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Griffin + Phoenix are cancers on society.

posted 17 years ago by da_gdog
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So phoenix yells and abuses a mother on the streets then steals the pram of her and smashes it...

So Griffin takes out a sledge hammer and smashes his own car before smashing other peioples cars in the surrounding area...

If u ask me, these two deserved to die, they are a cancer on society. Scum of the universe. How can they justify these criminal actions. So what if they were in love, u dont go around beating the crap out of other peoples cars, wat a phaggot. So yeah, i was very pleased with the outcome of the movie, knowing that scumbags like Griffin & Phoenix will eventually die because of their well earned terminal illnesses is very satisfying for myself. I for one, will certainly sleep well at night.

thank-you.

[–] kapok-tree 17 years ago

Brilliant post, my friend. Well thought out. Deserves the pulitzer prize. Yup.

[–] cathyv1950 17 years ago

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I doubt you'll find anyone around here to agree with you. Either you were just trying to stir up trouble, or you don't recognize fine dramatic performances and poignant story-telling when you see it. Either way, it's a shame.

Cathy

[–] fsilberstein 17 years ago

Thank you Cathy!! This post has been bothering me for days and I hesitated about replying to it. I could not decide whether the poster was serious or trying to be funny. Anyway, I totally agree with you. If the poster is serious, he/she just completely missed the point of the movie - which is a shame.

Faith

[–] cathyv1950 17 years ago

Faith, glad you agree. I don't know why someone would post something like this on a site that is frequented by Dermot admirers. Maybe he/she was just trying to cause trouble, in which case I shouldn't have taken the bait, but I couldn't resist.

Cathy

[–] fsilberstein 17 years ago

Cathy, I cannot even figure out if the original poster was criticizing the acting or the story. This is my favorite Dermot role, so like you, I think the acting and story were dramatic and poignant. What disturbs me about the initial post is the person's complete iniability to empathize with the pain and suffering of the characters. I am not condoning destroying property, but Griffin and Phoenix were each overcome with intense feelings of grief and impotence, which resulted in irrational behavior. I don't know how rationally I would behave in the same situation. Anyway, now I took the bait too.

Faith

[–] Extinctive 17 years ago

What do you expect from someone who nicks himself "da gdog"? This person never posts anything of much value.

[–] arc81 17 years ago

His nickname is "Da G-Dog". Need I say more?

[–] fsilberstein 17 years ago

Point taken.

[–] mxgerlof 17 years ago

marika

Hi Faith, I was looking through old posts and came across the one where you mentioned this post. I didn't make it to the board before now or I would have commented before this. I really think the original post was meant to stir up trouble and like you I don't understand why people get off on doing that. This movie touched me so deeply. Dermot's performance was one of his best and Amanda was fantastic. They were both very believable and right or wrong I think their actions were as you say acts of desperation. The irony of finding someone when you are dying has got to be frustrating, then to find out that they too are dying would be have to be devistating. This movie made me cry and laugh and finally to see just how precious life is. Pettyness and hatred are such a waste of that time. So to the original poster, I'm sorry you missed the point of this story, it's one you truly need to understand.

[–] fsilberstein 17 years ago

Well put Marika!

[–] CalloftheWild619 17 years ago

If you ask me, it was funny that they did that. In real life, people would normally protest their actions because having cancer doesn't give you the right to do those things to other people or their property but in the movie, the viewer sympathizes, or empathizes, with them, and that's the irony of all that. Thus, irony has a comedic element to it due to its absurdity of the situation. Even so, it's not wrong to be angry in their situation, but if you're going to ventilate your anger and frustration, better to do it towards objects than people.

[–] RottenBeauty 17 years ago

*nod* During the scene I actually wondered what it would be like to be the person who's car you just smashed in. Most of those cars looked pretty nice, so I'm guessing they are insured. Which takes care of the financial side.

I came to the conclusion that while I would still be a little angry, I couldn't help but feel sorry for him. I've assisted in nursing two relatives suffering from cancer . . .it's a horrid, unfair disease. It doesn't discriminate between good and bad, right and wrong or young and old. It just takes.

They were both suffering, it's understandable. The same as when someone has a bad day and they yell at somebody. Only multiply that bad day by a 1000. It's kinda understandable.

Don't judge me, Jesus says not to!

[–] alison1963 16 years ago

I thought the point of the scene where he smashes the cars harped back to when he told Phoenix that taking out her anger on other people and/or their property was not the answer; she replied that his problem was that he still believed there was an answer. The scene, in my view, indicates that he finally realises that there is no answer.

Or am i digging too deep? !!

"If you build it, he will come"

[–] CalloftheWild619 16 years ago

I think you're right! He might have realized the "injustice of it all" and vents his newfound frustration. This would signify character development as he changes his beliefs.

[–] julianec4 17 years ago

I thought this was a very well-done movie and I am glad that the DVD will be available for purchase soon.

You'd think da_gdog would have compassion if not understanding for Griffin's reaction, also that of Phoenix. The best thing you can do is pull this garbage of an opinion from this Board! I shudder to think what this person's reaction would be to real-life victims.

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[–] Dorianofkoln 17 years ago

Wow… This was truly a beautiful movie, made me cry a few times.

Too bad the OP is to blind and dead inside to see that.

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[–] fsilberstein 17 years ago

Well put!! It is one of my favorite movies. I bought it on DVD back in April and did not receive it until July. It was worth the wait.