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In 1911, why didn't Chang free Ah Mei?


Ebert writes in his review that Chang didn't notice that Ah Mei had fallen for him. I think that's wrong, based on the scene when she cries - he surely noticed then if he hadn't figured it out before.

In James Berardinelli's review he writes that "He has promised her freedom, but she is so important to him that he cannot bear to let her go." When I watched the film, I thought it wasn't his decision directly, but rather the madam's. But by helping Spring he did cause Ah Mei to be stuck in the brothel.

So, had Chang really promised Ah Mei's freedom?

Did he consciously free Spring so that Ah Mei would be stuck?

If so, why? If she would have been freed to marry, HE could have married her. Why keep her in the brothel? Perhaps because he wouldn't want to be seen marrying a former courtesan? But that's not exactly clear in the film.

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To answer your first two questions, first, Chang had never promised Ah Mei's freedom because he wouldn't have wanted to, and second, he freed Spring because he opposed the tradition of having concubines.

Chang would't marry Mei because he had a higher aspiration--seeking his *beep* freedom, which was a popular activity among young intelligentsia. There's an interesting similarity between Chang and the courtesan, though. Chang, who'd been seeking to free Taiwan, finally saw it turned into Janpanese's hand, and Mei, who'd been seeking to free herself, finally saw another lady freed with Chang's money.

Hope the above helps.

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> he freed Spring because he opposed the tradition of having concubines.

He freed the girl in spite of the fact (and not because) he opposed the tradition of having concubines. That's what it says in the original Chinese intertitles. Someone has messed up the English subtitles big time. No wonder people are misunderstanding this movie!

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> Chang, who'd been seeking to free Taiwan, finally saw it turned into Janpanese's hand

Oops, mistake again. Taiwan was ceded to Japan in 1895, so Chang did not "finally saw it turned into Janpanese's hand". In 1911, Taiwan was already part of Japan. The Wuchang uprising was against the Manchus.

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furthermore, the class difference would've prevented chang from marrying her if he had freed her.

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His political aspirations overroad his love for her. Plus, he was a bit of a hypocrite, wasn't he?

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All those Western critics...got it wrong obviously. :)

Firstly, the English intertitles are wrong. Ah Mei was not the Shu Qi character, she was the younger girl who got married. The Shu Qi character, the courtesan, has no name. Who on earth is spring?


I thought that the reason why the poet didn't marry her was clear - he already has a wife. He obviously has a child, and the courtesan asked about whether the child had recovered from his illness.

If he has a child he has a wife, and clearly, later in the movie he says that he is against the marrying of a concubine.

In China's history, the relationship between a courtesan and a client may not be sexual. It is the case with some famous courtesans (Dong Xiaowan etc.) Clearly what brought the poet here is not sex but because she is a soulmate, someone whom he could talk to (she is obviously very intelligent), so there's no likelihood of her getting married because she's pregnant.

But she's trapped because of the poet's refusal to bail her out. In no way did the film make the suggestion that a revolutionary cannot be married (many in history are, in fact). The film does make the ironic connection that he is working to free China from the Qing dynasty and Taiwan from Japan, yet refuses to redeem her.

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ky chong, thanks for your posts. I sort of was lost in the meaning behind this particular story and really needed a clear explanation. Slow film but beautifully done and well acted, lots of emotion.




Don't make me laugh, your kung fu is so so.

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>so there's no likelihood of her getting married because she's pregnant

Wasn't Ah Mei, the other courtesan girl, the one who got pregnant? Unless I have crappy subtitles, the two discuss how Ah Mei is pregnant with the "high-class ruler's" baby, which leads me to think that the unnamed courtesan was not "Ah Mei" as Ebert pointed out in his article. Great to see that people have seen the same thing, since on my copy of the DVD, it's somewhat confusing whom they are referring to.

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That's correct. If the subtitles are wrong, they must have messed up the entire story, so I doubt it.

With regard to what another poster mentioned about the class, Ah Mei was permitted to become a courtesan of "the heir to the Su family". So unless the class barrier permitted courtesanship but not marriage, that argument doesn't hold. Furthermore, Chen Chang's character opposed those customs anyway.

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Ebert blew it. Chang paid the money to spring Ah Mei, the young pregnant woman, so she could leave the brothel and marry the fellow who wanted to keep her permanently. The woman Chang was friends with, who quietly loved and wanted to marry him, was not Ah Mei. And he accidentally made it harder for his friend to leave the brothel by helping Ah Mei, who was being trained to be her replacement so she could leave and become a wife or concubine.

I don't know for sure why Chang did not also take steps to free the woman he was clearly fond of. But I suspect he was far more willing to help other people to commit to each other, if money was the only obstacle for them, and to campaign for social freedom in general, than he was to free his friend and commit himself. When she gently challenged him to declare his intentions, he was unable to follow through in a concrete specific personal way, and the opportunity was lost.

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