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The WOMAN in TROUBLE

posted 12 years ago by xxpo
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Some posters seem to think the reason why INLAND EMPIRE also includes the description:

A WOMAN in TROUBLE

on the DVD cover means she feels GUILTY for having betrayed her husband.

But when we look at the TRANSCRIPTS ...

PLEASE NOTE the way in which we find NO EVIDENCE whatsoever that the WOMAN in TROUBLE feels GUILTY about CHEATING on her MATE:

SUE

Seen a guy come at me with a crowbar once. Guess he figured I was two-timing him. I was coming home, we were shacked up at the time. He was waiting for me in the half-light. Waiting for me to come home. Guess he had worked himself into some kind of frenzy.

I open the fking door ... and I see this fking shape burst out of the chair…

and a crowbar going up. I scream, and turn. Fking crowbar comes down, smashing in that fking door, cheap piece of *beep* It just splinters into a thousand pieces, like it was glass, *beep* flying everywhere.

I don’t take this kind of behavior. I see what this fker was up to.

BAM!

I kick him in the nuts so hard he go crawling up inside his brain for a refuge.

He goes down like a two dollar whore.

Crying and *beep* telling me he’s done nothing but love me and *beep*

MR. K

Were you in fact seeing another man?

SUE

I screwed a couple guys for drinks, no big deal.

This one guy was kinda cute. Fker had a dick like a rhinoceros. He’d fk the $hit out of you, I tell you what. He’d buy me a couple of drinks after. We’d talk, he’d tell me about the town he grew up in. All the little girls he fked.

There was a chemical factory in this town, and he’d tell me it was putting so much $hit in the air you couldn’t think straight. It got to a lot of the people. There was a lot of crazy $hit going on there. People having weird dreams, seeing things that wasn’t there. This one time, this one little girl. She was staring off at something one time. Starts screaming. The people hanging round come to her and ask what’s wrong, and uh, she says she sees the end of the world. All fire and smoke and blood running. You know, like they say, the wailing and the gnashing of the teeth.

So NOT only does this WOMAN feel NO GUILT whatsoever for having SCREWED A COUPLE of GUYS for DRINKS ...

and tell MR. K that IT WAS NO BIG DEAL ...

but she also BRAGS about what a HUGE PENIS this other guy has ...

and explains how this MAN with HUGE BODY PART would also ACTUALLY SPEND TIME with her ...

and TELL HER STORIES ...

which is probably also NOT something the other man she lives with does ...

because we also SEE the way he IGNORES HER most of the time whenever

we see her LIVING inside of SMITHY'S HOUSE.

Therefore, when someone claims this is a story about THE GUILT a WOMAN FEELS over having CHEATED on her MATE ...

and they also say that's the reason WHY they think she's a WOMAN in TROUBLE ...

this is also NOT a PERSON who PAYS CLOSE ENOUGH ATTENTION to the STORY or to what the WOMAN in TROUBLE tells MR. K.

Still more details regarding the relationships of the WOMAN in TROUBLE with other men can be found here on the OLD TALE TOPIC:

An OLD TALE:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0460829/board/thread/204006751?d=latest&t=20120902103031#latest

To be continued ...

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[–] xxpo 12 years ago

In addition to SUE BLUE living with a MAN who IGNORES her for the most part, we also have the life of NIKI which is a MIRROR IMAGE.

Because NIKI also lives with a man who IGNORES her ...

as we see by the way in which he SPIES on her from the TOP of the STAIRS ...

when her AGENT GREG calls to let her know she's GOTTEN the PART in KINGSLEY'S BLUE VERSION of the AXXON N TALE.

But whereas we see her other girl friends who are HAPPY and delighted for her, and even the BUTLER or SERVANT who also kicks up his HEELS to express JOY that she's gotten the PART in the film, we see NO INDICATION whatsoever that her husband shares the same kind of feelings.

If anything he seems to RESENT the part she's gotten which is also revealed to us in this scene between him and NIKI'S CO STAR in the film:

NIKKI
Piotrek? Where did everyone go?
HEAD MANSERVANT
I’m sorry, he’s taken Mr. Berk upstairs.
NIKKI (scared)
Alright.
DEVON
Well, I’m not exactly sure at what you’re getting at.
PIOTREK
I’m going to put my arm around you and hold you close. You don’t mind, do you?
DEVON
What do you mean?
PIOTREK
Now, sometimes people don’t say exactly what they mean. And you have been guilty of this all evening. Now, I’ll tell you something. And I will mean everything I say. My wife is not a free agent. I don’t allow her that. The bonds of marriage are real bonds. The vows we take, we honour, and enforce them. For ourselves, by ourselves, and if necessary, they’re enforced for us. Either way, she is bound. Do you understand this? There are consequences to one’s actions. And there would, be certain, consequences for wrong actions. Dark, they would be. And inescapable. Why instigate a need to suffer?

In other words, like the MAN IN THE GREEN COAT ...
this is also a JEALOUS MATE who IGNORES his wife and then RESENTS having another man pay ATTENTION to her.

When NIKI goes to be interviewed on the MARILYN LEVENS SHOW, once again we see no sign or indication that the HUSBAND is there to SUPPORT her the way in which we see DEVON surrounded by other members of his ENTOURAGE.

So whereas PIOTREK pays LIP SERVICE to the VOWS he's taken (to LOVE/HONOR/CHERISH his wife), we also see NO INDICATION WHATSOEVER that this is the case.

And all we see is his JEALOUSY of another man who will be her CO STAR in the film she's gotten a ROLE in.

And it is this OBSESSIVE JEALOUSY and the way in which they are IGNORED by their MATES
that makes both DERN and LOST GIRL WOMEN IN TROUBLE.

In other words, if anyone should have reason to FEEL GUILTY it would also be THE MALES who IGNORE the WOMEN in their lives and then EXPECT these women to remain FAITHFUL to them.

But the WOMEN are HUMAN beings who long for the company of another HUMAN BEING who doesn't make her feel as if she's INVISIBLE] to them.

So they also become VULNERABLE to the ATTENTION that gets paid to them by the 2 FACED WOLF in this TALE ...

who LIES to them ...

and tells them he's

NEVER KNOWN ANYONE LIKE THEM BEFORE

as a way that he can GET INSIDE of them and have HIS WAY with them ...

before he DUMPS them and moves on along to his NEXT PREY.

And this is when the TROUBLE BEGINS for the WOMAN who feels even MORE BLUE than she felt before she meets the 2 FACED WOLF ...

because she also ends up HOMELESS and with NO WAY to PAY HER RENT.

To be continued ...

MORE DETAILS ABOUT THE WAY in which THE WOMEN FEEL INVISIBLE and BLUE can be found here:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0460829/board/thread/204006751

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[–] el-9984 12 years ago

... the same guy who was inattentive and jealous of Nikki/Sue. Why send Lost Girl back into THAT GUY'S arms at the end of the movie??

Because she's discovered he's not who she thought he was.

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[–] xxpo 8 years ago

the MAN IN THE GREEN COAT ...
this is also a JEALOUS male who IGNORES his mate and then RESENTS having another man pay ATTENTION to her.

So PIOTREK who IGNORES and NEGLECTS his mate also threatens DEVON for showing an interest in her.

And THE SMITHY character also completely ABANDONS the SUE BLUE character once she tells him she's pregnant.

And during the 60's whenever a woman was pregnant and had no mate to depend on to help her she was also referred to as being:

A WOMAN IN TROUBLE

So the MAN in the GREEN COAT gets the WOMAN pregnant, runs away and joins the circus, and leaves her with no way to pay THE RENT.

Thus the reason why she also ends up on the WALK of FAME with the other whores after she's HOMELESS.

Then the wife of BILLY SIDE also STABS her with the SCREW DRIVER, probably also hoping that will result in the loss of the child.

But the woman herself dies.

And there's also the problem of how the STABBING takes place in the 2000 TIME FRAME, whereas SUE BLUE and the wife of BILLY SIDE belong to the 1960 TIME FRAME.

Thus the reason why this must also be the WIFE of KIDDO or SUE BLUE'S SISTER who STABS her on the WALK of FAME???

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[–] xxpo 8 years ago

the MAN IN THE GREEN COAT ...
this is also a JEALOUS male who IGNORES his mate and then RESENTS having another man pay ATTENTION to her.

So PIOTREK who IGNORES and NEGLECTS his mate also threatens DEVON for showing an interest in her.

And THE SMITHY character also completely ABANDONS the SUE BLUE character once she tells him she's pregnant.

And during the 60's whenever a woman was pregnant and had no mate to depend on to help her she was also referred to as being:

A WOMAN IN TROUBLE

So the MAN in the GREEN COAT gets the WOMAN pregnant, runs away and joins the circus, and leaves her with no way to pay THE RENT.

Thus the reason why she also ends up on the WALK of FAME with the other whores after she's HOMELESS.

Then the wife of BILLY SIDE also STABS her with the SCREW DRIVER, probably also hoping that will result in the loss of the child.

But the woman herself dies.

And there's also the problem of how the STABBING takes place in the 2000 TIME FRAME, whereas SUE BLUE and the wife of BILLY SIDE belong to the 1960 TIME FRAME.

Thus the reason why this must also be the WIFE of KIDDO or SUE BLUE'S SISTER who STABS her on the WALK of FAME???

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THE TIME PROBLEM is SOLVED if we also assume the ACTRESS who plays the part of BILLY'S WIFE also gets

LOST in CHARACTER

because that's also what THE CURSE INVOLVES.

So when DORIS SIDE GRABS the SCREW DRIVER and STABS DERN with it ...

she's probably also still STUCK in the CHARACTER of being DORIS ...

like NORMA DESMOND was also so LOST in SUNSET BLVD at the end of that story ...

that she thought she was MAKING a FILM ...

when she's being ARRESTED for the MURDER of her SCRIPT WRITER.

So what probably happens is the ACTRESS who plays the part of DORIS MURDERS DERN in KINGSLEY'S VERSION of the AXXON N PLAY,

because she also gets so confused that she thinks DERN sleeps with her husband???

That also helps to explain the other scene that we see of her with THE DETECTIVE at the beginning of IE where

She's probably also still STUCK in CHARACTER in that scene.

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[–] xxpo 8 years ago

what probably happens is the ACTRESS who plays the part of DORIS MURDERS DERN in KINGSLEY'S VERSION of the AXXON N PLAY,

because she also gets so confused that she thinks DERN sleeps with her husband???

That also helps to explain the other scene that we see of her with THE DETECTIVE at the beginning of IE where

She's probably also still STUCK in CHARACTER in that scene.

So we also have 2 WOMEN who are STUCK in CHARACTER or who are IN TROUBLE in IE.

Because both DERN and ORMOND get so confused by the ROLES they play that they really do think they are the characters they portrayed in the FILM VERSION of the AXXON N PLAY.

And that also explains the reason why we have what appears to be the WIFE of BILLY SIDE walking around on the WALK of FAME in the 2000 TIME FRAME.

And in the BLUE BEDROOM SCENE we also have DEVON who is STUCK in CHARACTER as BILLY SIDE.

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[–] xxpo 12 years ago

So we have 2 WOMEN in TWIN COPIES of a marriage where they both FEEL INVISIBLE to the MEN in their lives.

And we also have a WOMAN who wants to SAVE MONEY for the BABY she says is on the way, and a SELFISH NARCISSISTIC JERK who would rather DRINK BETTER BEER that doesn't TASTE LIKE PISS.

Then we also see the way he IGNORES the REQUEST to SAVE MONEY when he has the HOT DOG PARTY in the BACK YARD ...

where he also REVEALS his plans to ABANDON HER and the BABY that's on the way ...

when he tells her about his PLANS to RUN AWAY and JOIN THE CIRCUS.

Then we also see AN IMAGE of LOST GIRL appear on the WHITE T SHIRT and see her PRAYING and saying:

Cast out this wicked dream that has seized my heart.

And some may also try to say this was evidence that she is dreaming ...

but more likely what it means is she's PRAYS to have a MISCARRIAGE ...

because at this point she also REALIZES HOW WRONG she's been to get involved with this CRUEL and SELFISH MAN who has NO INTENTION of taking RESPONSIBILITY for SUPPORTING her or the CHILD that is on the way.

http://zomobo.net/inland-empire

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WE ARE LIKE THE SPIDER WE WEAVE OUR LIFE AND THEN MOVE ALONG IN IT

WE ARE LIKE THE DREAMER WHO DREAMS AND THEN LIVES in the DREAM

THIS IS TRUE FOR THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE

In other words, it's at this point that LOST GIRL is FORCED to WAKE UP to the FACT that her DREAM of having a HAPPY HOME LIFE ...

and her hopes of having CHILDREN with this man ...

has been one BIG LIE/CON/or a SHAM.

This FACT is further illustrated to us when the VISITOR stops by to COLLECT the UNPAID RENT or the UNPAID BILL that she owes for the RENT:

VISITOR#2
I came about an unpaid bill that need paying.
SUE
Alright.
VISITOR#2
Do you know…the man who lives here? (softly) Do you know him?
SUE
Yes.
VISITOR#2
It is an unpaid bill that needs paying.
SUE
You already said that.
VISITOR#2
Do you know the man who lives next door? “Krimp” is the name.

So THE WOMAN is in TROUBLE now because SHE'S BEEN ABANDONED by the husband who JOINS the CIRCUS ...

which also means she has NO WAY to PAY the RENT she OWES to the DAMN LANDLORD named CRIMP.

To be continued ...

[–] franzkabuki 12 years ago

The "unpaid bill", of course, doesn´t refer to the rent she owed to her landlord, exclusively. And, as Miller points out, her guilt isn´t strictly adultery-related, but has to do with the tragedies this adultery eventually led to.

"facts are stupid things" - Ronald Reagan

[–] xxpo 12 years ago

"unpaid bill", of course, doesn´t refer to the rent she owed to her landlord

Sorry Franz,

but both the SONG LYRICS and what FREDDY keeps saying about the RENT he OWES to his DAMN LANDLORD clearly indicate to us it is [b] the RENT is the UNPAID BILL that this WOMAN in TROUBLE OWES that needs paying:

SONG LYRICS to BLACK TAMBORINE:

Black hearts in effigy
We sing a song that was hated

All dressed in rag and bones
Sharks smell the blood that I'm bleeding

I know there's something wrong
Might take a fire to kill it
Might take a hurricane
Don't know what life that I'm livin'

Black tambourine
Black tambourine

My baby run to me
She lives in broken down buildings

Can't pay the rent again

These spider webs are my home now
And when the sun is down

We'll shake and rattle our bodies
To keep it warm at night

My tambourine is still shaking

Black tambourine
Black tambourine

Black hearts in effigy
We sing a song that was hated
All dressed in rag and bones
Sharks smell the blood that I'm bleeding
I know there's something wrong
Might take a fire to kill it
Might take a hurricane
Don't know what life that I'm livin'

Black tambourine
Black tambourine

BLACK HEARTS in EFFIGY:

CAN'T PAY THE RENT AGAIN

2 SIDES of the SAME COIN ...

2 WOMEN LIVING PARALLEL LIVES ... '

that are MIRROR IMAGES of each other ...

2 WOMEN who are IGNORED by the MEN in their LIVES ...

WHO BOTH END UP ON THE STREET HOMELESS ...

BECAUSE THEY CAN'T PAY THEIR RENT.

LANNI
Hey. Look at us and tell us if you’ve known us before.
…
SANDI
In the future…
DORI:
…you will be dreaming…
LORI:
…in a kind of sleep…
TERRI:
…when you open your eyes…
LANNI:
…someone familiar will be there.

LOST GIRL:

DO YOU WANT TO SEE???

TO be able to SEE ..

DERN is instructed to BURN a HOLE in the SILK with the CIGARETTE ...

and then LOOK THROUGH IT ...

where she sees the LIFE of LOST GIRL ...

and how it is a TWIN COPY ...

or MIRROR image of her OWN LIFE.

[–] franzkabuki 12 years ago

It´d be much nicer if you´d reply to the argument as a whole and not, for some reason, omit parts of what I wrote - and what I wrote was that the "unpaid bill" doesn´t refer to house rent EXLUSIVELY. It certainly is ´one´ thing it refers to all right.

"facts are stupid things" - Ronald Reagan

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[–] xxpo 12 years ago

You are the one who doesn't ACKNOWLEDGE what was previously said franz.

It's implied by the VISITOR that the THE MAN who use to live in SMITHY'S HOUSE owes RENT to CRIMP.

VISITOR#2
I came about an unpaid bill that need paying.
SUE
Alright.
VISITOR#2
Do you know…the man who lives here? (softly) Do you know him?
SUE
Yes.
VISITOR#2
It is an unpaid bill that needs paying.
SUE
You already said that.
VISITOR#2
Do you know the man who lives next door? “Krimp” is the name.

When she ASKS if DERN KNOWS the MAN who lives there ...

since this is SMITHY'S HOUSE ...

this would be SMITHY who OWES the UNPAID BILL.

SMITHY is the one who OWES the RENT to CRIMP ...

but he's ABANDONED DERN, joined the CIRCUS, and gone off to the BALTIC REGION.

He also tells her this at the HOT DOG PARTY:

They are a group that performs
in traveling shows... in the Baltic region.
What's that got to do with you?
I will take care for the animals.
It was said that I have a way with animals.

So clearly the UNPAID BILL which is the RENT is what SMITHY OWES.

This is why the VISITOR asks if she knows the man who lives there and then tells her the BILL is OWED to the man who lives NEXT DOOR.

If you don't see it that way fine, but imo, that's definitely what the EVIDENCE we find in the STORY is telling us.

BACK to the WOMAN in TROUBLE:

Look at her face. It's not just Bruised from being BEATEN. It's also DIRTY from not being washed because she's HOMELESS like those other 3 people who sit there and watch her DIE without calling 911 or for an AMBULANCE to come get her.

She's definitely a HOMELESS BUM on the WALK of FAME.

And at this point, she's probably also a DRUG ADDICT as well.

We also know this from seeing the other girls doing drugs and turning TRICKS to get money for them.

So most likely they've also turned DERN ONTO DRUGS as well and that's also the reason why we see her HEAD FALLING BACKWARDS as she LOOKS UP to see the other TWIN COPY of herself LOOKING DOWN at herself in the scene where they say from now on she'd be DREAMING in a KIND of SLEEP.

SHE'S HIGH.

As in OH HIGN in BLUE TOMORROW.

We also hear the girls saying it would be BETTER TONIGHT (when they could turn some tricks to get the DRUGS to CHASE AWAY The BLUES).

We also know they all have the BLUES due to the way we hear them saying how they thought HE was THE ONE.

And the girls are probably also PLAYING the AXXON N RECORD at the other time, when they take DERN through the MAGIC WINDOW to SNOWY POLAND, which is probably also why we see THE FACE of LOST GIRL as she explains how to BURN the HOLE in the SILK and LOOK THROUGH IT.

So as DERN GETS HIGH she also takes a TRIP THROUGH the HOLE into the WONDERLAND of POLAND.

And eventually those TRIPS she takes probably also take their TOLL and reach the point where she no longer knows where she's at anymore.

Which also helps to explain the reason why she IMAGINES she sees DORIS (THE GHOST of LOVE) CHASING her on the WALK OF FAME before she STABS her in the GUT with the SCREW DRIVER.

FYI:

Miller is another NARCISSISTIC PEST from the MD board who use to use the name jjohnson and brag about his HIGH IQ and MARTIAL ARTS SKILLS to DK all the time:

http://www.imdb.com/user/ur23569295/boards/profile/

HE also use to post messages where he DROOLS over NAOMI, and encouraged another married woman to also DROOL over some movie star as well, and that's also the reason why he's on IGNORE and the topic looks like this:

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The WOMAN in TROUBLE xxpo 12 hours ago
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Re: The WOMAN in TROUBLE: PART 2 xxpo 10 hours ago
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Re: The WOMAN in TROUBLE: PART 3 xxpo 10 hours ago
Re: The WOMAN in TROUBLE: PART 3 franzkabuki 7 hours ago
Re: The WOMAN in TROUBLE xxpo 4 hours ago
Re: The WOMAN in TROUBLE franzkabuki 4 hours ago
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Re: The WOMAN in TROUBLE

And that's also why whatever you said in reference to what he said can't be answered or addressed.

If you go to the MD board you'll also see how jjohnson use to be the same kind of TOPIC HOG as miller is, by posting more than HALF the TOPICS to the MD board.

You'll also see how jjohnson goes SILENT when this kkmiller SHOWS UP.

So maybe someone also GAGGED jjohnson to SHUT him up and stop him from being SUCH as TOPIC HOG???

[–] franzkabuki 12 years ago

Seems you´re not paying attention - I mean, why the hell are you trying to desperately prove me something (the house rent bit) I already agreed with? I bet you actually do understand what the word "exclusive" means... even us here in the Baltic region know that...

And what do you mean she "imagines" Doris stabbing her?

"facts are stupid things" - Ronald Reagan

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[–] xxpo 12 years ago

Why do you think an effort is being made to desperately PROVE something TO YOU FRANZ?

This topic simply STICKS to the FACTS ...

QUOTES the TRANSCRIPTS ...

then INTERPRETES what's been said in them.

If you don't happen to agree with the INTERPRETATION that's been put forth, then so be it.

No one DISPUTES your right to see the situation the way you wish.

On the other hand, it is YOU who seems frustrated with the way in which someone else interprets what they see?

And you also don't seem to feel they have the right to see things the way that they do???

So are you also saying you AGREE that the WOMAN IN TROUBLE FEELS INVISIBLE and is IGNORED by the MAN we see her living with inside of SMITHY'S HOUSE?

If so, then what's the problem?

Why keep harping on the word EXCLUSIVE?

RE: INVISIBLE DORIS:

Since the OTHER GIRLS she's with on the WALK of FAME don't seem to be able to SEE DORIS SIDE ...

that's what one means when they say it seems as if DERN ONLY IMAGINES this GHOST OF LOVE being there ...

when she may NOT REALLY be there ... except for inside of the MIND of DERN.

At the very END of MTTH you'll also see DORIS as she walks past an OLD HOTEL and then begins her WALK towards the WALK of FAME.

AND you also hear LYNCH singing the song GHOST OF LOVE as she walks towards the WALK of FAME.

So WHO'S THIS GHOST of LOVE ???

DORIS???

THE WOMAN in the WHITE SHORTS???

THE WOMAN who also tells the DETECTIVE she's going to STAB someone with a SCREW DRIVER BEFORE we see that happen???

HOW is this possible?

How could DORIS have left the DETECTIVE OFFICE with a SCREW DRIVER STUCK in her GUT and then go STICK ONE INTO DERN'S GUT???

THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG ...

can you feel it???

This is also what leads one to suspect DERN may only IMAGINE seeing DORIS THERE on the WALK of FAME when she may also NOT REALLY BE THERE???

FYI:

DORIS walks past a place called THE ALTO NIDO:

http://walkourworld.blogspot.com/2011/03/hollywood-tale-alto-nido.html

The Alto Nido was also where The Black Dahlia Elizabeth Short lived before her brutal murder.

The scene in LOST HWY where we see the dismembered body also appears to be based upon the BRUTAL MURDER of Elizabeth Short.

[–] el-9984 12 years ago

DORIS walks past a place called THE ALTO NIDO:

http://walkourworld.blogspot.com/2011/03/hollywood-tale-alto-nido.html

The Alto Nido was also where The Black Dahlia Elizabeth Short lived before her brutal murder.

The scene in LOST HWY where we see the dismembered body also appears to be based upon the BRUTAL MURDER of Elizabeth Short.

The ALTO NIDO is also Joe Gillis's apartment building in the opening scenes of Sunset Blvd.. Lynch shot the scene in front of the same building...it's still there today on the corner of Franklin and Ivar. Doris is shown walking down Ivar in the direction of Hollywood Blvd, which is two blocks away. It's from the direction of Ivar that Doris approaches Sue...

Here's something else too. The lot Joe Gillis parks his car is right next to Avalon, the place where Lynch filmed the exterior "waiting line" scene and the interior club scenes in IE. You can see the club as Gillis pulls his car out onto Vine. The place is still a parking lot today...amazing how some locations do not change.

edit...I see the link explains the the Sunset Blvd history.

[–] xxpo 12 years ago

Thanks for the additional heads up regarding the other history of ALTO NIDO EL.

So ...

WHY does LYNCH CHOSE to show us her walking past this ALTO NIDO place ...

as he's also singing GHOST of LOVE ...

and he's also practically yelling it at us repeatedly???

Ghost ... Ghost ... Ghost of LOVE ...

And how is it possible this WOMAN in the WHITE shorts and FLIP FLOPS ...

who could barely HOBBLE over to the CHAIR in the police station ...

where she tells the DETECTIVE she's going to STAB someone with a SCREW DRIVER ...

could leave the COP STATION with a SCREW DRIVER STUCK in her GUT ...

and then go STICK ONE INTO DERN'S GUT???

And if she's also planning to KILL someone ...

then RUN AWAY after the deed is done ...

why wear FLIP FLOPS ...

which are also not very good shoes to wear whenever one tries to RUN AWAY in them????

If one was planning to ROB at BANK, for example, how likely is it the BANK ROBBER would wear a pair of FLIP FLOP shoes to the HOLD UP scene???

It's little details like these that also make one suspect this WOMAN isn't really there on the WALK of FAME and is only some kind of a PHANTOM figure that comes from INSIDE of DERN'S MIND (like we also saw the PHANTOM RITA inside of BETTY/D's place in MD).

Could DERN seeing this PHANTOM figure ...

or the WOMAN in WHITE shorts ...

also be a result of DERN and the OTHER GIRLS REPEATEDLY PLAYING and LISTENING to the AXXON N RECORD ALBUM ...

over and over and over again ...

while also doing DRUGS to CHASE AWAY the BLUES ???

AND could DERN have also IDENTIFIED with the character named SUE BLUE in AXXON N STORY so much ...

and PLAYED the AXXON N RECORD so many times ...

that it's reached the point where DERN can no longer tell what's REAL and NOT REAL anymore???

AND maybe BETTY also STARES at the RITA HAYWORTH poster on the WALL of the BATHROOM so much ...

that the RITA character in MD also seems REAL to BETTY ...

when neither RITA nor this other WOMAN in the WHITE SHORTS that we see in IE is REALLY THERE???

Because ACCORDING to what it says in THE WIKIPEDIA LINK ...

what's also INTERESTING about the HISTORY of THE BLACK DAHLIA ...

who also use to live at the ALTO NIDO ...

is the way in which REPORTERS ...

and others who read about her or heard about the case ...

also INVENTED and IMAGINED and MADE UP all kinds of other THINGS about HER that were also NOT TRUE ...

including the UNFOUNDED CLAIM that she'd also been a PROSTITUTE when there was also NO EVIDENCE found that this was ever the case.

FYI:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Dahlia

William Randolph Hearst's papers, the Los Angeles Herald-Express and the Los Angeles Examiner, sensationalized the case: The black tailored suit Short was last seen wearing became "a tight skirt and a sheer blouse" and Elizabeth Short became the "Black Dahlia," an "adventuress" who "prowled Hollywood Boulevard." As time passed, the media coverage became more outrageous, with claims that her lifestyle had "made her victim material."

Gerry Ramlow, a Los Angeles Daily News reporter, later stated, "If the murder was never solved it was because of the reporters... They were all over, trampling evidence, withholding information."[citation needed] It took several days for the police to take full control of the investigation, during which time reporters roamed freely throughout the department's offices, sat at officers' desks, and answered their phones. Many tips from the public were not passed on to police, as the reporters who received them rushed out to get "scoops."

Although a popular portrayal amongst her acquaintances and many true-crime authors was of Short as a call girl, the Los Angeles district attorney's grand jury proved there was no existing evidence that she was ever a prostitute, and the district attorney's office attributes the claim to confusion with a prostitute of the same name. Another widely circulated rumor holds that Short was unable to have sexual intercourse because of a congenital defect that left her with "infantile genitalia." Los Angeles County district attorney's files state that the investigators had questioned three men with whom Short had sex,[10] including a Chicago police officer who was a suspect in the case.[11] The FBI files on the case also contain a statement from one of Short's alleged lovers. Found in the Los Angeles district attorney's files and in the Los Angeles Police Department's summary of the case, Short's autopsy describes her reproductive organs as anatomically normal, although the report notes evidence of what it called "female trouble." The autopsy also states that Short was not and had never been pregnant, contrary to what had been claimed prior to and following her death.[10]

What's also interesting is the way her BODY was WASHED and PLACED in POSITION as if someone had STAGED the SCENE.

And the area of the MOUTH had also been SLIT on both sides of her FACE ...

all the way up to the EAR area ...

which also gave her the appearance of having the

GRIN of a CLOWN.

[–] xxpo 10 years ago

The ALTO NIDO is also Joe Gillis's apartment building in the opening scenes of Sunset Blvd.. Lynch shot the scene in front of the same building...it's still there today on the corner of Franklin and Ivar. Doris is shown walking down Ivar in the direction of Hollywood Blvd, which is two blocks away. It's from the direction of Ivar that Doris approaches Sue...

Here's something else too. The lot Joe Gillis parks his car is right next to Avalon, the place where Lynch filmed the exterior "waiting line" scene and the interior club scenes in IE. You can see the club as Gillis pulls his car out onto Vine. The place is still a parking lot today...amazing how some locations do not change.

edit...I see the link explains the the Sunset Blvd history.

And in SUNSET BLVD we also have a woman who gets LOST ...

and thinks the ROLE of the CHARACTERS she portrays were MORE REAL than her own life???

Hence the remark she makes at the end of the film where she's being ARRESTED for MURDER and says:

I'M READY for my CLOSE UP ...

because inside of her LOST and CONFUSED MIND she also thinks she's still MAKING A FILM ...

Wonder what LIFE would have been like for her in PRISON???

Someone should make a SEQUEL FILM where we explore what life was like for her there ...

or maybe LYNCH also already did this when he makes LOST HWY???

And the character that we see inside of the PRISON setting was also someone like NORMA who also thought he was still a character inside of a FILM that he'd made???

GETTING STUCK in character can definitely be a DANGEROUS thing.

[–] xxpo 10 years ago

The ALTO NIDO is also Joe Gillis's apartment building in the opening scenes of Sunset Blvd.. Lynch shot the scene in front of the same building...it's still there today on the corner of Franklin and Ivar. Doris is shown walking down Ivar in the direction of Hollywood Blvd, which is two blocks away. It's from the direction of Ivar that Doris approaches Sue...

Here's something else too. The lot Joe Gillis parks his car is right next to Avalon, the place where Lynch filmed the exterior "waiting line" scene and the interior club scenes in IE. You can see the club as Gillis pulls his car out onto Vine. The place is still a parking lot today...amazing how some locations do not change.

edit...I see the link explains the the Sunset Blvd history.

And in SUNSET BLVD we also have a woman who gets LOST ...

and thinks the ROLE of the CHARACTERS she portrays were MORE REAL than her own life???

Hence the remark she makes at the end of the film where she's being ARRESTED for MURDER and says:

I'M READY for my CLOSE UP ...

because inside of her LOST and CONFUSED MIND she also thinks she's still MAKING A FILM ...

Wonder what LIFE would have been like for her in PRISON???

Someone should make a SEQUEL FILM where we explore what life was like for her there ...

or maybe LYNCH also already did this when he makes LOST HWY???

And the character that we see inside of the PRISON setting was also someone like NORMA who also thought he was still a character inside of a FILM that he'd made???

GETTING STUCK in character can definitely be a DANGEROUS thing.

For anyone interested ...

In MTTH ALTO NIDO is the name of the OLD HOTEL that DORIS SIDE is seen WALKING BY in LA ...

as she approaches the WALK of FAME ...

as THE GHOST of LOVE ...

who HIDES BEHIND the TREE ...

like we see THE PHANTOM doing ...

before DERN picks up the SCREW DRIVER ...

that DORIS STICKS into DERN'S GUT.

The ALTO NIDO is also the place where still another FAMOUS MURDER VICTIM use to live ...

one who was also MURDERED the SAME WAY as the other girl was in LOST HIGHWAY ...

who had her BODY CUT UP into 2 PARTS.

Sort of like the way KIDDO also has his BODY CUT UP into 2 PARTS ...

that get SET on the MOLDY SHELF in the FRIDGE ...

where he MADE DERN keep her CHEESE, MIRACLE WHIP, and her ICE CREAM that kept MELTING all the time.

[–] Erniesam 10 years ago

So clearly the UNPAID BILL which is the RENT is what SMITHY OWES.

This is why the VISITOR asks if she knows the man who lives there and then tells her the BILL is OWED to the man who lives NEXT DOOR.

I understand you think this `unpaid bill` is the rent Smithy owes to the man who lives next door (Crimp). But you surely don´t think that this is te real meaning of the unpaid bill, do you?

[–] xxpo 10 years ago

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Look at what the TRANSCRIPTS say when the 2nd VISITOR arrives at SMITHY'S ...

who has the WATCH on her arm ...

and with a SOCK on it to also protect her from TOUCHING IT ...

(like the PHANTOM also used a HANKERCHIEF to protect him from the WATCH when he hands it to LOST GIRL in MTTH)...

This 2nd VISITOR ...

who also looks like she's MORPHING from her RABBIT FORM into her HUMAN FORM ...

when she's still OUTSIDE in the FRONT YARD:

VISITOR:

Do you know a man who lives here?

860
01:58:54,851 --> 01:58:56,196
Do you know him?

DERN REPLIES:
861
01:58:57,353 --> 01:59:00,472
Yes. What is it? What do you want?

862
01:59:01,211 --> 01:59:04,019
Which you want?

2nd VISITOR:

863
01:59:07,780 --> 01:59:12,362

He has an unpaid bill that needs payin'

So she's come to COLLECT SMITHY'S RENT ...

but he's also JOINED the CIRCUS and RUN AWAY with it ...

to avoid dealing with the PREGNANCY.

What's also interesting is what B (bsharp) says on another topic.

b suggested DERN having her UTERUS RIPPED with the SCREW DRIVER may also be a REFERENCE to the way the PREGNANT WIFE of the POLISH FRIEND of LYNCH also had her UTERUS RIPPED APART with a KNIFE ...

and OPENED UP by some WOMEN who were also suppose to be HYPNOTIZED ...

(like DORIS SIDE says she's been)...

by another EVIL PHANTOM named CHARLIE MASON.

b also mentions a JACK CONNECTION with this situation???

So does anyone know what kind of a connection JACK NICOLSON has to what happened to SHARON TATE???

Maybe JACK RABBIT who also says

HE HAS A SECRET when IE begins

is a SERIAL KILLER like JACK the RIPPER???

CHECK this out:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098936/board/thread/230032651?d=230557720#230557720

nikkiweir post:

So the hammer was used on Ronette...what, when he was smacking her right before she fell out the door and Mike tossed the ring in?

There's the sound of a heavy blow or two which could be from a hammer just before Ronette is thrown out the car. However, when Leland goes over to her his right (power)hand is empty, and both hands are empty when he throws her out. We know from the series that he can throw a knock-out punch to someone not used to getting hit. Since I haven't figured out the angles in the series pilot scene, I can't tell whether it appears that the hammer was found near that door, or elsewhere. (These scenes are rough going, but consider that some people painstakingly designed, acted, shot, and edited them.)

There are several double-overhead blows struck to Laura, some of which are clearly with a large knife (compare "numerous shallow wounds" etc.), other of which I can't tell even freezeframe whether a knife or hammer. We also know that Leland was calculating enough that he might even have taken the knife and left the hammer to try to confuse things. Also, a bludgeon was used on Teresa Banks.

But really, I think that everything about the forensic and postmortem exams up to the hasty burial was meant to suggest that important questions were not asked from the beginning. Even if the evidence was taken into custody, like the hammer or knife possibly, we never saw or heard of it again because it did not figure into the thinking. The savagery of the crime, which Hayward did admit to his wife briefly, does not seem to have been addressed in a way that might prompt hard thinking about who would do such a thing.

Even later, a fully justifiable question is asked of Ben Horne, concerning Audrey (trouble at home?), that seems never to have been asked of the Palmers; the comment about the knife came in response to a question about Maddy Ferguson and was used to shove Cooper off balance, the interrogators not having mentioned methods; even the seemingly thorough and unsentimental Albert Rosenfield mentions the animal marks, but not the presumably major knife wounds or any assessment of the size of a knife. Et cetera.

Part of the story is in these differences and omissions and really, whether we're aware of them or not I think explain the continuing fascination of the story.

SO ...

just like they BOTCHED UP the investigation in TWIN PEAKS ...

the COPS also seem to have SCREWED UP with the investigation of the MANSON MURDERS as well:

http://www.chasingmidnight.com/CMS/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=22&Itemid=46

Despite the criminal investigation already being well under way, no one had yet attempted to locate the whereabouts of the bloodied clothes. It was actually a news crew that read Susan Atkins confession and attempted to retrace what happened. They changed clothes in the car as the driver sped up Benedict canyon. At exactly six minutes and twenty seconds, they reached a point corresponding to the description where there was a mountain on one side and a ravine on the other. Amazingly they found all the bloodied clothes that the killers had worn, that the police somehow overlooked.

In addition to the PARALLEL situation where both TWIN PEAKS and the MASON MURDERS have incompetent cops investigating the matter ...

we also have still another LINK UP with what happens regarding the JACK the RIPPER case ...

due to the way the STREET ADDRESSES in LONDON were changed afterwards as a way to discourage SIGHT SEEERS from having access to the murder locations:

To discourage sightseers and those with a continued interest in Charles Manson the street address has now been changed to 10048. The address of the site of the other Manson murder house has also been changed.

This was where the killings of Rosemary and Leano Bianca occurred at 3301 Waverly Drive , this has now been changed to 3311. It reminds me of the way the original street names of the Jack the Ripper murder sites in London, England, had also been changed for the same reason, and this was done over a century ago.

COULD JACK the RIPPER/ BOB/ THE MYSTERY MAN/ THE PHANTOM all be the SAME ENTITY???

In LH the body is CUT in HALF near the area where the UTERUS is located.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_the_Ripper

As the murders were never solved, the legends surrounding them became a combination of genuine historical research, folklore, and pseudohistory. The term "ripperology" was coined to describe the study and analysis of the Ripper cases. There are now over one hundred theories about the Ripper's identity, and the murders have inspired multiple works of fiction.

So the TALE about JACK the RIPPER is also FOLKLORE as in A FOLK TALE.

And like in the MANSON case where they leave WRITING on the WALL (HELTER SKELTER from the BEATLES WHITE ALBUM), we also have WRITING on the WALL in the JACK the RIPPER case as well:

Some writing on the wall above the apron piece, which became known as the Goulston Street graffito, seemed to implicate a Jew or Jews, but it was unclear whether the graffito was written by the murderer as he dropped the apron piece, or merely incidental.[28] Police Commissioner Charles Warren feared the graffito might spark anti-semitic riots, and ordered it washed away before dawn

The 'Nemesis of Neglect': Jack the Ripper depicted as

a phantom

stalking Whitechapel, and as an embodiment of social neglect, in a Punch cartoon of 1888

So like MANSON'S PLAN was to blame the BLACKS for the MURDERS and start a RACE RIOT ...

JACK the RIPPER also leaves RACIST writing that the cops also FEAR would lead to a RACE RIOT???

And both in both cases the ADDRESSES were also CHANGED as a way to discourage tourist from finding the locations of the MURDERS???

AND JACK the RIPPER was also depicted

as a PHANTOM

???

[–] xxpo 10 years ago

nikkiweir post:

everything about the forensic and postmortem exams up to the hasty burial was meant to suggest that important questions were not asked from the beginning. Even if the evidence was taken into custody, like the hammer or knife possibly, we never saw or heard of it again because it did not figure into the thinking. The savagery of the crime, which Hayward did admit to his wife briefly, does not seem to have been addressed in a way that might prompt hard thinking about who would do such a thing.

So whereas the postmortem exam is botched up in TWIN PEAKS, in IE we never even get one for DERN or for any of the other DEAD BODIES that we see in MTTH (MUSTASH MAN, DEVON, the DORIS SIDE look alike).

We see what looks like HAMMER MARKS on the forehead of the MUSTASH MAN, and we see the INTENSTINE STICKING OUT of DEVON and the DORIS look a like, and the pools of blood in which they lay, but that's it.

No ambulance is called, no cops, no examination tables for us in IE, and once again NO IMPORTANT QUESTIONS are asked except for those we see the detective asking DORIS SIDE who has the SCREW DRIVER STUCK inside of her SIDE.

So ...

could DORIS SIDE already be DEAD in this scene???

Is it possible she's speaking to another version of MR. K that she visits AFTER DEATH who is in the role of a detective???

Maybe that's also the reason why we see NO BLOOD coming forth from the WOUND where the SCREW DRIVER is located???

Maybe whoever finds her body also wraps it up that way to hold the SCREW DRIVER in place during the POSTMORTEM EXAM that will be done on her body???

Could this scene just be the imagination of the examiner as he pretends to ASK her QUESTIONS about what's happened to her and why she has the SCREW DRIVER stuck in her SIDE???

[–] bsharporflat 10 years ago

b suggested DERN having her UTERUS RIPPED with the SCREW DRIVER may also be a REFERENCE to the way the PREGNANT WIFE of the POLISH FRIEND of LYNCH also had her UTERUS RIPPED APART with a KNIFE ...

and OPENED UP by some WOMEN who were also suppose to be HYPNOTIZED ...

(like DORIS SIDE says she's been)...

by another EVIL PHANTOM named CHARLIE MASON.

b also mentions a JACK CONNECTION with this situation???

So does anyone know what kind of a connection JACK NICOLSON has to what happened to SHARON TATE???

My guess is that the Jack Nicholson connection being referenced is the fact that in 1977, Roman Polanski was charged with rape of a 13 year old girl. This event happened in Jack Nicholson's house, on Mulholland Dr.

FWIW, David Lynch was one of the few who recently showed open and public support for the charges against Polanski being dropped after all these years so he could be allowed to come back to the USA.

[–] xxpo 10 years ago

I'll let the now DEPARTED LP reply back to you because xxpo also misses her and wishes she were still HERE and hadn't been RUN OFF by the other poster who was mean to her:

and if those thoughts seem strange and tangled and at times dis-jointed one has to remember that we are trying to syncronize our minds with the mind of David Lynch... so there is going to be a tangle and an overgrowth and marshes full of muck to slog through sometimes, but swamps can be cool... be kind to your friends in the swamp... a Duck could be somebody's mother...

Long live PALM TREES named LAURA!!!

So ...

could DORIS SIDE (or WHOEVER the WOMAN is in the WHITE SHORTS) already be DEAD in the scene where she meets the DETECTIVE???

Is it possible she's speaking to another version of MR. K that she visits AFTER DEATH who is in the role of a detective???

Maybe that's also the reason why we see NO BLOOD coming forth from the WOUND where the SCREW DRIVER is located???

Maybe whoever finds her body also wraps it up that way to hold the SCREW DRIVER in place during the POSTMORTEM EXAM that will be done on her body???

Could this scene just be the imagination of the examiner as he pretends to ASK her QUESTIONS about what's happened to her and why she has the SCREW DRIVER stuck in her SIDE???

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[–] xxpo 10 years ago

could DORIS SIDE (or WHOEVER the WOMAN is in the WHITE SHORTS) already be DEAD in the scene where she meets the DETECTIVE???

Is it possible she's speaking to another version of MR. K that she visits AFTER DEATH who is in the role of a detective???

Maybe that's also the reason why we see NO BLOOD coming forth from the WOUND where the SCREW DRIVER is located???

Maybe whoever finds her body also wraps it up that way to hold the SCREW DRIVER in place during the POSTMORTEM EXAM that will be done on her body???

Could this scene just be the imagination of the examiner as he pretends to ASK her QUESTIONS about what's happened to her and why she has the SCREW DRIVER stuck in her SIDE???

So that would also mean we have at least 3 MAIN CHARACTERS WHO all PLAY the SAME ROLES:

1. DERN

2. DORIS SIDE

3. JACK RABBIT

[–] xxpo 10 years ago

that would also mean we have at least 3 MAIN CHARACTERS WHO all PLAY the SAME ROLES:

1. DERN

2. DORIS SIDE

3. JACK RABBIT

But we also have NATASSJA in the other scene in MTTH who tells her how she's also been with BILLY who takes her to the FAKE TWIN COPY of the OLD HOTEL that's been created inside of the STAGE like SMITHY'S HOUSE.

So does that give us 4 MAIN CHARACTERS???

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[–] xxpo 9 years ago

But we also have NATASSJA in the other scene in MTTH who tells her how she's also been with BILLY who takes her to the FAKE TWIN COPY of the OLD HOTEL that's been created inside of the STAGE like SMITHY'S HOUSE.

So does that give us 4 MAIN CHARACTERS???

At the end of her DIALOGUE with DERN in MTTH, we also see JACK RABBIT leaving the HOTEL ROOM and walking on the STAIRS as if to indicate he's also just had SEX with Natassja.

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[–] xxpo 9 years ago

In other words,

NASTASSJA,

(the WOMAN WHO is NOT IN TROUBLE in this STORY)

like the OTHER character called

THE WOMAN in WHITE,

is still another CHRACTER that offers us PROOF that this is a story about MULITIPLE CHARACTERS and MULTIPLE MINDS,

rather than a story where all of the characters come from just ONE MIND

as SPEAR keeps insisting they do.

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[–] xxpo 9 years ago

At the end of her DIALOGUE with DERN in MTTH, we also see JACK RABBIT leaving the HOTEL ROOM and walking on the STAIRS as if to indicate he's also just had SEX with Natassja.

Wouldn't this also seem to indicate DEVON/BILLY is also a RABBIT who MORPHS back into his RABBIT FORM again AFTER MIDNIGHT.

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[–] xxpo 8 years ago

Wouldn't this also seem to indicate DEVON/BILLY is also a RABBIT who MORPHS back into his RABBIT FORM again AFTER MIDNIGHT.

The other scene where KINGSLEY says there's a problem with the light after the line where DEVON/BILLY SAYS:

DO YOU SEE

also seems to confirm the LITTLE BOY also has a PARALLEL STORY to that of the LITTLE GIRL when she's goes out to play.

Because the LOST GIRL also says DO YOU WANNA SEE before Lani and Lori take DERN through the window to the SNOWY STREET in POLAND.

So the LOST BOY must also get taken through the window to the SNOWY STREET at some point???

And he must also end up sitting there inside of ROOM 205???

And after the ACTRESS who takes him there has had some fun with him, maybe she also DUMPS him the same way as LOST GIRL was ABANDONED there ???

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[–] franzkabuki 12 years ago

No idea what you´re talking about. Maybe you should actually read the posts you´re replying to... or something.

"facts are stupid things" - Ronald Reagan

[–] xxpo 12 years ago

FYI:

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article/dvd-review-inland-empire?page=0,1

One of the deleted scenes on the Inland DVD opens, in black and white, with Dern's "assassin" [Julia Ormond] walking past the Alto Nido apartments - the seedy abode of Sunset sucker extraordinaire Joe Gillis.)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0043014/trivia

As Sunset Blvd. opens, William Holden's character Joe Gillis describes himself as a Hollywood screenwriter "living in an apartment house above Ivar Street." As the camera cranes up into the apartment, we can see it's the Alto Nido. The apartments, and the "Alto Nido" sign out front that is glimpsed briefly in the film, are still there today.

Who are you talking to Franz?

To EL or to me?

Or are you SPEAKING to the TROLL ...

THE PEST who keeps posting THINGS to this topic ...

inspite of the way it also knows it's on IGNORE ...

and that no one else but you has ADDRESSED or mentioned THEM???

Try to also remember the reason why the TROLL is here is to be a DISRUPTIVE influence ...

because IT IS also JEALOUS of the way in which it has NOTHING INTERESTING to say or contribute to the discussion.

So with the TROLL being here where it also knows it isn't wanted ...

it's also hard to tell who you're addressing ...

even when one uses the NEST option as a way to try to figure out who is being addressed by you.

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[–] Xav6101 12 years ago

sometimes I think some Lynch fans want to be as cryptic as Lynch sort of the emerging artist in us all, but obviously it doesn't work so well when you're just trying to talk about the movie among peers. At it's worst it can come off as very condescending. I call it the socratic movie talker, the one who, instead of just saying what they think, they speak in non-sequitors and ask questions in some hope that you will, some day, one day, come to the same conclusion they did.

xxpo does this.

so does that dude Xav, who, in every other way, seems like a nice guy. never called me a narcissist anyway.

@kmkMiller,

"No one understands what you are talking about." Remember this one? Weren't you the only one, who did not understand what I had written? That's not a friendly basis for a blossoming discussion, is it? Sure, sometimes I do not spell out every tiny detail, and every now and then I raise a question in stead of sharing what I know. But, when it comes to explaining what I mean, I never run away. A long time ago, I wrote a detailed and thorough analysis of this movie; the title of the thread was "INLAND EMPIRE for dummies". Some "regulars" did not appreciate this, and they started trolling by off-topic rants which were endless in length and meaningless in content. A little bit of irony won't do any harm and keeps me away from taking it all too seriously, whereas some narrow minded visitors may feel discontented.

Now, if you want a 'fair' discussion about the plot in this movie then try to find some argument why the woman in house 1358 can not be real. Or if you have an educated writing that convinces me that everything is unreal, show it to me.

Your reply to "The end of a dream", was very disappointing and your imitation of "Billy playing dumb" is annoying. You and others rant about Ockham's Razor, but when it comes to applying it in practice ignorance fills the virtual space.

Xav

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[–] Xav6101 12 years ago

but that was before i knew you wrote an analysis called "INLAND EMPIRE for dummies" and thus you lack grace and courtesy. i am glad that was before my time in the blogosphere.

Whoo!

Hoo hoo hoo hoo.

What a biting wit!

You naughty boy.

Are you hiding a smile?

Is your devilish mind scheming?

Mmm mmm?

all personifications of the Woman in Trouble are real.

Wow, Bob, Wow!

Xav

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[–] Xav6101 12 years ago

my develish mind isn't scheming, I'm waiting for you to say something worth listening to.

May I politely ask you to read the OP in "the end of a dream". That's not just a "one-liner", it's a train of thoughts, it's an attempt for a logical approach to distinguish real from unreal, which is not the same as you writing one sentence without any reasoning.

I'm agreeing w you Sue Blue is real in her low class suburban home. see? we agree.

No, you don't seem to understand that I separate the unnamed Woman in Trouble in house 1358 from both Nikki Grace and Susan Blue; they are imaginary figures.

Still waiting for you to PROVE, with absolute certainty, that Nikki, in her big masion, is unreal.

Sorry to disappoint you, for I can not "prove" anything. All you can ever ask for is falsification.

Still waiting. Cause you're the big "give me proof" dude here.

I think you misinterpret my words tremendously.

Xav

[–] xxpo 9 years ago

bumping up this post for mpack ...

because it may also be the DUMMIES TOPIC that he's looking for:

XAV to @kmkMiller,

"No one understands what you are talking about." Remember this one? Weren't you the only one, who did not understand what I had written? That's not a friendly basis for a blossoming discussion, is it? Sure, sometimes I do not spell out every tiny detail, and every now and then I raise a question in stead of sharing what I know. But, when it comes to explaining what I mean, I never run away.

A long time ago, I wrote a detailed and thorough analysis of this movie; the title of the thread was

"INLAND EMPIRE for dummies".

Some "regulars" did not appreciate this, and they started trolling by off-topic rants which were endless in length and meaningless in content. A little bit of irony won't do any harm and keeps me away from taking it all too seriously, whereas some narrow minded visitors may feel discontented.

Now, if you want a 'fair' discussion about the plot in this movie then try to find some argument why the woman in house 1358 can not be real. Or if you have an educated writing that convinces me that everything is unreal, show it to me.

Your reply to "The end of a dream", was very disappointing and your imitation of "Billy playing dumb" is annoying. You and others rant about Ockham's Razor, but when it comes to applying it in practice ignorance fills the virtual space.

Apparently this DUMMIES also topic isn't here anymore.

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[–] xxpo 12 years ago

Sorry Franz,

Also Forgot about how you probably DON'T HAVE the REGION ONE DVD which also includes the ALTO NIDO SCENE in the BONUS SECTION called MTTH.

IT's at the very end of MORE THINGS THAT HAPPENED that we see DORIS SIDE walk past the ALTO NIDO building with the NEON SIGN flashing ... which is also where THE BLACK DAHLIA use to live.

SCROLL DOWN a ways and you'll also see this LINK has PHOTO's of DORIS walking by the ALTO NIDO in the SCENES in MTTH:

http://pseudoccultmedia.blogspot.com/2008/12/surveilling-lynch-mob.html

It also says this:

In Inland Empire she is tormented hugely (see previously linked video) as the Phantom programs her for assassination, there is an interesting short clip from More Things That Happened showing her walking from Alto NIDO
[alter (I'm aware it's Italian having been schooled in music, but that is what's being hinted at imo)]

Nido (official site: 'Opened in 1930 as "Hollywood's Premiere Apartment Hotel" primarily for actors.') where she has presumably just been programmed before dissociatively walking in the middle of the road down towards Hollywood's lights (symbolic of MK'd Hollywood slaves as a whole imo; considering the hotel/apartment complex/bar was originally made for Hollywood actors).

And since LYNCH also makes REFERENCE to this same girl (ELIZABETH SHORT) in LOST HWY, in the BLOODY DISMEMBERED body parts scene, he also seems to be making still another reference to her again here in this other ALTO NIDO scene in MTTH.

So ...

just like we have REPORTERS and others who ACCUSED THE BLACK DAHLIA of being a PROSTITUTE ...

and of doing other things she'd never done ...

or having other things she didn't have (abnormal genital) ...

we also have OTHER POSTERS who HURL UNFOUNDED ACCUSATIONS at THE WOMAN in TROUBLE ...

and say things about her ...

that we also have NO EVIDENCE whatsoever for in the story ...

such as the UNFOUNDED CLAIM that she FEELS GUILTY for having BEEN UNFAITHFUL to her MATE ...

when she also CLEARLY STATES that SCREWING a couple of other guys for DRINKS was NO BIG DEAL.

SO the kind of TROUBLE she's in CLEARLY must also have something to do with this AXXON N STORY ...

and the way in which it seems to have TAKEN POSSESSION of her ...

probably also from her having IDENTIFIED with it so much that she can no longer tell the difference anymore about what is REAL and NOT REAL or happening or NOT REALLY HAPPENING anymore???

And we also have PROOF that this is what's happening in this scene where she says what she said SOUNDS LIKE DIALOGUE from the SCRIPT:

NIKKI
I don’t know.
DEVON
Tell me.
DEVON
What?
NIKKI
Something’s happened. I think my husband knows about you. About us. He’ll kill you. And me. He’ll…

NIKKI
DAMN! This sounds like dialogue from our script.

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SO ...

the kind of TROUBLE she's in CLEARLY must also have something to do with this AXXON N STORY ...

and the way in which it seems to have TAKEN POSSESSION of her ...

probably also from her having IDENTIFIED with it so much that she can no longer tell the difference anymore about what is REAL and NOT REAL or happening or NOT REALLY HAPPENING anymore???

And we also have PROOF that this is what's happening in this scene where she says what she said SOUNDS LIKE DIALOGUE from the SCRIPT:

NIKKI
I don’t know.
DEVON
Tell me.
DEVON
What?
NIKKI
Something’s happened. I think my husband knows about you. About us. He’ll kill you. And me. He’ll…

NIKKI
DAMN! This sounds like dialogue from our script.

THEN we also hear the CREEPY MUSIC and see her FREAKING OUT and looking into the CAMERA that looks like it comes from another DIFFERENT TIME ERA.

Then we also have the other scene where DEVON'S ALSO FREAKED OUT and is asking the PRODUCER of the film about the CURSE and DEATH of the 2 LEADS in the 47 VERSION of it.

And the PRODUCER also TELLS Devon everything KINGSLEY told Devon ABOUT the DEATHS of the other 2 LEADS in the GERMAN VERSION isn't TRUE.

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So ...

EITHER THE PRODUCER LIES or KINGSLEY LIES ...

AND IF KINGSLEY has LIED ...

then we also seem to have KINGSLEY and FREDDY playing JOKES and TRICKS on NIKI and DEVON ...

by telling them the STORY about the DEATHS of the OTHER 2 LEADS in the 47 VERSION ...

and by planting a CAMERA there that is from another DIFFERENT ERA and TIME FRAME in order to confuse and SCARE THEM even more ...

and since we also see DEVON FREAKED OUT and asking the PRODUCER questions ...

the same PRODUCER that we meet back in STAGE 32 during the MEET and GREET SCENE ...

we also know the JOKES that are being played are TAKING a TOLL on both DERN and JUSTIN ...

WHO ARE BOTH also beginning to think the STORY really is a CURSED ONE ...

and that they may also DIE ...

like KINGSLEY TELLS THEM the other 2 LEADS DID in the other film.

So once again THIS IS also THE MAIN REASON WHY WE HAVE a WOMAN in TROUBLE ...

because she also BELIEVES the STORY REALLY IS A CURSED ONE that will LEAD to her DEATH.

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Here's the TRANSCRIPTS WHERE KINGSLEY tells DEVON and DERN the MOVIE is CURSED:

Devon Berk: Kingsley, get to the point.

Kingsley Stewart: On High and Blue Tomorrows is in fact a remake.

Devon Berk: It's a remake?

Kingsley Stewart: Yeah.

Devon Berk: I wouldn't do a remake.

Kingsley Stewart: No, no, no, no. I know. Of course... but you didn't know. The original was under a different name. It was started, but never finished. Now, Freddy's found out that our producers know the history of this film and they have taken it upon themselves not to pass that information along to us. Purposefully. Of course, not me. I assume not to the two of you. True?

Nikki: No... absolutely. Nobody told me anything.

Devon Berk: No, me neither. I thought this was an original script.

Kingsley Stewart: Yeah... well... anyway, the film was never finished.

Nikki: I don't understand. Why wasn't it finished?

Kingsley Stewart: Well, after the characters have been filming for some time, they discovered something... something inside the story.

Devon Berk: Please. Kingsley.

Kingsley Stewart:

the two leads were murdered!

It was based on a Polish-Gypsy folk-tale.

The title in German was "Vier-Sieben: 47".

And it was said to be cursed.

So it turned out to be.

It's also at this point we see a WICKED LITTLE GRIN on FREDDY'S FACE ...

as if he's also IN ON THE JOKE that's being played on NIKI and Devon.

The other interesting thing to NOTE is the way NIKI also says NO ONE TOLD her ANYTHING ...

yet we also saw the NEW NEIGHBOR stop by who told her about the BRUTAL FKING MURDER that takes place in the film.

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So this is a WOMAN IN TROUBLE for not being able to PAY THE RENT ...

which means she ends up A HOMELESS BUM ...

on the streets of HOLLYWOOD.

And The MAIN TROUBLE she's in isn't directly due to the Adultry ... which she also sees as BEING NO BIG DEAL.

And she's also not IN TROUBLE for killing someone, because she'd also be IN JAIL if she'd BEEN CAUGHT doing that.

So the TROUBLE is the way she DOES DRUGS to CHASE AWAY the BLUES.

And doing DRUGS is probably also what leads to her SEEING THINGS that aren't REALLY there ...

like seeing DORIS HIDE behind the TREE ...

yet NONE of the other GIRLS she's with can see Doris there.

AND ...

SHE'S probably also been just AS OBSESSED with playing the AXXON N RECORD as the rest of us are with PLAYING THE IE DVD.

And CONSTANTLY playing it, along with the DRUG ABUSE, is probably also what's laid the MIND FK on her:

The thing is, I don’t know what was before or after. I don’t know what happened first. And it’s kinda laid a mind-fk on me

I went into a bad time … when I was watching everything go round me while I was standing in the middle. Watching it … like in a dark theater, before they bring the lights up. I’m sitting there … wondering, how can this be?

In other words,

SUE BLUE has had the BLUES.

Then she TAKES DRUGS to try to DRIVE them AWAY, but that leads to still MORE COMPLICATIONS or TROUBLES for her and only makes matters WORSE for her.

If anyone has ever seen a film called TRAIN SPOTTING, you'll also be familiar with the KIND of effect DRUGS can have on your mind.

In that film, for example, after the people doing drugs forget about a BABY in a crib who DIES from their NEGLECT of it, then one of the drug abusers also has a HALLUCINATION where he IMAGINES seeing the DEAD INFANT CRAWLING across the top of the CEILING over his bed.

This is probably also the same kind of thing that is wrong with this WOMAN in TROUBLE.

DERN probably also IMAGINES and sees things that are not really there ...

like IMAGINING she sees DORIS SIDE BEHIND the TREE on the WALK of FAME.

So this would be the KIND of TROUBLE she's in.

She's LOST HER MIND ... or her GRIP on REALITY ...

the same way as BETTY/D did in MD ... when she also IMAGINES she sees RITA/C standing in the KITCHEN ... and then IMAGINES she sees her again on the COUCH ... when RITA is NOT REALLY there.

At that time when BETTY sees IMAGINARY RITA she's A WOMAN in TROUBLE.

At the time when DERN sees IMAGINARY DORIS she's also a WOMAN in TROUBLE.

And MR. K saying HE LIKES PANCAKES also doesn't seem to be something that HELPS her either.

DOES IT???

And she's also there to see him because she said someone told her he could HELP HER???

[–] el-9984 12 years ago

If anyone has ever seen a film called TRAIN SPOTTING, you'll also be familiar with the KIND of effect DRUGS can have on your mind.

Better yet...see Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

[–] xxpo 12 years ago

Good point about the other movie called FEAR and LOATHING in LAS VEGAS being still another example of what DRUG USE can do to you EL. That scene where he checks into the HOTEL and sees the PATTERNS moving on the CARPET was AWESOME.

Have you seen the other story where PCP LACED POT is causing people to KILL KIDS now?

NJ man arrested in deadly attack on sleeping kids

By BRUCE SHIPKOWSKI Associated Press The Associated Press
Monday, September 3, 2012 12:20 PM EDT

TRENTON, N.J. (AP) — A man high on PCP-laced marijuana stabbed two neighborhood children in their home while they slept, killing a 6-year-old boy and critically wounding his 12-year-old sister

The attack was the second recent one in Camden, an impoverished city across the river from Philadelphia, involving a child and a suspect said to be high on PCP and marijuana.

On Aug. 22, 33-year-old Chevonne Thomas of Camden allegedly decapitated her 2-year-old toddler and then fatally stabbed herself after smoking a similar combination, known as "wet."
Laughlin said there have been several other murders in recent years in which PCP-laced marijuana has apparently played a role. He said the drug combination makes people incoherent, hallucinatory and, in some cases, violent

SOUNDS like something BOB from TWIN PEAKS might do.

Doesn't it???

What's also interesting is the how the PCP story sounds like the part of the story the WOMAN in TROUBLE tells MR. K about how the CHEMICAL PLANT was MAKING PEOPLE CRAZY:

He’d buy me a couple of drinks after. We’d talk, he’d tell me about the town he grew up in. All the little girls he *beep*

There was a chemical factory in this town, and he’d tell me it was putting so much *beep* in the air you couldn’t think straight. It got to a lot of the people. There was a lot of crazy *beep* going on there. People having weird dreams, seeing things that wasn’t there.

This one time, this one little girl. She was staring off at something one time. Starts screaming. The people hanging round come to her and ask what’s wrong, and uh, she says she sees the end of the world. All fire and smoke and blood running. You know, like they say, the wailing and the gnashing of the teeth.

So what happens to the SON this Woman mentions who DIES?

HOW DOES HE DIE?

Because we also see a TOY sitting OUTSIDE there in the YARD during the HOT DOG PARTY.

Anyhow, STILL ANOTHER QUESTION to ASK is this:

IS this WOMAN REALLY A WHORE ...

or does she SIMPLY FEEL like one ...

due to the way the ONLY TIME we ever see the SMITHY character pay any REAL

Attention TO HER ...

or spend any time with her when she's NOT BEING HIS SERVANT ...

and making HIS BREAKFAST ...

OR CLEANING his house ...

or complaining about BEER that tastes like PISS ...

or BRUTALLY BEATING HER ...

is the OTHER TIME when she GETS INTO BED with him.

So she's BASICALLY also INVISIBLE TO HIM for the MOST PART ...

DURING the REST of the time WHEN SHE'S IGNORED by him.

And when MR. K says HE LIKES PANCAKES ...

IS this or is this NOT also still another INDICATION that HE ISN'T REALLY PAYING ATTENTION to what she's saying either???

Because WHY ELSE would MR. K have said such a thing to her at a TIME when she's just told him about her MOTHER and the way in which she LOST HER HAND in that FACTORY ...

and almost BLEEDS TO DEATH because the people she works with ALMOST FORGOT to CALL an AMBULANCE???

ANYBODY have any ideas why MR. K would say something THAT MEAN and INSENSITIVE to her at this TIME when she's just told him about what happens to HER MOTHER ???

Is this scene also suppose to ILLUSTRATE how ALL MEN are LIKE THIS???

And that's also the REASON WHY SHE SAYS:

THERE WAS A MAN SHE ONCE KNEW ...

DOESN'T MATTER WHAT HIS NAME WAS ...

because what she means is ALL MEN are the SAME TO HER ...

DUE TO THE WAY SHE SEES ALL OF THEM as being INSENSITIVE NARCISSSTIC JERKS???

PLEASE ALSO NOTE THE WAY MR. K also only asked her ONE QUESTION ...

WHERE YOU IN FACT SEEING ANOTHER MAN ...

A QUESTION which also seems to indicate MR. K is still another MAN who ONLY sees her situation from A MALE POINT of VIEW ...

instead of his attempting to also try to UNDERSTAND or see the situation from HER POINT of VIEW ...

Or from one WHERE she FEELS INVISIBLE to her SELFISH WORTHLESS MATE ...

or LIKE she was HIS WHORE or his SEX SLAVE or his SERVANT ...

due to the way in which she is IGNORED BY HIM for the MOST PART.

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[–] xxpo 12 years ago

And when MR. K says HE LIKES PANCAKES ...

IS this or is this NOT also still another INDICATION that HE ISN'T REALLY PAYING ATTENTION to what she's saying either???

Because WHY ELSE would MR. K have said such a thing to her at a TIME when she's just told him about her MOTHER and the way in which she LOST HER HAND in that FACTORY ...

and almost BLEEDS TO DEATH because the people she works with ALMOST FORGOT to CALL an AMBULANCE???

Does anyone think MR. K may have deliberately said this to her on purpose as a way to TEST her to see if she'd attack him or not?

Because IF MR. K represents some kind of ST. PETER GUARDING the GATES ...

and conducting INTERVIEWS to see who GETS INSIDE of them or not ...

then this could also help to explain the reason why he'd say I LIKE PANCAKES as a way to TEST HER to see if she's learned her lesson enough to be let inside???

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[–] xxpo 12 years ago

It's also at this point we see a WICKED LITTLE GRIN on FREDDY'S FACE ...

as if he's also IN ON THE JOKE that's being played on NIKI and Devon.

The other interesting thing to NOTE is the way NIKI also says NO ONE TOLD her ANYTHING ...

yet we also saw the NEW NEIGHBOR stop by who told her about the BRUTAL FKING MURDER that takes place in the film.

SO ...

anybody have any ideas WHY DERN LIES to KINGSLEY when she says NO ONE TOLD HER ANYTHING?

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[–] xxpo 12 years ago

SO ...

anybody have any ideas WHY DERN LIES to KINGSLEY when she says NO ONE TOLD HER ANYTHING?

Neighbor: Is there a murder in your film?
Nikki: Uh, no. It's not part of the story.
Neighbor: No, I think you are wrong about that.
Nikki: No.
Neighbor: Brutal *beep* murder!
Nikki: I don't like this kind of talk; the things you've been saying. I think you should go now.
Neighbor: Yes. Me, I... I can't seem to remember if it's today, two days from now, or yesterday. I suppose if it was 9:45, I'd think it was after midnight! For instance, if today was tomorrow, you wouldn't even remember that you owed on an unpaid bill. Actions do have consequences.

And yet, there is the magic.

If it was tomorrow, you would be sitting over there.
[Neighbor points to Nikki's couch across the room]
Neighbor: Do you see?

Please note how The reason why DERN tells KINGSLEY NO ONE told her anything

is because of the MAGIC the NEW NEIGBHOR USES to show DERN a FUTURE TIME where she takes the part in a CURSED FILM ...

very much like the case where MARLEY shows SCROOGE a FUTURE TIME where TINY TIM dies.

So when SCROOGE CHOSE NOT to take that PATHWAY into the FUTURE TIME where TINY TIM dies ...

then it's also as if that FUTURE TIME had NEVER HAPPENED.

And that's also the reason why this DERN of the FUTURE TIME wouldn't have MET the NEW NEIGHBOR ...

or have been WARNED by her about the BRUTAL FKing murder that takes place in the AXXON N STORY.

PLEASE also NOTE how the FACE of LOST GIRL also MORPHS into being that of the NEW NEIGHBOR at the END of IE ...

which also indicates the POLISH SPEAKING NEW NEIGHBOR is most likely also an OLDER VERSION of LOST GIRL ...

who has come to WARN her about the PATHWAY she's about to TAKE into the FUTURE if she accepts the part in this CURSED FILM ...

just like MARILYN LEVENS also tried to WARN DERN about the kind of a WOLF that she has sitting inside of her DEN (so to speak).

So this is probably also THE MYSTERY that we see UNFOLDING ...

a situation where AN OLDER LOST GIRL is the NEW NEIGHBOR ...

who comes to warn another YOUNGER ACTRESS not to take the PART in the CURSED FILM ...

and then uses MAGIC as a way to show her what will happen to her if she does accept the part.

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[–] xxpo 12 years ago

Neighbor: Yes. Me, I... I can't seem to remember if it's today, two days from now, or yesterday.

I suppose if it was 9:45, I'd think it was after midnight! For instance, if today was tomorrow, you wouldn't even remember that you owed on an unpaid bill. Actions do have consequences.

And yet, there is the magic.

If it was tomorrow, you would be sitting over there.
[Neighbor points to Nikki's couch across the room]

Neighbor: Do you see?

BLUE SEX SCENE in SMITHY'S BEDROOM:

NIKKI
Oh, remember — remember I told you about this thing that happened?

It’s a story that happened yesterday, but I know it’s tomorrow.

DEVON
That doesn’t make sense.

I see this writing on metal. And I start remembering something. I’m remembering…and…ohh…this whole thing starts flooding in, this whole memory. I start to remember. And I-I don’t know. I don’t know what it is.

SMITHY'S HOUSE:

LANNI
Hey. Look at us and tell us if you’ve known us before.
…
SANDI
In the future…

DORI:
…you will be dreaming…

LORI:
… in a kind of sleep…

TERRI:
…when you open your eyes…
LANNI:
…someone familiar will be there.

FACE of LOST GIRL APPREARS FLOATING in MID AIR ...

along with the AXXON N RECORD PLAYING and LG saying:

DO YOU WANT TO SEE

SAME kind of LINES that WE also HEAR THE NEW NEIGHBOR SAYING to DERN inside of the PALACE setting.

So we go from THE NEW NEIGHBOR (OLDER VERSION of LOST GIRL) using MAGIC to SHOW DERN the FUTURE ...

and asking:

DO YOU SEE?

to LOST GIRL (YOUNGER VERSION) FLOATING IN MID AIR ...

with the AXXON N RECORD playing and her saying:

DO YOU WANT TO SEE?

And then DERN also UNCOVERS her EYES with her HANDS ...

to find herself standing on the SNOWY STREET of POLAND with LANI and LORI ...

who are also wearing their summer time LA clothing.

Later on we also see LANI standing on the WALK of FAME in HOLLYWOOD one moment ...

and then TRANPORTED INSTANTANEOUSLY to the SNOW COVERED STREET in POLAND the NEXT MOMENT (where we also see the CINDERELLA COACH drive by).

And we also see LOST GIRL standing there as well who says:

Look at me and tell me if you’ve known me before.

Which is also an ECHO of DEVON/BILLY telling SUE

he's NEVER KNOWN ANYONE LIKE HER BEFORE

which is also the PICK UP LINE HE'S USED ON HER ...

DURING the REHEARSAL FOR SCENE 35 inside of STAGE 4.

AND

falling for the PICK UP LINE is also a reason why THIS is a WOMAN IN TROUBLE.