Meat is god damn tasty! and I've had a few vegans say to me I shouldn't eat meat because that not very moral. Well in my opinion they aren't any better than me with killing the plants and vegetation to feed themselves which leads to an already increasing problem of decreasing oxygen levels which trees give out to our lovely world, so yes I will continue to eat my meat!
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^ Ha ha ha! Hey, I'm a vegan, and I don't care what anyone tells me, I'm not gonna stop eating trees.
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Seriously, the problem isn't vegans. What you eat is a personal decision and I think you will find meat eaters don't care if you want to eat a vegan diet.
The problem is that vegans can't STFU about being vegan and they try to tell the rest of us we are not moral and that we shouldn't eat meat.
The problem isn't veganism it's that THERE ARE NO QUIET VEGANS. Shut up and eat your veggies and leave the rest of us alone and we will afford you the same respect.
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Your lack of intelligence is simply amazing. Either one of two things are happening. One, you are a troll, or second, you really are that unintelligent. I really hope it's the first, because if it is the second, you are going to have a very hard life.
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This isn't a troll thread; you are just making an assumption which is even less intelligent on your behalf. My thread merely justifies that vegans are no less guilty than meat eaters.
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Then you are the second option. That answers my questions and those of probably just about everyone else who reads your original post.
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Gabriel Uhrich I’ll say it again, you are no more intelligent yourself by telling me I'm less intelligent just by making an assumption. Hence your post is pointless.
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tweek_kicks_ass, you're right, the insults here are useless and foolish. I think the trouble people are having with your posts here is that you're making arguments that are not only counterintuitive, but have also been proven wrong extensively.
Basically, people who eat animal products of any kind, unless they're obtaining these through direct means, are contributing to environmental devastation in various ways to a far greater degree than vegans. For one thing, consider that the average person eats roughly their weight in food each month (about 120 pounds). So, given that animals have a similar need to eat several times their weight in food over the course of a year, each vegan is eating a lot of vegetables, while each meat-eater is eating a lot of animals who in turn each ate a lot of vegetables ... so, meat-eaters end up consuming many times more vegetables than vegans do.
To give just one example of this, here's a great article on soybeans and how the world's increasing demand for meat and animal products has not only inverted this aspect of Chinese and Japanese culture, but is giving rise to rainforest destruction in Brazil.
http://www.grist.org/article/growing-demand-for-soybeans-threatens-ama zon-rainforest
If you have some free time, give it a read and let me know what you think.
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>>Basically, people who eat animal products of any kind, unless they're obtaining these through direct means, are contributing to environmental devastation in various ways to a far greater degree than vegans.<<
^"I think the trouble people are having with your posts here is that you're making arguments that are not only counterintuitive, but have also been proven wrong extensively. "
You're full of it.
In any case, if we subscribe to the insepidly stupid lack of logic that it's "murder" to kill one animal to consume it's meat, then veganism, which requires the killing of THOUSANDS for one crop of animal ranging from insects to birds to rodents to game animals through poisons, shootings, traps, machinery (when all they wanted to do was to keep eat those vegetables), ETC ETC ETC must be considered akin to genocide.
Veganism is one of the most wishy-washy, self-defeating philosophies one can have.
It's not a philosophy, it's a diet.
But if we want to talk philosophy, the carnivore's philosophy is pretty weak also. It consists of pretending that animals don't have thoughts or feelings, so that you can keep on murdering them without feeling bad about it. Criticizing vegans doesn't change that fact.
"In any case, if we subscribe to the insepidly stupid lack of logic that it's "murder" to kill one animal to consume it's meat, then veganism, which requires the killing of THOUSANDS for one crop of animal ranging from insects to birds to rodents to game animals through poisons, shootings, traps, machinery (when all they wanted to do was to keep eat those vegetables), ETC ETC ETC must be considered akin to genocide."
I think what you meant to say was that vegans are responsible for killing off crops that animals would be dependent upon? If that is the case, it is far from the truth. When you gain a fruit or vegetable from a plant, you do not actually kill it. The plant can produce many fruits and vegetables within a lifetime without being harmed. In fact, the plant is dependent on animals to distribute seeds to, in turn, grow more of its kind.
Carnivores were meant to keep herbivores in check; however, with the population rise of omnivorous species, like humans, it is actually worse for the environment and it is not just about morals. We have led to the extinction of many other carnivores as we have taken over. Additionally, more animals means more crops need to be planted and thus, they end up being genetically modified, which makes their quality a lot worse than the real thing. The amount of waste and pollution caused by domesticating animals for food means more pollution is released into the air. The plants that maintained the balance of what we need to live may actually find it hard to keep this balance and sooner or later, it will lead to the omnivore and carnivore demise.
Remember, you can be an omnivore/carnivore; however, the further you are up in the food chain and what your diet entails, also tells of how long you will live. With a few exceptions, herbivores outlive carnivores and omnivores. Structurally, there is less energy acquired from eating meat than eating a fruit/vegetable diet.
If our body was an engine, you would be getting more energy per fruit/vegetable than meat. It's kind of like unleaded gas with crap vs. unleaded gas with detergent.
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Actually, if you count dead animals, trees can sometimes eat meat as well. So, if we are to avoid eating animals and plants, what instead are we to eat?
I have no problem with vegans or vegetarians eating what they want to, so long as I am allowed to eat what I wish. I don't believe that many meat processors treat the animals in a human way, but some do a decent job of it.
The real problem I see when people get all up in arms about this sort of thing, is bad targeting. PETA is angry with KFC (who I used to work for btw) because of their unethical treatment of chickens. There is even a website for Kfc cruelty on the subject. However, KFC doesn't raise their own chickens. They buy them from a company who does. I believe (if memory serves) that our chicken came from Foster Farms. This is the company that PETA should have been going after, not attacking KFC by starting protests outside of KFC's.
I didn't even like working for KFC much, but I do believe in placing blame where it is due.
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It's a tough call. In either instance, it is population dependent, not diet dependent. Morally, it would be acceptable because every human has different diets. Some humans grew up in countries where sea was plentiful, some grew up where land animals were plentiful, and others grew in areas where vegetables were plentiful.
With respect to how our population grew, it threw the entire ecosystem off balance and it was because of the invention of the vaccine. Technically, if we lived like other animals, nature would kill us off, leaving only a few fit individuals. Because of our population, we have had to genetically modify plants and animals.
Now purely to put the blame on one side, I would say the carnviores/meat eaters. Why? Because through our efforts to hunt, we actually endangered TONS of animals. Meat eaters do not only eat animals, they kill for game. Unlike other carnivores, nature made it such that every animal was in check. Granted, some probably went extinct on their own; however, I am betting it was a lot less than when humans arrived.
In terms of herbivores, we are not really killing anything. Fruits are actually wasteful to the plant. If you do not cut off a fruit, it actually goes to waste. They need you to be able to distribute that seed. Then again, humans are still at fault because it is due to feeding our population. Because we have to feed everyone, vegetarians are inflating the available fruit and vegetable supply; therefore, making everything genetically modified. Genetically modified is worse in quality than the actual pure plant.
In terms of oxygen vs. CO2, meat eaters are still to blame. If you watched the movie and read the book on this, you would know that lagoons filled with cow crap is very detrimental to health. Having a mass amount of animals leads to more pollution overall. The only drawback for being a vegetarian is maybe uploading a few plants that would decrease the O2, yet, it is not as bad as all the gases released from a surplus of animals.
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