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That pig journalist! [spoilers]


I've just watched this excellent documentary and cannot believe that hack who sold the logbooks to a London paper, AND bluntly told the widow the journey was fake and her husband killed himself!

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What about the financial backer?

"If you fail to complete the course for any reason you have to pay for the boat."

So, if the boat had been sunk by heavy weather in the roaring forties and Crowhurst had, by some miracle, survived he would still have been ruined? Ruddy hell!

"The hour is come but not the man"

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You couldn't help feeling for crowhurst, financially being at the mercy of two such ruthless charactors as the hack [theres a surprise] and the backer, especially the low life journalist.

Fine documentary made me look a bit more into this story and the huge pressure put on the man, some of it of course self inflicted,his life being caught in a pincer movement..truly tragic for him and his family.

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i might be wrong, but i think it was stated that crowhurst couldn't quit the race up to a certain point but the film didn't say exactly when that point was. And, something tells me that sinking would have been a legal way out of the contract.

but, putting myself into the story, i would have turned back & simply had the contract voided since the purchase was for a boat THAT COULD GO LONGER THAN 13 DAYS WITHOUT FALLING APART. the film stated that was actually the time when crowhurst logged the boat defects i.e. wind vane steering assembly.

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As easy as it is to take the moral high ground and register indignation toward Rodney Hallworth -- Crowhurst's press agent and reporter for the London 'Sunday Times' -- it might be helpful to step back and realize what that all entails.

I agree that Hallworth's tactics were tasteless and his character flawed, but conversely I really love the film and find the story completely fascinating. That said, we must recognize one crucuial fact: if he hadn't sold the log books, the truth about Donald Crowhurst's tragic story never would have been told.

Does that make me (or us) party to Hallworth's actions for taking such enjoyment in a film about a man's mental disintegration and eventual demise? I'm not sure. Maybe it does.

My point is simply that a snap judgment against a man for doing something that we're implicitly glad he did, seems incorrect.

Perhaps I'm not speaking for the majority, however. If there are other opinions, I'd be curious to hear them!

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I personally am of a divided opinion about both Stanley Best (Sponsor) and Rodney Hallworth (publicist).

In their defense, the sponsor had a right to expect performance if he was handing out a large amount of cash to build a boat. And, after having read the very well written book " Voyage for Madmen, " I understand the details which simply were that Crowhurst was given a LOAN against his house. Thus, he put himself in the bind by asking for the money. Banks make loans like that every day. Crowhurst was clearly demonstrating cold feet and Stanley Best couldn't be blamed for protecting his funds. Imagine if he had handed over the cash & watched Crowhurst throw up his hands & decide not to go. Best would have been stuck with a boat and boats are not easy to sell.

The publicist was really nothing more than a "reporter" as described in the book who had started his own little "news" operation. I did some quick research on him yesterday & could only find one reference to him. In 1983, he authored a book about a possible serial killer in that part of England (possible because he was never convicted but heavily suspected).

Crowhurst was a man who was a dreamer of sorts. And dreaming of an around the world adventure is one thing. Doing it is another. His story was interesting because he was crumbling before the eyes of everyone watching. Even the townsfolk around the harbor of Teignmouth were mocking him as being unfit for the task. The book said that the papers only mentioned him as a contender one time and there was a very sad photo of him & his wife pouring a glass of wine in celebration prior to his leaving: just him & his wife and somebody holding the camera. Very sad.

On the flip side of Crowhurst's defense, he was caught in a multitude of lies even before the trip began. He claimed his boat design was "revolutionary" when the plans for it were intentionally being marketed to backyard homebuilders in kit form. He claimed his electronic devices that would be used to handle the boat were "patented" when they were not even developed. He had been "asked" to leave the Air Force and then later was discharged from the Army for "disciplinary" reasons. He and his wife had very shaky finances and yet chose to have FOUR children they obviously could not afford. Crowhurst made a lot of bad decisions. In the end, his bad decisions simply overwhelmed him and he lost his life to either suicide or accidentally falling overboard.

If anyone has information on the suicide being filmed, please respond. One person on this board claims to have seen film footage of the suicide as Crowhurst intentionally jumped overboard in front of the camera.

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I think this is a very decent summary of the story. When watching the film I was struck by Hallworth's associate saying they suddenly realised Crowhurst had no sailing experience worth talking about, yet there he is in the interviews talking about the rigours of ocean racing (ironically saying "one's psychology must be fairly stable"). As you say, the Devon fishermen had no belief on him at all - that false start when the mast fouled must have tickled them no end. They probably expected him back in harbour in a week.

As for the boat, I'd like to know how that boatyard stayed in business. Their workmanship seems to have been shocking (although they were working to a very short deadline and no chance for real trials; I think Chichester had major problems with Gypsy Moth IV he could never get right, mainly leaks). The latest edition of "The Strange Last Voyage of Donald Crowhurst" tries to make the case that he was simply a man ahead of his time and that the innovations he was trying to develop and pioneer have now come to pass. If you read this reply I'd be interested to know your views on this.

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dude you can't fault him for having four kids. children just happen.

You lost today, kid. But that doesn't mean you have to like it.

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really, children 'just happen'? i'd love to know on which planet.

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Well, remember this is how Hallworth's actions are represented in the film. Can anyone here claim to know the whole story? Can we say with any degree of certainty that the film maker's assessment of events is exactly as they happened? None of us is omniscient. Of course, when there's no bad guy it's pretty easy to turn to everyone's favourite Aunt Sally: the press. I'm not going to pretend for a minute that Hallworth's actions, as described in the film, were defensible but the truth is that there is very little we actually know about the man, other than that he was promoting Crowhurst and probably had to endure no small amount of professional embarrassment himself.

It's pretty easy to make superficial judgements based on very limited information. Hallworth, like all journalists, will always be a lightning rod for moral indignation and probably knew this the day he took Crowhurst on. You put yourself out there to be criticised and that's what happens. Journalists are human too.

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Wow, what a discussion here about this movie.

I just finished watching it on NetFlix.

Crowhurst was crazy to believe he could make a voyage like that.

With all those problems I'm amazed that he got as far as he did, or
if he did.

I have to wonder if he did not escape somehow, maybe catch a ride
on a passing freighter?

And what about the French dude who just kept on sailing?

What a story. A totally bad deal, bad idea, and bad outcome all around.










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4/5 Good, but I would not want to watch it again. Tentatively recommend to anyone who might be interested, but not generally. What a story though ... and I just have to think that he may have left his boat to go get plastic surgery in Argentina or something! ;-) How about you?








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Well, he was smart enough to pull into Brazil for repairs.
Did he even have a lifeboat?









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yeah, he was worse

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Does anyone know what happened to Hallworth? Is he still alive? I did a little a digging online and found that before the deal with Crowhurst, he was noted as a crime reporter. Yet, there were no further details about his later career.

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