The kissing...


Why woyld Alexandria kiss Roy in an erotic way (in the lips). She knows that that's the way couples kiss, since she asked him to make the Black Bandit and Nurse Evelyn kiss.
I thought it was a little disturbing.

Sorry for my English, not my first language

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Kissing on the lips is not necessarily erotic. It was just a quick peck, a gesture of affection. People kiss on the lips for many reasons that have nothing to do with eroticism.

And if you are concerned about the young actress, it is revealed in commentary that she didn't actually kiss the actor on the lips. She kissed him on the chin. The shot was blocked by her hat.

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Of course, she wouldn't kiss him on the lips. It was just that she seemed to know that people in love kiss that way. Don't want to sound weird. Sorry. I loved the movie.

Sorry for my English, not my first language

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She didn't kiss him like she was in love with him. She just gave him a quick kiss. She thought he was sleeping so it was really almost like a goodnight kiss. Nothing to do with erotic love. Just affection.

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She thought he was sleeping so it was really almost like a goodnight kiss.


While I think Alexandria had a crush on Roy I think this is the acutal meaning of the kiss. She knew that he was asleep.

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She was 5 years old. She did not have a "crush" on anyone. It is just you imagining that to be the case. I like how the ugliness of people gets exposed in situations like this.

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I don't know if she had a crush on him or not. Maybe she did, maybe she thought of him more as a surrogate father. But, if she did have a crush on him, what would be ugly about that?

I had my first crush when I was 5. It was totally innocent.

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I thought she saw him more as a father figure than a crush.

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She was less than 6 when she started the movie shoot. All Kids kiss their parents and uncles and aunties on the lips. I found her very adorable and playful with a cute face. The point is, it's absurd to think anything other than, A father and daughter type friendship.

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Mmmm, not so sure on that, thing is the scene was being intermixed with the fantasy where it was the love interest kissing him, some of the mixing of the reality/fantasy I understood, but I did find it odd that they kept interlacing the little girl with the love interest, before you dismiss it outright a lot of kinky stuff goes on in Hollywood, so I'd like to think it's innocent, but you never know.

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Yo Buddy. There are certain things in life that only you can understand with your thinking. Now do you want to be a human who loves kids that you feel responsible as a Big brother, A father or an Uncle? It's our responsibility to pass on our experiences and knowledge that we gained from our lives on this planet. You could also be a pedophile( Yuck ) who could destroy a child's life ,who cannot defend him or herself. This is a beautiful world where we all are going to die. But a wonderful thought to do one's best to make it better for our coming generation.A Human should be a defender of women and animals who are weak and less stronger than us. To me The little girl was someone very innocent and beautiful that we all need around us in this corrupt world. It's the children and innocent animals in this world who will. prick our conscience in this corrupt and horrible world one day.

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What does that have to do with anything I said?

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Well the fantasy scene was meant to be how the little girl imagined the story embodied. She did have a little crush on him, as did the actress apparently, but that doesn't really mean that she couldn't also have seen him as a father figure. Just as others have pointed out on this thread, a 5 year old girl's crush is perfectly innocent. There is no lust or eroticism tied to her admiration for him. So that admiration could easily mean either or both.

Really, they say most people learn what to look for in a mate from their parents' behaviors, because it's who taught them what to expect from romance. There isn't anything weird about a small child finding a placeholder for both in one temporary friendship. Nor do I think there is there anything weird in how the movie portrayed it.

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Again, maybe it is innocent, but you never know with Hollywood, personally if I was involved with the writing I would have said let's just not even go there, innocent or not.

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Again, maybe it is innocent, but you never know with Hollywood,

You are reading too much into it, in my opinion. And your view of Hollywood seems to be that it is Babylon, or Sodom and Gomorrah.

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You might want to google "Prime Time Propaganda".

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Hello, Motter.

I understand what you are asking and saying about being careful about "Hollywood" situations. I agree with you completely about the extra care that needs to be taken because of what has happened in the past and is probably happening today.

In the situation of The Fall, there are several issues that are very different that evidently played a large part in the relationship with Lee Pace and the child actor.

First and very important is that Hollywood evidently had not a penny, nickel, dime, or dollar invested in this film's production. Tarsen Singh paid for it entirely from his savings and the sale of most everything he owned. Even his home was being sold and he had completed the film just prior to that happening.

Second, the film - unlike most every other film made - was shot in story sequence. She and everyone else in production were told that Lee was actually paralysed, so she truly believed he was an invalid. Until the concluding scenes when she joins in the story in similar costume, frees The Bandit, and the fight takes place in the fort, she was not told that he had been pretending.

Third, as a young child (four, then five) she became attached to him emotionally. It is not unusual for youngster of either sex to love those who have been kind to them. Depending on the child's culture,affection - as others have described - are common place actions. At that time in the film, she still had the weird cast and brace on her right arm. Leaning across to kiss him while he was sleeping looked awkward to me because of balance. I actually wondered (as it happened) how many shots needed to be made since she could have fallen across him in the effort.

Finally, the store clearly weaves hers as dealing with the loss of her father, her grief that children are not seldom assisted in handling, and both of Lee's characters becoming a father figure. From what I have read, her interruption of his story was not planned, yet as she began intruding it in the filming, Tarsen realized how good it was and rewrote the latter part to make her The Bandit's daughter.

I agree that she probably had a crush on Lee personally because he was very sweet and gentle with her. Everyone was protective of her; however, the only person with whom he had more time was Mr. Singh. In featurettes, you can see her standing close to Lee and often holding his hand. When a young child's imagination is not blunted, diminished, or smothered, it will become a healthy part of the adult individual.

Eastern Europe, Russia, and the Asian countries to the East have a more vivid and lengthy history of story telling being part of their cultures than we do in the West. Oral tradition is a way of life for them in a manner that American Indians would understand, but not many others here, sadly. :(

In all reports, from the beginning of the film until the latter stages when they were filming the final parts of The Bandit's story, she had as little exposure to the crew, cameras, and technical aspects of the process as they could manage so it much of it was a fantasy that she experienced. Some have said that was manipulation of her. The only "manipulation" was a decision to minimise the amount of machinery and the hoard of people from breaking her focus.

Mr. Singh tells of how they positioned the cameras behind sheets, doors, and other structure to make them less distracting to her during their time at the hospital. Once they left that location and it was revealed to her that Lee had no paralysis, the cameras and equipment were front and center as usual. Definitely easier for everyone.

This is much longer than I expected to say that I agree with your concerns and that in this specific situation, the child was well cared for during the entire process. She was the star around which all of the others rotated. Two extras being that this was Tarsen life-long project of his own creation and funding, and second, it was not Hollywood or even Bollywood. It was completely independent.





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When watching the film it looked like she was just pecking him as he slept and I could make out that she kissed him on the chin. Either way, in some cultures even men kiss each other on the lips in a non-erotic totally platonic way. I think you're reading too far into it.

edit: Fixed a typo. It was annoying me.

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She actually kissed him on the chin. It was told in the DVD extra.

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A lot of cultures kiss each other on the lips without associating to eroticism or sex. I kiss my parents on the lips often.


Michael Corleone confronts his brother's betrayal in TGF2 with a kiss on the lips, it wasn't meant to be erotic.



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It's still on Amazon.

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Could be anything, this was just a innocent act. Probably for likewise father or a crush.

Did you watched (The Hunt aka Jagten (2012)) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2106476/

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It is just you imagining that to be the case. I like how the ugliness of people gets exposed in situations like this.


Precisely! people often reveal more about themselves with the questions they ask.

To imply the simplistic presumption that a kiss on the lips can only be erotic shows a lack of emotional understanding and I'm not trying to be rude, but the fact you found it disturbing suggests there may be something within you that needs to be addressed.

Children are like people, just smaller. Some are tactile by nature, some don't show affection outwardly. Many children across the world, boys and girls kiss their fathers and mothers on the lips.
Also; there was an obvious genuine friendship between the two actors; Children aren't naturally perverted, they don't even understand the concept of 'erotic' at such a young age.

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I'm sorry, but I am offended, even if by a little, that's why I'm answering this thread after 2 years. I'm a special educator and a social worker. I work with children only, for the last 7 years, I got my first degree. As for the erotic feeling from Alexandria's part, she was 6-7. I didn't imply an erotic meaning on the kiss, but from what I know, children usually kiss their mothers on the lips, and noone else by that age (they usually stop that by the age of 4 - at least in my country). Even if so, just because some children may kiss both their parents on the lips, doesn't mean she should feel the same way for Roy, no matter their relationship.
I didn't talk about the actors and believe me, I didn't find it as disturbing as some friends of mine who watched the movie with me (my third viewing, their first).
As for the ugliness mentioned, it was rude mentioned once, it is rude of you to repeat it. It's not a simplistic presumption I'm ashamed that a person cannot have an actual conversation, about soething so simple, without making a big deal out of it and without being attacked and accused of having "something within you that needs to be addressed".


Sorry for my English, not my first language 

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I meant no offense but....
You shouldn't be offended, especially if my assumptions about you have no truth, furthermore I'm a random stranger on the internet.

I could only base my assumptions off what you wrote and now you've clarified that you didn't mean to imply an erotic meaning on the kiss I have to put the way you expressed it originally down to the fact that English is not your first language.

Words are very powerful and it is easy to be misunderstood if you don't use them in the correct way, this is not your fault in this case of course.
But you can understand the reaction as initially you said;

Why woyld Alexandria kiss Roy in an erotic way (in the lips). She knows that that's the way couples kiss

Which implies that kissing someone on the lips can only be erotic and why I assumed that it would be quite odd if an adult did not understand this to be false (perhaps due to issues that need addressing). That wasn't intended to be disrespectful, everyone has some issue somehow in the subconscious mind, human nature is complex. It also implied that a child understood what erotic was.

That's why I called it simplistic as an assumption as we know there are many types of love, even the Greeks & other ancient civilisations have a whole host of deities to express the different types of love (erotic is just one type, hence Eros).

I have an adult colleague that kisses their grandmother on the lips, I don't see nothing wrong with that, it's not like it lasts an awkwardly long time or they stick their tongue in! I respect that there are cultural differences & after all reality is all about how we each perceive things.

just because some children may kiss both their parents on the lips, doesn't mean she should feel the same way for Roy, no matter their relationship


I believe the girl was partially acting, but many of her reactions were genuine (not in character). As for Roy, I think it's understandable that Alexandria's character would feel that way toward Roy as he was her surrogate father, replacing her real one that "the angry men" killed.
So I believe her character & the actual actress became fond of Lee Pace/Roy and she was just showing affection the way she knows how to - Children tend to mimic behaviour so she may even have learned this in real life from family and friends - but in my opinion, it is always more important to analyse the intent and not the content (we know it wasn't actually on the lips but it doesn't make a difference really).


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She didn't kiss him on the lips. Lee Pace said in the commentary she kissed his chin, her hat just makes it look like she kissed his lips. Alexandria sees Roy as a father figure, she even calls him dad in the story. Nothing sexual about it.

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I understand what you're saying, but truly, even if she did kiss him on the mouth, it was innocent. She was just a little girl.

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