE NEW NEIGHBOR is using MAGIC to show NIKI what happens if she continues on a PATHWAY that NIKI hasn't taken yet ... and probably WON'T TAKE ... once she is also aware of how it's a CURSED ROLE where she'd be MURDERED.

So how can there be a VICTORY when she hasn't taken the PART or gotten it yet (hence the reason why this character that you see is also a GHOST and NOT A REAL PERSON)???

So the VICTORY would also be IF NIKI doesn't accept THE ROLE ... the same way as SCROOGE also refused to accept the PART of his story where TINY TIM DIES.

In TWIN PEAKS we had a PHANTOM named BOB who could GET INSIDE of other characters.

Maybe this PHANTOM can also GET INSIDE of characters in this AXXON N story???

Note the way we also WATCH the MOVIE MONITOR inside of ROOM 205 ...

By LOOKING OVER the SHOULDER of LOST GIRL ...

As if we're WATCHING OVER it ...

which also reminds one of the way he tells LOST GIRL he will WATCH OVER her if she buys the WATCH from him.

So maybe the way he can WATCH OVER HER is by GETTING INSIDE of her???

BOB also tries to GET INSIDE of LAURA in TWIN PEAKS.

NIKI doesn't STEAL the ROLE of SUE BLUE.

The other girls place her into the STATE of MIND where she is DREAMING in a KIND of SLEEP ...

then SHOW HER the place where the MURDER TAKES PLACE in POLAND.

That's what they mean when they say SOMEONE FAMILIAR will be there ...

DERN is seeing things FROM INSIDE of the EYES and the MIND of LOST GIRL.

And it also appears as if being HIGH on DRUGS and playing the AXXON N RECORD at the SAME TIME is also what enables her to be able to do that???

Where does THE SPINNING RECORD and the FLOATING HEAD of LOST GIRL saying:

DO YOU WANT TO SEE

come from???

Most likely it comes from the girls playing the AXXON N RECORD (THE RADIO PLAY) while getting HIGH???

Later we also hear them play another RECORD that has a DEEP VOICE like the one we hear inside of the RABBIT ROOM when the BURNING MATCH HEAD appears FLOATING up in the AIR of that room.

So NIKI listens to LOST GIRL on the AXXON N RECORD ...

and LOST GIRL WATCHES NIKI on the MOVIE MONITOR.

But do they ever REALLY MEET each other???

Or is that SCENE inside of ROOM 205 only something that takes place INSIDE of the MIND of LOST GIRL???

THE UNPAID BILL is connected to SMITHY.

VISITOR NUMBER 2 is looking for HIM (not for DERN).

She wants the RENT ...

the BLACK TAMBORINE SONG LYRICS also say CAN'T PAY the RENT AGAIN ...

and FREDDY also keeps asking others for RENT MONEY.

THE UNPAID BILL is THE RENT.

DERN ends up HOMELESS on the WALK of FAME because she has NO RENT MONEY.

Where's the EVIDENCE that the BILL is something else???

Where's the SCENE and the DIALOGUE to prove this???

PERSONAL OPINIONS don't count as you can also see by the way the RED LIGHT is a CLEAR ONE.

So one can also GET LOST and CONFUSED if one doesn't STICK with the SCRIPT or with what one sees in IE.

In MTTH after THE PHANTOM GRABS HOLD of the HAND of LOST GIRL we also see an OLD WOMAN sitting by a FIRE.

So it also appears as if THE COST of BUYING the WATCH was her YOUTH???

The PHANTOM has also stolen away her YOUTH from her???

Whatever the case may be, the BEATEN UP looking character who talks to MR. K also tells him she was 40 in 1960 so that can't be NIKI.

And it isn't LOST GIRL.

And SUE BLUE also can't live in the 1930'S, the 1960's, and in the year 2005.

How is that possible???

Because the place we see LOST GIRL is in POLAND in the 1930'S.

So if she COMES from the 1930 TIME FRAME ...

then WHY would she run into SMITHY'S HOUSE at the end of IE ...

which is also full of FURNITURE, decorations, and a TRIM LINE PRINCESS PHONE from the 1960 ERA???

IT also has a METAL TRASH CAN from that TIME FRAME as well.

So WHY is a GIRL from the 1930 TIME FRAME running into a MOVIE PROP from a 1960 TIME FRAME at the END of IE???

This is what MAKES NO SENSE ...

unless she's also suppose to be the REAL LIFE WIFE of LUCAS.

But then the MOVIE CREDITS also say that's SMITHY'S SON (but not the SON of LOST GIRL).

And WHY are the girls at the WRAP UP PARTY also SINGING THE SINNER MAN SONG???

As if they're also CELEBRATING their VICTORY over having DEFEATED the ABUSIVE way the MALE CHARACTERS have been MISTREATING THEM???

And why is RITA from MD also seen GRABBING HOLD of the HAND of that other GUY who WEARS a WATCH ...

that looks like the one THE PHANTOM sold to LOST GIRL in MTTH???

Is he the SINNER MAN that ought to be PRAYING???

Because the CYCLE is about to begin again ...

only it will also be the MALES who will be ABUSED by the FEMALES this time???

[–] Erniesam 10 years ago

Ah yes, we have very different readings indeed. As long as you stick with your approach you will keep running into troubles. As you take everything literally and see different stories in the movie than there will be certain things that just will not fit. I know you disagree with this, but that's all right. As long as one can enjoy the movie, right?

I agree with you that the unpaid bill is the rent. But this "rent" you seem to take literally, while I interpret it as being a metaphor for borrowing the role of this lost girl.

You seem to bring the different time elements as an argument against the notion that the girl we see at the end as being the lost girl from Poland in the 30-ies. In general you give this argument as proof of my invalid approach. At least, that's how I understand it. Well, that's the whole point: these different time elements fit perfectly when you see it as the evolution within the mind of the protagonist. This different time elements are not to be taken literally (as it were different people), but to depict the evolution and transformation of the characters themselves. The fact that Smithy's house seem to hold architecture and stylistic elements from the 60-ies, doesn't mean they actually are. I believe it is to show the chronological order of events in the mind of the protagonist. That's not to say a strict chronology, but to determine which elements folow which loosely.

So, a girl from the 30-ies doesn't mean that girl is literally from that period. It's just to show the progression of that character, which represents an element of the complete progression within the mind of the protagonist.
Devon / Billy / Piotrek / Lucas are essentially the same person (as object), but their identity and subsequent attachments change. Just as the lost girl / wife of Phantom / hooker / wife of Moustache Man / wife of Lucas is the same person.

The girls aren't celebrating at the end for themselves. It's the woman in trouble / the protagonist who imagines them to be (that is Dern sitting on the couch). Instead of seeing prostitutes and violent clients around her, she now sees happy people or indeed a family.

We see Laura Harring at the end of the movie. As you mentioned it is the Phantom who grabbed the hand of the Polish girl and says he will sell her his watch and he watch over her (meaning drug addiction: selling nice words and get her to depend on you). In this last scene we see Laura Harring grabbing the hand of a guy next to her, with the same watch. So, this guy isn't trying to sell her the watch. It is Laura who grabs his hand, meaning that she is now in control. The roles have been reversed and Dern is now "on top" of her own situation.

[–] xxpo 10 years ago

What you fail to see is how this is a STORY about the MIND of an ACTRESS getting TRAPPED into thinking she's the CHARACTER she plays in the story.

So when DERN gets TRAPPED INSIDE of SMITHY'S 60's WORLD that also means LOST GIRL from the 60'S WORLD gets TRAPPED inside of the 30's WORLD.

So WHO'S LIFE is LOST GIRL OBSERVING when she's TRAPPED THERE???

If NIKI OBSERVES the WORLD of LOST GIRL ...

what WORLD is it LOST GIRL observes when she plays the ROLE of SUE BLUE???

SEE what I mean???

LOST GIRL is also TRAPPED in some other different time frame where she doesn't belong just like NIKI/SUE.

BUT there's also a MODERN DAY MOVIE MONITOR and a SATELLITE DISH that SITS outside the WINDOW where she sits ...

which also means she is LOCATED in the 2000 WORLD as well.

So ...

instead of a PROGRESSION ...

what we have instead is A REGRESSION ...

BACK in TIME ...

to OTHER DIFFERENT TIMES from the PAST ...

where these GIRLS who BOTH HAVE DUAL ROLES in these 2 DIFFERENT FILM VERSIONS of the AXXON N TALE REGRESS to the point where they BECOME the characters that they portray.

This definitely IS NOT PROGRESS.

IT'S MADNESS.

Like when NORMA in SUNSET BLVD also thinks she's MAKING a MOVIE at the END of that film when SHE IS NOT.

Remember her LINE where she says:

ARE you READY for my CLOSE UP MR. DEMILLE???

SHE'S NUTS.

COMPLETELY BONKERS.

A Total break with REALITY to where she's STUCK inside of the WORLD of FILM MAKING.

And IF you can't see that, then there's probably also NOTHING else that one can do or say that's going to be able to HELP you see things differently.

And NO ONE SAID the GUY NEXT to RITA SOLD her a WATCH.

What was said is RITA is the ONE WHO SOLD HIM the WATCH.

The SAME CURSED WATCH that LOST GIRL buys from THE PHANTOM which means RITA will now be the ONE to WATCH OVER this other poor guy.

So YES the situation is INVERTED or REVERSED ...

but RITA is also THE FEMALE PHANTOM now ...

which is also why the SINNER MEN need to be PRAYING ...

just like the CLOSING SONG of the film is saying.

[–] Erniesam 10 years ago

So WHO'S LIFE is LOST GIRL OBSERVING when she's TRAPPED THERE???

If NIKI OBSERVES the WORLD of LOST GIRL ...

what WORLD is it LOST GIRL observes when she plays the ROLE of SUE BLUE???

SEE what I mean???

Lost girl is observing the Niki playing her own role, that is the role of lost girl. Niki does NOT observe the role of lost girl, that's the whole point! Niki desperately wants to suppress her memory of this lost girl and it is NIKI who has send lost girl there: she is the one who is responsible for the loss of this girl! It's only at the end that Niki / Sue discovers that what she has experienced in her fantasy is just that when she sees herself on the screen in the theater. She realises it was a fantasy and that she is the one OUTSIDE of this movie in reality. That's why she looks so surprised when she sees the lost girl through the tv.

Lost girl does not observe when she plays the role of hooker. This is just a progression toward her being in the movie where she actually belongs, except in another role. This signals the merging between Niki / Sue and the lost girl, for she is now playing the part of hooker which actually is the part of Nikki / Sue.

You see?

[–] xxpo 10 years ago

NIKI isn't REALLY playing the ROLE.

IT'S the NEW NEIGHBOR using HER MAGIC TO SHOW it to her.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

Niki or whoever she is also WATCHES LOST GIRL DANCING in the RABBIT ROOM at the END of IE.

Because we also see the RED BALL GOWN DRESS again that LOST GIRL holds up to her NAKED BODY at the start of IE.

So this time DERN WATCHES LOST GIRL performing the SUE BLUE ROLE.

That is also NOT a TV in ROOM 205.

It's a MOVIE MONITOR.

This is also the reason why LOST GIRL and DERN can SEE EACH OTHER after DERN EXITS from STAGE 4.

The reason why LOST GIRL looks surprised is because when DERN LOOKS at her through the MONITOR she also REALIZED she's INSIDE of the MOVIE LOT ...

where the BIG BAD WOLF DEVON has taken her ...

so he WON'T GET CAUGHT SCREWING HER by the SPIES of MARILYN LEVENS ...

which is also what would happen ...

IF he SCREWED her OUTSIDE of the MOVIE LOT ...

inside of a REAL HOTEL ROOM ...

instead of INSIDE of this FAKE TWIN COPY of the OLD HOTEL ROOM.

TAKE a LOOK at I TALK/YOU BORED again.

SCROLL DOWN to the

2 PICTURES of the SNOWY STREET in POLAND

.

ONE is REAL.

The other one is a FAKE TWIN COPY of it ...

just like THE WALK of FAME is also A FAKE TWIN COPY ...

just like SMITHY'S HOUSE is also a FAKE TWIN COPY ...

ALL PROPS ...

ALL ILLUSIONS.

THIS IS WHAT I SEE.

[–] Erniesam 10 years ago

The tv is not a tv but a monitor!!!

I thank you for this observation, because this makes total sense! I thought it was a tv, due to the snow we see on it early on, but it's a monitor indeed.

You see, parts of the discussion can be very helpful.

[–] xxpo 10 years ago

Ok ...

so IF this is a MOVIE MONITOR we see ...

where DERN STARES into it and SEES LOST GIRL SITTING inside of ROOM 205 where she also STARES back at DERN from the MONITOR in that ROOM ...

the ROOM which also sits INSIDE of the MOVIE LOT ...

because we also see DERN EXIT STAGE 4 after the end of her DEATH SCENE ...

and we also see STAGE 5 and STAGE 6 sitting next to it ...

then what LOST GIRL sits inside of is the FAKE TWIN COPY of the OLD HOTEL ROOM ...

or the MOVIE PROP that's been created of it ...

like they also make a FAKE TWIN COPY of SMITHY'S HOUSE ...

and a FAKE TWIN COPY of the WALK of FAME ...

and a FAKE TWIN COPY of the SNOWY STREET in POLAND ...

RIGHT???

AND that also means the scene where we see THE NEW NEIGHBOR ARRIVE at DERN'S PALACE would also be a PART of the MOVIE ...

CORRECT???

Because that's also what the MOVIE MONITOR inside of ROOM 2O5 is there for ...

to MONITOR the SCENES that they make in the MOVIE???

[–] Erniesam 10 years ago

AND that also means the scene where we see THE NEW NEIGHBOR ARRIVE at DERN'S PALACE would also be a PART of the MOVIE ...

CORRECT???

Because that's also what the MOVIE MONITOR inside of ROOM 2O5 is there for ...

to MONITOR the SCENES that they make in the MOVIE???

Concerning the first part of the quote above: I absolutely agree. I see everything we see before the camera pulls away as "part of the movie."

The monitor in room 205 is partly there to monitor the scenes in the movie. But...when the movie is done the monitor STILL records! Furthermore, we see in the theater scenes on the screen we have not seen before. It seems that this screen monitors what is going on right at that moment and even beyond.

So, this monitor in room 205 does not ONLY record the movie they are making, but it is recording the woman in trouble herself. It only ends when Niki / Sue embraces with lost girl.

[–] xxpo 10 years ago

Imo, the MOVIE is NEVER DONE ...

because what begins as the RADIO PLAY MORPHS into being a FILM VERSION and then it also KEEPS ON GOING without END ...

which also makes it the LONGEST RUNNING PLAY in HISTORY ...

because if we also assume BETTY/Diane is NIKI/Sue ...

then IE also begins even BEFORE we see the RECORD and HEAR the NARRATOR on the RECORD explain how this is the AXXON N STORY that originates in the BALTIC REGION.

So the MOVIE continues ...

and the SCENE where DERN sees herself on the MOVIE SCREEN is also where SUE learns where THE GUN has been HIDDEN ...

and we also see TIME is BACK in SYNC again ...

meaning it MOVES FORWARDS in a NORMAL WAY instead of JUMPING UP and BACK and all AROUND like when they do the LOCOMOTION ...

where they JUMP UP and then DISAPPEAR.

So with TIME working the right way again MR. K shows DERN the way up the STAIRS ...

and she goes through the AXXON N DOOR 3 TIMES ...

each time the CLOCK on the WALL that sits above the WAVY ZIG ZAGGY FLOOR PATTERN ...

like the one we see inside of the LODGE in TWIN PEAKS ...

and like the one we see in the LOBBY of ERASERHEAD where HENRY LIVES ...

which also lets us know we ENTER another different REALM ...

that CLOCK also lets us KNOW TIME is back in SYNC AGAIN when it says:

12:13

12:20

12:25

each time DERN PASSES by it as she goes through the AXXON N DOOR 3 TIMES ...

and ends up in FRONT of THE 47 DOOR where the RABBITS LIVE and SHOOTS the PHANTOM before he can GET INSIDE of it (if that's also the reason why he's there).

So then she ENTERS it BACKWARDS ...

and THE RABBITS who tell us IT WON'T BE MUCH LONGER NOW at the start of IE have also DISAPPEARED ...

and DERN SITS there WATCHING still another MONITOR ...

where she sees LOST GIRL DANCING in the RED BALL GOWN DRESS that she holds up to her NAKED BODY at the start of IE???

AND ...

we also KNOW the MOVIE MONITOR inside of ROOM 205 is connected to the RABBIT ROOM or to ROOM 47 ...

because we also SAW LOST GIRL WATCHING the RABBITS in it ...

before we see THE NEW NEIGHBOR ARRIVE ...

AND ...

after we see the BEATEN UP DERN with the SPIDER BITE on her NECK WALKING BACKWARDS into ROOM 47 ...

like she ALSO WALKS BACKWARDS inside of SMITHY'S FRONT YARD ...

then we also see NIKI turning her head inside of the PALACE ...

to LOOK OVER across the ROOM where she sees THE GHOST of LOVE wearing that PALE BLUE 60'S DRESS ...

before we also find that character at the CAST or the WRAP UP PARTY.

And we also KNOW any PHONE CALL made from SMITHY'S HOUSE also ends up inside of ROOM 47 as well ...

due to the way JACK RABBIT PICKS up the PHONE and hears DERN SAY:

BILLY ...

which is also the reason why LUCAS BEATS her UP ...

because he's also caught her making that PHONE CALL to BILLY.

NOTE the way she also wears THE SAME ORANGE or PEACH COLORED NIGHT GOWN in that scene ...

which also CONTRADICTS what the other DERN tells MR. K about her coming home to find him waiting for her with a CROW BAR.

Also NOTE the way we don't see a CROW BAR in that scene or a SHATTERED DOOR either.

So does she LIE as a way to try to claim SELF DEFENSE because she also thinks NO ONE will believe that she OVER POWERS him when she KILLS HIM in that SCENE???

When BILLY ARRIVES and she tells him to:

LOOK IN THE OTHER ROOM ...

maybe it's also the DEAD BODY of LUCAS that's in there???

Anyhow, we also see THAT ONE LEG GIRL and the other girl who wears THE BLOND WIG with the MONKEY on her BACK appear inside of the PALACE before we see the GHOST of LOVE sitting there ...

so those 2 CHARACTERS also seem to INDICATE the AXXON N STORY will CONTINUE ...

with the ONE LEG GIRL living in the PALACE where NIKI use to live???

So BETTY/Diane who MORPHS into NIKI/Sue has also MORPHED AGAIN ...

and RITA/Camilla (who didn't KNOW WHO SHE WAS in MD) who MORPHS into being LOST GIRL (WHO DOESN'T KNOW WHERE she is in IE)

because that's also what she says at the TABLE where the 3 OLD RABBIT MEN SIT ...

also MORPHS into being still another different character again???

And maybe Betty and RITA are also about to begin the NEXT VERSION of the NEVER ENDING AXXON N TALE all over again as the ONE LEG GIRL and other girl who wears THE BLOND WIG like RITA does in MD???

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[–] xxpo 10 years ago

FRAGILE sung by Sting on a SPANISH GUITAR:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB6a-iD6ZOY&feature=player_embedded
in Berlin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0sQcC4Duc0&feature=player_embedded

STEVIE on HARMONICA and Sting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi5FC2Mf-Bo

Lyrics:

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/sting/fragile.html

If blood will flow when flesh and steel are one
Drying in the colour of the evening sun
Tomorrow's rain will wash the stains away
But something in our minds will always stay
Perhaps this final act was meant
To clinch a lifetime's argument
That nothing comes from violence and nothing ever could
For all those born beneath an angry star
Lest we forget how fragile we are

On and on the rain will fall
Like tears from a star like tears from a star
On and on the rain will say
How fragile we are how fragile we are

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[–] xxpo 10 years ago

Who is also SEEN IN HIS DIAPER in DUNE ...

still another NON LYNCH LYNCH FILM ...

made by someone name SMITHEE???

[–] Erniesam 10 years ago

I've read your long comment above and if that's the way you see it, fine. You made some interesting connections though, which I will try to fit in my own view.

and ends up in FRONT of THE 47 DOOR where the RABBITS LIVE and SHOOTS the PHANTOM before he can GET INSIDE of it (if that's also the reason why he's there).

As I understand it, the reason why the Phantom is there is SPECIFICALLY to confront Sue. In fact Sue has gone up KNOWING the Phantom would be there. Well, not exactly the Phantom perse, but she knows there is something evil there. That to me seems the whole point of that scene, while the "liberation" of the lost girl is the intended consequence of that.

[–] xxpo 10 years ago

IF confronting SUE is his mission then WHY didn't he SAY ANYTHING to her when he comes from BEHIND the TREE with the LIGHT BULB in his mouth???

WHY wait until the END of IE to confront her ...

which is also the BEGINNING of it for the RABBITS who TURN their HEADS to look at the FRONT DOOR ...

the same way as we see DERN TURN HER HEAD to look over across the ROOM at the END of IE where she sees the GHOST of LOVE in the PALE BLUE DRESS.

Someone else suggest he wants access to the RABBIT ROOM because it's the SOURCE of the STORY and may also be where one can CONTROL THINGS that happen in the STORY.

So THE PHANTOM may also want TO GET INSIDE THE RABBIT ROOM for that reason???

[–] Erniesam 10 years ago

This is what I mean. When you approach it with the one mind theory, this confrontation makes perfect sense. In this theory the confrontation between the Phantom and Sue / WIT is the ESSENCE of the movie. The whole movie / fantasy is a way towards this confrontation.

The Phantom is looking for her and after Sue has layed down her robe she's looking for the Phantom (although she doesn't know what or who to expect, but she knows there is a confrontation to overcome). The Phantom has got nothing to do with the rabbit room, for this is just a fantasy of Sue. He is there because in order for Sue to give up her fantasy she must go through the rabbit room and free the lost girl. The Phantom doesn't want her to free lost girl, because he wants Sue to belong to him (stay addicted): once Sue frees lost girl she has made progress, because she has given up her fantasy. So, the Phantom is waiting there for her.

Of course I know you don't believe in the one mind theory so think of it what you will. This confrontation as I see it is the essence of the movie.

[–] xxpo 10 years ago

] this is just a fantasy of Sue ...

to give up her fantasy she must go through the rabbit room

Since DERN ENTERS the RABBIT ROOM or ROOM 47 AFTER (Not before) her encounter with LOST GIRL inside of ROOM 205 ...

what you say is BACKWARDS and MAKES NO SENSE.

AND ...

when one STICKS with what one SEES and HEARS happening in IE ...

or STICKS with the DIALOGUE LYNCH has WRITTEN in HIS SCRIPT ...

the ONE MIND INTERPRETATION that you SEE MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVER.

When ASKED in an INTERVIEW if it's correct to INTERPRET MD or IE as being DREAMS ...

LYNCH also says:

NO

He also gives you CLUES ...

the FIRST ONE also deals with the OPENING SCENE in MD ...

which is the SAME as the OPENING SCENE in IE ...

BOTH UNREALISTIC SCENES ...

BOTH SCENES that REVEAL how what we WATCH is a MOVIE ...

because the people who DANCE also have SHADOWS that DON'T MATCH what we see them doing when they DANCE.

AND ...

LYNCH also tells us BOTH FILMS are:

ABOUT THE FILM INDUSTRY

NOT about the INSIDE of SOMEONE'S MIND ...

which is also CONFIRMED by the SCENE where THE MOB MAN who TAKES OVER ADAM'S FILM SPITS OUT THE COFFEE ...

(the SAME WAY as KINGSLEY ALSO REFUSES to accept some COFFEE from ADAM (as DEVON/BILLY in IE)...

which is also a CONTINUATION of MD ...

at least IMO it is ...

due to the way we also see STAGE 4 in MD ...

when BETTY/SUE goes for her AUDITION with ADAM ...

where he also says:

THIS is the GIRL.

So whereas for you that SCENE is some kind of a FANTASY ...

for me it is REAL ...

except for the PART of it where they PLAY BACK THE Tape ...

because we also hear ADAM (aka: DEVON/BILLY in IE) SAY PLAY BACK ...

before the ALREADY DEAD GIRL that BETTY KILLS sings:

THE
EVERY LITTLE STAR SONG.

AND ...

IF the RABBIT ROOM is A FANTASY ...

then HOW CAN LOST GIRL SEE IT on the MOVIE MONITOR ...

that SITS there inside of ROOM 205 ...

WHERE she SITS and CRIES ...

because THE BIG BAD WOLF in this FOLK TALE has also SEDUCED her as well???

Which also means LOST GIRL could already be PREGNANT by DEVON/BILLY when she RUNS back into the FAKE TWIN COPY of SMITHY'S HOUSE at the END of IE ...

thus meaning the NEVER ENDING AXXON N STORY is also about to BEGIN AGAIN ...

which is also the REASON why we see DERN watching LOST GIRL DANCING in that RED BALL GOWN DRESS ...

the same one that we see her holding up to her NAKED BODY when IE BEGINS.

[–] Erniesam 10 years ago

You surprise me XXPO. Usually you display such an expertise knowledge on this movie, yet you don't know or have forgotten the right order of events when it comes to the end? Sue enters the rabbit room first before she frees lost girl. You see they have switched roles and are both on the opposite side of each other from this rabbit room that is the actual movie. Just like they are on opposite sides of the monitor.

IF the RABBIT ROOM is A FANTASY ...

then HOW CAN LOST GIRL SEE IT on the MOVIE MONITOR ...

Do we actually know she sees the rabbit sitcom? I dont believe there is any proof that she does.

[–] xxpo 10 years ago

xxpo gets confused like anyone else.

Remember how the NEW NEIGHBOR WARNS US we won't REMEMBER what she's said???

Remember how I also thought there were 2 DIFFERENT LOST GIRLS ... due to the way the 2K SPOTLIGHT makes her clothes look LAVENDER COLORED inside of ROOM 205 ... when the top she wears in SMITHY'S HOUSE is really GREEN???

And her skirt is also a DARK Brown color but looks like another different color under the SPOTLIGHT.

AS for the SPOTLIGHT ...

WHY would someone's MIND need to use one???

WHY is this MIND using a MOVIE DEVICE and also watching the SCENE with BUCKY J and KINGSLEY where BUCKY J can't get the SPOTLIGHT in the RIGHT PLACE???

You also forget about how TIME is all MIXED UP to where it isn't in CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER anymore once she enters that AXXON N DOOR.

At the start of IE the RABBITS also say IT WON'T BE MUCH LONGER NOW ...

TURN their HEADS to look at the DOOR ...

(like DERN also TURNS her head to look over across the room at the other couch at the END of IE) ...

and in WALKS DERN BACKWARDS into the RABBIT ROOM ...

as if TIME REWINDS ITSELF ...

like we also see the WATCH running BACKWARDS in the scene where she BURNS the HOLE into the SILK.

In the BLUE BEDROOM SCENE she also tells BILLY about the SCENE she did YESTERDAY (where she sees THE WRITING on the DOOR) but she KNOWS it's TOMORROW.

NOTE the way DERN also wears the CLOTHING the BEAT UP WOMAN wears when she places the bag of GROCERIES into the MODERN DAY PORSCHE.

In other words, into DEVON'S CAR ...

same kind of car ADAM also drives in MD ...

but she's also TALKING to BILLY in this scene and telling him it's HIS CAR which can't be when he comes from the 60's WORLD.

So when DERN ENTERS the RABBIT ROOM BACKWARDS that's probably TIME REWINDING itself and placing her BACK where she belongs again.

NOTE the way the OLD COUPLE (like we also have one in MD) also call her a HALF.

HALF HUMAN/HALF RABBIT.

So YES maybe she SWITCHES PLACES with LOST GIRL ...

who then PROCEEDS to play the PART of SUE BLUE inside of SMITHY'S HOUSE ...

as DERN SITS there WATCHING her in the RABBIT ROOM.

ANYWAY when IE first begins YES we also see the RABBITS inside of the RABBIT ROOM on the MONITOR inside of ROOM 205.

Then the scene changes and we see THE NEW NEIGHBOR HOPPING as she MORPHS from her RABBIT FORM into her HUMAN FORM as she journeys over to see DERN at the PALACE.

AND we also see DERN MORPHING into her HUMAN Form as she comes from the BALLROOM that is located at BACK part of it.

But we also see her arriving through the 3 WINDOWS on the WALL of the OTHER ROOM that looks out into the BALLROOM.

But since one also doesn't expect to see 3 WINDOWS looking into another ROOM of the house one also assumes the WINDOWS are 3 big MIRRORS on the WALL ...

thus also giving us still another INTERESTING OPTICAL ILLUSION when we first MEET NIKI meeting the NEW NEIGHBOR.

I think this PALACE is also suppose to be the place where LYNCH went to FILM SCHOOL.

[–] Erniesam 10 years ago

You are correct. Lost girl DOES see the rabbit sitcom on the monitor. That slipped my mind.

At the start of IE the RABBITS also say IT WON'T BE MUCH LONGER NOW ...

TURN their HEADS to look at the DOOR ...

(like DERN also TURNS her head to look over across the room at the other couch at the END of IE) ...

and in WALKS DERN BACKWARDS into the RABBIT ROOM ...

as if TIME REWINDS ITSELF ...

I actually do agree with you on this. Dern walks backwards as if time rewinds itself which I think it literally does.

Indeed, the rabbits look at the door saying: "It won't be much longer now." I intrpret this as that they expect Dern to come through that door. As we see just after Dern is confronted with the Phantom, a beam of light shines through the door into the dark rabbit room. We also see as Dern comes into this room that the hallway is now brightly lit after the confrontation. It is as if the darkness of the hall has moved into the rabbit room, while when Dern steps in this room is lighted up again.

[–] xxpo 10 years ago

PLUS we also see her WALKING BACKWARDS in the FRONT YARD of SMITHY'S HOUSE ...

after she gets TRAPPED INSIDE of it ...

because the FRONT DOOR WON'T OPEN ...

and she yells BILLY at the WINDOW ...

before the SCENE MORPHS from being the INSIDE of STAGE 4 ...

to being the FRONT YARD.

So WHY would she be WALKING BACKWARDS in that scene???

[–] Erniesam 10 years ago

I guess that is also to indicate that we as Niki / Sue are walking backwards in time. After she has walked backwards we never see stage 4 again (except when the shooting is over).

[–] xxpo 10 years ago

But SMITHY'S HOUSE where MOST of the rest of the FILM takes place ...

AFTER she ENTERS the AXXON N DOOR in the BACK ALLEY of STAGE 4 ...

is also LOCATED INSIDE of STAGE 4.

REMEMBER how she TURNS around to look at SMITHY'S HOUSE before KINGSLEY SHOWS UP with FREDDY???

There's this really LONG PROP that sits behind her ...

that says PROP 10 on it ...

but that's also NOT SMITHY'S HOUSE we see ...

because it also takes up almost the ENTIRE LENGTH or WIDTH of the STAGE ...

which also means PROP 10 has to be THE SNOWY STREET in POLAND.

And we also see another PROP with the NUMBER 7 on it as FREDDY SITS there telling them about how he USE TO RAISE RABBBITS ...

before he asks them for some RENT MONEY.

Anyhow, when DEVON BLOCKS it OUT ...

or WALKS to the PART of the STAGE where he SAYS his LINES in the MOVIE SCRIPT ...

he also GOES ALL the way to the BACK PART of the STAGE ...

and PROP 10 also sits right behind the REHEARSAL TABLE ...

and not all the way in the BACK of it where DEVON/BILLY GOES.

So ...

when we spend TIME in SMITHY'S HOUSE ...

we are also still located INSIDE of STAGE 4 ...

and/or inside of the MOVIE LOT.

RIGHT???

[–] Erniesam 10 years ago

Alot of interesting observations you make there. Haven't figured them out, but one observation seems as clear as a daisy to me.

And we also see another PROP with the NUMBER 7 on it as FREDDY SITS there telling them about how he USE TO RAISE RABBBITS ...

This scene takes place on Stage 4 and the prop we see states number 7. So, this must be a reference to the rabbit room, while Freddy is talking about raising rabbits.

[–] xxpo 10 years ago

In the LYNCH DOCUMENTARY ...

we also see LYNCH and his HELPERS BUILDING the HALLWAY to the RABBIT ROOM where DERN SHOOTS THE PHANTOM.

So ...

THE RABBIT ROOM was also FILMED at THE COMPOUND where LYNCH LIVES ...

which is also the reason why he had COMPLAINTS from his NEIGHBORS ...

about the NOISE ...

and the BRIGHT LIGHTS ...

which is probably also still another REASON why he can't MAKE MORE MOVIES ...

due to the WAY he needs MORE FUNDING ...

in order to keep his NEW NEIGHBORS HAPPY ...

and from CALLING the COPS on him ...

when he tires to MAKE A FILM at the STUDIO he created at his COMPOUND ...

probably also before HE HAD NEW NEIGHBORS living there next to him.

PLUS he's also no longer married to the OTHER WOMAN any more ...

the one who helped him EDIT his FILMS for 10 YEARS ...

before he married the GIRL he's married to now ...

who is also LANI from IE ...

which also MEANS he needs still MORE FUNDING now to pay for someone to EDIT his films.

SO ...

this could also be still more REASONS WHY LYNCH would KNOW the WRAP UP SCENE in IE might be his SWAN SONG ...

or that IE could be the LAST FEATURE LENGTH FILM that he'd ever make.

ANYHOW ...

the RABBIT ROOM isn't LOCATED INSIDE of STAGE 4.

Because it's located at THE COMPOUND where LYNCH LIVES ...

which is also LOCATED NEAR MULHOLLAND DRIVE...

at the EDGE of a CLIFF ...

where things probably also tend to ECHO a LOT ...

like the way THE DIALOGUE from the MOVIE SCRIPT does ...

INSIDE of this OLD STORY.

[–] Erniesam 10 years ago

Your reasons for Lynch wanting to quit feature films are very speculative indeed. I know you are trying to make sense of the ending in your approach, but you haven't convinced me yet.

Of course the rabbit room is not on Stage 4, but the numbers 4 and 7 make up...47. The number of the rabbit room. That was what I was reffering to.

[–] xxpo 10 years ago

We don't see a PROP NUMBER 4.

We keep seeing THE BACK PARTS of PROPS 7 and PROP 10 ...

(which is also the PAINTING of SNOWY STREET in POLAND ...

which one can also see ...

sitting SIDE by SIDE ...

in the 2 PHOTOS ...

ONE of the REAL STREET ...

at the I TALK/YOU BORED link).

In the YOU TUBE topic THERE'S also another link ...

that has a link to a VIDEO ...

where you can see the OUTSIDE of a part of SMITHY'S HOUSE in the BACKGROUND ...

which is also LOCATED AT THE COMPOUND where LYNCH LIVES near MULHOLLAND DRIVE.

Did you also know the FRONT part of his HOME was FILMED in LOST HIGHWAY???

But since then he's also REMODLED the place to where it looks more like the OVER PASS of a FREEWAY???

ANYHOW ...

CHECK out the other link in the YOU TUBE topic.

Because xxpo was probably also WRONG about SMITHY'S HOUSE being PROJECTED onto a SCREEN behind LANI ...

who sits there in the LAWN CHAIR???

You also see CLIPS of DERN sitting OUTSIDE in the RAIN ...

after the SCENE where she KILLS KIDDO.

[–] Erniesam 10 years ago

(which is also the PAINTING of SNOWY STREET in POLAND ...

What do you mean by that?

[–] xxpo 10 years ago

At the I TALK/YOU BORED link ...

you can see the PAINTING of SNOWY STREET in POLAND ...

which is sitting SIDE by SIDE the OTHER PHOTO ...

which is also the REAL STREET in POLAND.

So go look at the 2 PHOTOS ...

ONE of the REAL STREET ...

one of PROP NUMBER 10 ...

which is THE PAINTING ...

a FAKE TWIN COPY of it ...

just like we have a FAKE TWIN COPY of the WALK of FAME ...

another PAINTING we see after the END of DERN'S DEATH Scene ...

and we also have a FAKE TWIN COPY of SMITHY'S HOUSE ...

and a FAKE TWIN COPY of the OLD HOTEL ROOM ...

or ROOM 205.

And there's also the FAKE TWIN COPY of DERN that keeps giving her the CLOWN GRIN ...

like when she's on the WALK of FAME ...

and sees it ACROSS the STREET where it makes that EVIL LOOKING SMILEY FACE at her.

[–] Erniesam 10 years ago

I'm sorry, I cannot see two pictures of the snowy street in Poland.

This is the site I have checked: http://italkyoubored.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/david-lynchs-inland-empire-an-attempt-at-a-roadmap/

[–] xxpo 10 years ago

AS you SCROLL DOWN

WAY DOWN ...

COUNT the PICTURES ...

and when you get to PICTURES NUMBER 47 and NUMBER 48 ...

which come right AFTER you see the PICTURE of the GUN ...

this is the

2 PICTURES of the SNOWY STREET in POLAND

...

ONE is a FAKE TWIN COPY ...

A PAINTING of the OTHER ONE ...

which is a REAL PHOTO of the REAL STREET in POLAND.

Don't forget about how LYNCH also began his career as a PAINTER.

So he must also be a DAMN GOOD ONE to be able to make a TWIN COPY that is that GOOD ...

ALMOST so good one can't tell the difference ...

UNLESS one LOOKS VERY CLOSELY at it.

[–] Erniesam 10 years ago

Which one according to you is the "fake twin copy"?

[–] xxpo 10 years ago

PICTURE NUMBER 47 looks like the one that is a PAINTING.

The other PHOTO that sits below it LOOKS REAL. It's a STONE BUILDING. The top FLOOR of it is also the SAME COLOR as the BOTTOM part of it.

But in PHOTO # 47 THE FLOOR on top is also a DARKER LOOKING MAROON COLOR with the FLOOR DOWN BELOW it looking like a WHITE COLOR.

So in the REAL PHOTO both FLOORS look the SAME COLOR.

But In the PAINTING they are 2 DIFFERENT LOOKING COLORS.

PLUS we also see THE SNOWY STREET in POLAND sitting OUTSIDE of the WINDOW when DERN CLIMBS the STAIRS which are INSIDE of the BAR in LA.

So wouldn't LYNCH also need a PAINTING of the SNOWY STREET to have made that scene???

Here's still another question for you:

WAS DERN ever REALLY there in POLAND???

Or when she goes through the WINDOW in SMITHY'S HOUSE is that also the PAINTING or PROP 10 or the FAKE TWIN COPY of the SNOWY STREET in POLAND that we see in that SCENE???

SNOWY STREET scene where we first see Dern's hands open to reveal it to us at the 28 SECOND TIME MARK:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtzSSG8X9e0

And IF she ever was REALLY there in POLAND, then HOW DO WE KNOW THIS???

[–] Erniesam 10 years ago

Nope, Dern never realy was in Poland.

[–] xxpo 10 years ago

Yes she was because the LYNCH DOCUMENTARY also shows us she is REALLY THERE ...

PLUS the scene where she OPENS her HANDS and we see her there is also REALLY REAL.

Look at the BUILDING behind her and you see it's NOT PROP 10 or the PAINTING.

She's REALLY there on location ...

just like she's also REALLY there on location in some of the other SCENES that she makes ON the WALK of FAME.

[–] Erniesam 10 years ago

The film is partially shot in Poland, yes, but Niki or Sue never realy are in Poland.

[–] xxpo 10 years ago

Then WHY do we also have SEVERAL SCENES in MORE THINGS THAT HAPPENED where we also SEE DERN WALKING AROUND in POLAND ...

AFTER we see her USING the SAME AXXON N DOOR ...

that we also see LUCAS use inside of SMITHY'S HOUSE ...

the SAME AXXON N DOOR that we also see DERN USING 3 TIMES ...

when we also see the CLOCK on the WALL ...

and the WAVY ZIG ZAGGY FLOOR PATTER sitting UNDER IT ...

the same pattern we see in ERASERHEAD ...

and INSIDE of THE LODGE in TWIN PEAKS???

LOOKS like the CARNIE'S or the CIRCUS CROWD who shows up for the HOT DOG PARTY in the BACK YARD of SMITHY'S HOUSE may have also USED the SAME AXXON N DOOR as a way to get there inside of LA???

IT'S 3 O CLOCK ...

You are RIGHT on TIME.

COME IN COME IN ...

HAVE A HOT DOG.

Who are those people?

760
01:43:50,184 --> 01:43:52,261
Hey, hello!

761
01:43:53,520 --> 01:43:54,563
Good to see you.

762
01:43:55,606 --> 01:43:57,066
Come in, come in.

763
01:43:57,066 --> 01:43:59,979
[blue]Get some hot-dog.[/blue]

764
01:44:03,114 --> 01:44:05,825
You said 3 o'clock.

765
01:44:06,659 --> 01:44:08,641
Yes, that's right.

766
01:44:09,579 --> 01:44:11,029
You're right on time.

767
01:44:13,750 --> 01:44:15,940
The situation is becoming serious

768
01:44:22,300 --> 01:44:23,134
Give me my hammer.

769
01:44:23,238 --> 01:44:24,803
Give me that!

770
01:44:25,533 --> 01:44:27,400
Give me now.

771
01:44:33,353 --> 01:44:36,474
Did you see?

WHEN IT's 3 O'CLOCK in LA it's also AFTER MIDNIGHT in POLAND.

[–] Erniesam 10 years ago

Well, it is you who has to figure out if Dern is realy in Poland or not and if so how and why.

I do not have to do that, because I have the one mind theory.

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[–] xxpo 10 years ago

An interpretation that claims EVERYTHING we see in IE is suppose to come from ONE MIND doesn't enable you to IGNORE EVERYTHING else that we see and hear in IE ...

or IGNORE that FACT that KINGSLEY also tells DEVON they will BLOCK IT OUT as BEST as POSSIBLE ...

meaning DEVON WALKS to the PART of the STAGE where the SCRIPT calls for him to be ...

which is all the way in the BACK of the STAGE where SMITHY'S HOUSE is located ...

which also means the ONE MIND idea is DEAD WRONG ...

and LYNCH is also RIGHT ...

when he told us that both MD and IE are FILMS that he's made ...

ABOUT THE FILM INDUSTRY.

And the NEW NEIGHBOR also tells us its a story about BOTH

a LITTLE BOY ...

and a LITTLE GIRL ...

once again confirming for us how this is a STORY that involves several characters and MANY MINDS.

TIME after TIME you've also been given scene after scene, and you were also given lots of DIALOGUE as EVIDENCE that PROVES this is a STORY that involves MANY MINDS.

You've also been ASKED about

THE WOMAN in WHITE

and about DORIS SIDE, but then said you had NO ANSWER, and needed to think about that matter some more.

But instead of doing so, and taking into consideration how DORIS is still ANOTHER DIFFERENT MIND that we encounter in the story, you chose to IGNORE her presence in it, because her being there offers us still MORE PROOF that your interpretation MAKES NO SENSE.

THE BOTTOM LINE is this:

you've been given LOTS of PROOF that what you say is NOT SO ...

and you also haven't presented us with any PROOF that what you say is so.

So the only LOGICAL and RATIONAL thing to conclude at this point is your interpretation is WRONG.

[–] Erniesam 10 years ago

meaning DEVON WALKS to the PART of the STAGE where the SCRIPT calls for him to be ...

which is all the way in the BACK of the STAGE where SMITHY'S HOUSE is located ...

which also means the ONE MIND idea is DEAD WRONG ...

So how did you get to this deduction from the above two sentences?

and LYNCH is also RIGHT ...

when he told us that both MD and IE are FILMS that he's made ...

ABOUT THE FILM INDUSTRY.

I absolutely agree with this: MD and IE are explicitly about Hollywood.

And the NEW NEIGHBOR also tells us its a story about BOTH

a LITTLE BOY ...

and a LITTLE GIRL ...

once again confirming for us how this is a STORY that involves several characters and MANY MINDS.

Once again, this deduction isn't a logical assumption from the preceding text.

TIME after TIME you've also been given scene after scene, and you were also given lots of DIALOGUE as EVIDENCE that PROVES this is a STORY that involves MANY MINDS.

Dialogue which needs interpretation isn't evidence let alone proof. There can only be a logical assumption derived from it. "A story that involves many minds" is a phrase that first must be given a proper context. The statement that the movie takes place in one mind doesn't counter that phrase. These "different minds" also can exist in one mind.

But instead of doing so, and taking into consideration how DORIS is still ANOTHER DIFFERENT MIND that we encounter in the story, you chose to IGNORE her presence in it, because her being there offers us still MORE PROOF that your interpretation MAKES NO SENSE.

"Doris is still another different mind.." I agree with that: Doris indeed represents still another different "mind" within the mind of one person. That's right. I certainly do not ignore her presence at all, just like I take every other "mind" into consideration. That her presence offers "proof" that my interpretation doesn't make sense is yet again a poorly arrived at conclusion. I do not ignore her presence and yet you give this as proof of my being wrong. The fact that I do not yet have a satisfactory answer to the precise role of Doris Side in the whole doesn't mean I ignore her, does it?

you've been given LOTS of PROOF that what you say is NOT SO ...

and you also haven't presented us with any PROOF that what you say is so.

So the only LOGICAL and RATIONAL thing to conclude at this point is your interpretation is WRONG.

What can be considered as "proof"? You seem to think you have "proved" your approach and that I haven't "proved" mine. I am of the opinion that you have indeed put many, many things forward, but many of it realy doesn't make any sense to me as backing up an approach is concerned. You connect many, many things and state this as "proof" but what you do not have is an overall approach like your interpretation of the visit of the neighbor and the confrontation with the Phantom and the embrace between Niki and Lost Girl indicate. As long as you do not have an overarching theory, your connections between symbols, personaes and scenes will never back your case I'm afraid. Still, if you are satisfied with your approach of the movie I'm happy for you. In the mean time I'll keep thinking about the movie in my own pace. If you think I'm dead wrong, so be it. I do not mind that. It doesn't help you reminding me all the time, does it? I mean can't we just talk about the moviewithout accusing one another of being wrong?

Anyway, I admit I'm being stubborn in my thinking just as you are in yours.

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[–] xxpo 10 years ago

Kingsley says they REHEARSE for the WIDOW SCENE that is IN THE MOVIE SCRIPT.

If the WINDOW scene is IN THE MOVIE SCRIPT then it is also NOT something that is INSIDE the MIND.

IT'S REAL or something we are also suppose to assume is REAL.

Because IE is a story about an actress (Niki) who also thinks she becomes the girl (SUE) in the part that she plays.

So this isn't ONE MIND but 2 MINDS.

And we also have the LITTLE BOY who is also STUCK inside of THE CHARACTER he plays ...

which is also the reason why he keeps DOING REMAKES (OFF SCREEN with all of these other WOMEN he seduces).

All you've been given is some OBSERVATIONS (not an APPROACH).

SINCE NIKI gets STUCK INSIDE the 60's WORLD

AND LOST GIRL from the 60 WORLD gets STUCK INSIDE of the 30'S WORLD

which means the NEW GIRL who takes the part gets stuck inside the WORLD of the last girl who had it before her ...

WHO IS SHE ???

THIS OTHER WOMAN who's 30 WORLD we see LOST GIRL STUCK INSIDE OF???

Is she
THE WOMAN in WHITE???

Is LOST GIRL STUCK there inside of HER WORLD???

THE 3 MAIN REVELATIONS may not be an OVER ALL THEORY ...

but they are also a much better way to help one UNDERSTAND what we see happening in IE than the way that you chose to see it:

We have 3 MAIN REVELATIONS in IE:

1. DERN'S

2. OUR'S

3. LOST GIRL'S

1. DERN'S REVELATION is she's been having SEX with the SAME GUY as all of the rest of the girls have been screwing. Because Why else do they all know about that little thing that he does?

2. OUR REVELATION comes after DERN'S DEATH SCENE ... where we discover WE'VE also been LOST like LOST GIRL ... by thinking we were really located on the WALK of FAME ... when we were REALLY INSIDE of THE FAKE TWIN COPY of the WOF ... which is located inside of STAGE 4.

3. LOST GIRL's REVELATION is the same as DERN'S and OUR'S:

She realizes she's also been having SEX with the same BIG BAD WOLF character as DERN (aka: DEVON/BILLY)

(and that he's also SEDUCED all of the rest of the other girls) ...

and that he's also taken her to the FAKE TWIN COPY of the HOTEL ROOM ...

THE FAKE COPY which is also located inside of the MOVIE LOT...

because THE WOLF also knows if he took LOST GIRL to a REAL HOTEL ROOM located OUTSIDE of the MOVIE LOT ...

then the SPIES of MARILYN LEVENS ...

the CELEBRITY SHOW HOST ...

would also CATCH him at his PREDATORY behavior ...

and REPORT it to the rest of the WORLD ...

which would also PREVENT the BIG BAD WOLF in this AXXON N TALE from being able to SEDUCE other PREY ...

other Potential Victims who would then be able to see the reason WHY he's a PREDATORY WOLF who WEARS the CLOTHING of a SHEEP ...

which is also the reason why we're told about how the ORIGINAL STORY (THE RABBITS Version of the story) is based upon a POLISH GYPSY FOLK TALE.

So the 2 FILM VERSIONS of the story are also FAIRY TALES as well which is also why you keep hearing the reference to it being MIDNIGHT ...

which is the time when the MAGIC WEARS off ... and Cinderella's BALL GOWN goes back to being RAGS again ... and THE COACH turns back into being a PUMPKIN again ... and the Horses turn back into being MICE again ...

and the 3 OLD POLISH MEN that we see in IE (who give the other character the GUN that shoots the PHANTOM) also turn back into being RABBITS again.

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PS: Did you also note the CINDERELLA COACH that drives by on the SNOWY STREET
in POLAND ...

and how it is also pulled by the 2 HORSES with the PLUMES on top of their head???

AFTER MIDNIGHT it probably turns back into a

PUMPKIN AGAIN

...

the same way as NIKI the PAMPERED PRINCESS also seems to TURN back into CINDERELLA AGAIN ...

when we see her WALKING there on the WALK of FAME in her RAGS???

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[–] xxpo 10 years ago

Kingsley says they REHEARSE for the WIDOW SCENE that is IN THE MOVIE SCRIPT.

If the WINDOW scene is IN THE MOVIE SCRIPT then it is also NOT something that is INSIDE the MIND.

IT'S REAL or something we are also suppose to assume is REAL.

Because IE is a story about an actress (Niki) who also thinks she becomes the girl (SUE) in the part that she plays.

So this isn't ONE MIND but 2 MINDS.

And we also have the LITTLE BOY who is also STUCK inside of THE CHARACTER he plays ...

which is also the reason why he keeps DOING REMAKES (OFF SCREEN with all of these other WOMEN he seduces).

And we also have the BLUE BEDROOM SCENE where DEVON is STUCK in CHARACTER and thinks he's BILLY.

[–] xxpo 10 years ago

Kingsley says they REHEARSE for the WIDOW SCENE that is IN THE MOVIE SCRIPT.

If the WINDOW scene is IN THE MOVIE SCRIPT then it is also NOT something that is INSIDE the MIND.

IT'S REAL or something we are also suppose to assume is REAL.

Because IE is a story about an actress (Niki) who also thinks she becomes the girl (SUE) in the part that she plays.

So this isn't ONE MIND but 2 MINDS.

And we also have the LITTLE BOY who is also STUCK inside of THE CHARACTER he plays ...

which is also the reason why he keeps DOING REMAKES (OFF SCREEN with all of these other WOMEN he seduces).

And we also have the BLUE BEDROOM SCENE where DEVON is STUCK in CHARACTER and thinks he's BILLY.

BUT ...

we also NEVER see BILLY or DEVON using an
AXXON N
DOOR the same way as we see LUCAS or SMITHY using one inside of SMITHY'S HOUSE ???

[–] 10 years ago

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[–] xxpo 9 years ago

BUT ...

we also NEVER see BILLY or DEVON using an

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AXXON N
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DOOR the same way as we see LUCAS or SMITHY using one inside of SMITHY'S HOUSE ???

Why do you think we NEVER see DEVON/BILLY using an AXXON N DOOR???

Does this also mean he's NOT the LITTLE BOY that the NEW NEIGHBOR makes reference to when she has COFFEE with Dern???

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[–] xxpo 9 years ago

We also never see DEVON/BILLY meeting with MR. K even though we also see his DEAD CORPSE in MTTH.

But since Billy's wife ends up on the WALK of FAME maybe she's the one who used the AXXON N DOOR instead of him???

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[–] xxpo 9 years ago

But since Billy's wife ends up on the WALK of FAME maybe she's the one who used the AXXON N DOOR instead of him???

CORRECTION:

The
WOMAN in the WHITE SHORTS
is the SISTER who is MARRIED to KIDDO.

KIDDO is the BOY TOY who tries to RAPE DERN ...

and then ends up with his HEAD and his PENIS sitting on the SHELF in the FRIDGE ...

along with the NOTE for her sister that explains what's happened and why they're sitting there.

And maybe that's also the reason why the PHANTOM is heading back to ROOM 47 again???

Because maybe he also GOT INSIDE of KIDDO, the BOY TOY of her sister who TORMENTS DERN by making her keep her food on the SHELF in the FRIDGE where her ICE CREAM keeps melting???

Then after DERN CUTS OFF his head maybe and his PENIS maybe THE PHANTOM also GETS inside of DERN'S SISTER and that's the reason why we see him/her HIDE behind the TREE on the Walk of FAME where she/he chases DERN ???

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[–] xxpo 9 years ago

But since Billy's wife ends up on the WALK of FAME maybe she's the one who used the AXXON N DOOR instead of him???

CORRECTION:

The
WOMAN in the WHITE SHORTS
is the SISTER who is MARRIED to KIDDO.

KIDDO is the BOY TOY who tries to RAPE DERN ...

and then ends up with his HEAD and his PENIS sitting on the SHELF in the FRIDGE ...

along with the NOTE for her sister that explains what's happened and why they're sitting there.

And maybe that's also the reason why the PHANTOM is heading back to ROOM 47 again???

Because maybe he also GOT INSIDE of KIDDO, the BOY TOY of her sister who TORMENTS DERN by making her keep her food on the SHELF in the FRIDGE where her ICE CREAM keeps melting???

Then after DERN CUTS OFF his head and his PENIS maybe THE PHANTOM also GETS inside of DERN'S SISTER and that's the reason why we see him/her HIDE behind the TREE on the Walk of FAME where she/he chases DERN ???

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[–] xxpo 9 years ago

Right before Niki arrives at STAGE 4 we see an image of the SUN. What's interesting to note about this image we see of the SUN is how it can only be seen that way by looking through a LENS.

The same kind of LIGHTING effect is also seen when we first see LOST GIRL.

Once again we view LG as if we are seeing her through some kind of a GLASS LENS (such as through the LENS of a camera).

Therefore this LIGHTING Effect also offers us PROOF that the images we see don't come from inside of the MIND of someone else.

Because if that were the case, there would be no need for this type of a LENS EFFECT that we see in IE.

Near the end of IE we also see the same weird lighting effect again which also reminds one of how we enter the CUT OFF EAR in BLUE VELVET and then EXIT from it again at the end of BV.

Anyone have any ideas what ENTERING and EXITING the CUT OFF EAR might mean???

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[–] xxpo 9 years ago

Right before Niki arrives at STAGE 4 we see an image of the SUN. What's interesting to note about this image we see of the SUN is how it can only be seen that way by looking through a LENS.

The same kind of LIGHTING effect is also seen when we first see LOST GIRL.

Once again we view LG as if we are seeing her through some kind of a GLASS LENS (such as through the LENS of a camera).

Therefore this LIGHTING Effect also offers us PROOF that the images we see don't come from inside of the MIND of someone else.

Because if that were the case, there would be no need for this type of a LENS EFFECT that we see in IE.

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Near the end of IE we also see the same weird lighting effect again which also reminds one of how we enter the CUT OFF EAR in BLUE VELVET and then EXIT from it again at the end of BV.

Anyone have any ideas what ENTERING and EXITING the CUT OFF EAR might mean???

PERHAPS when we ENTER the EAR the NIGHTMARE begins???

And it ends when we EXIT from it???

Likewise KAROLINA also finds herself inside of a NIGHTMARE situation as she sits there inside of the FAKE COPY of the HOTEL ROOM.

And DERN'S NIGHTMARE begins as she enters STAGE 4 and does the REHEARSAL for scene 35 which is also where the EVIL TWIN COPY of her is created???

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[–] xxpo 8 years ago

Right before Niki arrives at STAGE 4 we see an image of the SUN. What's interesting to note about this image we see of the SUN is how it can only be seen that way by looking through a LENS.

The same kind of LIGHTING effect is also seen when we first see LOST GIRL.

Once again we view LG as if we are seeing her through some kind of a GLASS LENS (such as through the LENS of a camera).

Still another place we encounter the LENS effect is in Kubrick's 2001 where we have HAL 9000 looking at the characters in the SPACE SHIP through a LENS.

So it's also as if there's an EVIL UNSEEN PRESENCE like HAL watching OVER things that are happening, and that EVIL PRESENCE would probably also be THE PHANTOM who's waiting for DERN to use the AXXON N DOOR.

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[–] xxpo 8 years ago

it's also as if there's an EVIL UNSEEN PRESENCE like HAL watching OVER things that are happening, and that EVIL PRESENCE would probably also be THE PHANTOM who's waiting for DERN to use the AXXON N DOOR.

And we also see KAROLINA looking at the MONITOR in room 205 as the NEW NEIGHBOR ARRIVES at NIKI'S place ...

but NOTE the way we also see the screen from the POINT of VIEW of someone who is looking at it from OVER her SHOULDER (thus also creating an effect like we have the presence of an UNSEEN character like HAL in the ROOM).

And we also have reason to believe the DOOR to ROOM 205 may also be an AXXON N DOOR (due to the way we also see the HUGE MIRROR as she EXITS the DOOR into the HALLWAY which also causes the REFLECTION that the NEW NEIGHBOR SAYS happens when the BOY and the GIRL go out to play).

Neighbor: Hmmm. A little boy went out to play. When he opened his door, he saw the world. As he passed through the doorway, he caused a reflection. Evil was born. Evil was born, and followed the boy.

Nikki: I'm sorry, what is that?

Neighbor: An old tale, and a variation. A little girl went out to play. Lost in the marketplace, as if half-born. Then, not through the marketplace - you see that, don't you? - but through the alley behind the marketplace. This is the way to the palace. But it isn't something you remember.

So as KAROLINA exits the DOOR of ROOM 205, there's the REFLECTION, and then she also ENTERS SMITHY's house through the BACK WAY (which is also BEHIND the MARKET PLACE), which probably also means THE PHANTOM has once again found a way to GET INSIDE of what next takes place.

It's like the end of BLUE VELVET where we see the MECHANICAL BIRD eating the BUG, and we have the ILLUSION that the ENDING is a HAPPY ONE.

But we also see the LITTLE BOY running towards his mother DORTHY, who has also been KIDNAPPED and HELD HOSTAGE by the EVIL character named FRANK in that TALE.

So we also know that LITTLE BOY will probably also grow up to treat others the same way as FRANK has MISTREATED HIM.

And that's also the reason why it's probably not safe to assume the HAPPY ENDING we see at the END of IE will stay that way for very long.

Because THE PHANTOM has probably also found a way to LEAVE his IMPRINT on someone the same way as FRANK leaves him IMPRINT on others that he's had contact with in BV.

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Right before Niki arrives at STAGE 4 we see an image of the SUN. What's interesting to note about this image we see of the SUN is how it can only be seen that way by looking through a LENS.

The same kind of LIGHTING effect is also seen when we first see LOST GIRL.

Once again we view LG as if we are seeing her through some kind of a GLASS LENS (such as through the LENS of a camera).

Therefore this LIGHTING Effect also offers us PROOF that the images we see don't come from inside of the MIND of someone else.

Because if that were the case, there would be no need for this type of a LENS EFFECT that we see in IE.

BUT this EFFECT is also something SPEAR choses to FORGET ABOUT

and NOT REMEMBER,

DUE to the way it also PROVES his ONE MIND CLAIM is NOTHING but UTTER NONSENSE

that makes NO SENSE whatsoever.

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[–] xxpo 7 years ago

Right before Niki arrives at STAGE 4 we see an image of the SUN. What's interesting to note about this image we see of the SUN is how it can only be seen that way by looking through a LENS.

The same kind of LIGHTING effect is also seen when we first see KAROLINA.

Once again we view LG as if we are seeing her through some kind of a GLASS LENS (such as through the LENS of a camera).

Therefore this LIGHTING Effect also offers us PROOF that the images we see don't come from inside of the MIND of someone else.

Because if that were the case, there would be no need for this type of a LENS EFFECT that we see in IE.

STILL another place where we see this LENS EFFECT is right before we see THE MUSTASH MAN standing on the SNOWY STREET in POLAND and someone asks him WHAT TIME it is.

NOTE the WAY it's made OBVIOUS to us how we are LOOKING at the SCENE through a LENS.

Also NOTE the way DERN is also seeing these scenes as she LOOKS through the HOLE that she's BURNED into the SILK,

which is also what KAROLINA instructs her to do on the AXXON N RECORD.

And after she tells DERN what to do, then shortly afterwards we also see DERN WEARING the WATCH that RUNS BACKWARDS in TIME, as she BURNS the HOLE into the SILK.

And then she also sees the scenes IN POLAND where KAROLINA is SHOVED by THE PHANTOM, and where THE WOMAN in WHITE says she can't have children and will NEVER let the MUSTASH MAN HAVE HER.

ALSO NOTE the way we HEAR the SCRATCHY CRACKLING SOUNDS of the AXXON N RECORD playing as DERN looks through the HOLE in the SILK.

And that also means DERN is PLAYING the AXXON N RECORD as she does this.

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[–] xxpo 7 years ago

STILL another place where we see this LENS EFFECT is right before we see THE MUSTASH MAN standing on the SNOWY STREET in POLAND and someone asks him WHAT TIME it is.

NOTE the WAY it's made OBVIOUS to us how we are LOOKING at the SCENE through a LENS.

Several YEARS ago another poster also compared the LENS EFFECT in IE to the LENS Effect in 2001 where we see things through the EYE of HAL.

Because as ASTRONAUT JOGS around the circular area we also see the SLEEPING PODS.

But as he does so we also see the PODS REVERSED and on the OTHER SIDE as if one were also looking at them in a MIRROR.

So could the USE of the LENS EFFECT in IE also indicate the PHANTOM is located inside of a character???

Is it possible to USE the LENS effect to figure out which character has become POSSESSED by him???

Perhaps TWIN PEAKS 2017 will also use the LENS EFFECT whenever BOB takes POSSESSION of someone and then we can also use whatever happens in that show to figure out what's going on in IE???

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[–] lukas-sumper 7 years ago

STILL another place where we see this LENS EFFECT is right before we see THE MUSTASH MAN standing on the SNOWY STREET in POLAND and someone asks him WHAT TIME it is.

NOTE the WAY it's made OBVIOUS to us how we are LOOKING at the SCENE through a LENS.

Nice observations, I will rewatch the movie soon and going to watch out for them. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Lynch has those little queues build in for us to figure them out.

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When DEBBIE REYNOLDS died the DAY AFTER her daughter CARRIE did ...

one also thought about how ROY SCRIPTS his own DEATH in BLADE RUNNER ...

and how SOCRATES also did the same thing ...

and had to ADMIRE how the MOTHER DAUGHTER TEAM also managed to go out with the same KIND of ATTENTION GRABBING and MEMORABLE FLURRY as these other 2 did.

Plus CARRIE also has the same kind of LEADING MAN ISSUES going on in POSTCARDS from the EDGE as we see happening in IE.

Because there's also a SCENE where CARRIE'S CHARACTER discovers the LEADING MAN's also had sex with one of the EXTRA'S (WARREN BEATTY'S WIFE) on the same day as he had it with her (which PARALLELS DERN finding out the LEADING MAN she's screwed has also been screwing all the other girls with BIT PARTS as EXTRAS).

Anyhow, THE LENS EFFECT also reminds one of the way we also see the REVERSED PERSPECTIVE of HAL in 2001.

And it also looks like someone is LOOKING OVER the shoulder of KAROLINA as she watches the MOVIE MONITOR inside of the PROP ... or inside of the RECREATION of the OLD HOTEL ROOM ... or ROOM 205.

And we also hear THE PHANTOM say he's looking for an OPENING.

Now that it's 2017 and the YEAR that we finally get to see TWIN PEAKS 2017, perhaps it will also have something in it to help us figure out what's happening in IE???

AGENT COOP has also been seen wearing a

BRIGHT GREEN COAT

that looks just like the one SMITHY (or whoever he is) was seen wearing.

And we also know BOB found a way to GET INSIDE of COOPER.

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AGENT COOP has also been seen wearing a

BRIGHT GREEN COAT

that looks just like the one SMITHY (or whoever he is) was seen wearing.

And we also know BOB found a way to GET INSIDE of COOPER.

TV ALERT:

TWIN PEAKS 2017 has an APRIL 30 START DATE.

SHOWTIME WILL ALSO BE SHOWING SEASONS ONE and TWO of TWIN PEAKS in JAN and FEB before the DEBUT of SEASON 3.

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