Most posts about this movie...


...seem to have been made by fairly articulate people who are getting carried away by emotions caused by a shocking final scene. The majority of the people slating the movie are in fact basing their criticisms on their own MISinterpretations. As an example, the constant remarks about lack of realism and the fact that 3 or 4 exposures of to class A's will turn teenagers into murderers and rapists. I can say with near certainty that this was not what was being implied in the movie.

I think this was a good movie with a number of excellently executed segments. There were more scenes that were memorable for their cinematography and direction than I have seen in the past 30 movies I've watched. These may have been drawn from the work of classic directors such as Kubrick but who doesn't draw inspiration from elsewhere. Even the recent "There Will Be Blood" had a certain deceased director to thank for much of its greatness. And lets not forget we had a 25 year old writer and director at the helm here.

And before the legion of incensed myopics start attacking me, let me just say that I was indeed affected by the final scenes. It stuck in the forefront of my mind for at least a few days. It was horrible but I see 'horrible' scenes all the time and have forgotten them before the credits roll. There is a broken bottle gang rape in the movie WAZ (W-delta-Z). The Saw and Hostel movies contain innumerable scenes of torture. Practically every teen horror has scenes of innocents being subjected to the unspeakable. The final scene in this movie sticks with us longer and affects us more because of HOW it was shot. Just like the rape in A Clockwork Orange, the suicide in Full Metal Jacket or the orgy in Eyes Wide Shut. It sticks because of quality of direction and cinematography and for me at least, the fact that I felt nauseated by it is a sign of its strength rather than a reason to attack it.

Avoid this movie if you are of a weak or nervous disposition. Otherwise watch it and analyse each scene rather than judging ninety minutes on the basis of your body's reaction to the final four.

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I agree and I love the cinematography especially in the living room sequence when "Toytown" is playing.

Question: Did you ever hurt yourself to make somebody sorry?

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Good to know I'm not the only one ;)

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How can you say with near certainty that this was not what was being implied? The story was poor and there was no plot (at the directors own admition at Edinburgh).

I think the guy has a fettish for rape. If that's the case then that's fine but he should at least admit it.

The final scene doesn't stick with you because it well shot. I could put a camera on the floor and then have me and 9 mates rape a woman till she was dead and that would stick with you. It would have nothing to do with how it was shot but everything to do with the fact that it was horrible to watch.

Footage from the liberation of Auschwitz sticks in your mind, but it wasn't well shot....

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One rape scene and the guy has a fetish? I doubt it.

You and your friends commiting rape and/or Auschwitz footage are real. This is drama.

Half hearted reply to a pointless response.

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This was one of the most horribly juvenile and ugly films i have ever seen in my life (and i'm a guy who enjoys rape on film).

The rape scene was just kind of too tame to have any real impact and so out of whack with the rest of the film that the only emotion it stirred up in me was bemusement and the hour and a half that came before it was so mind numbingly boring that you almost prayed for something depraved to happen

This film had no plot of which to speak, horrible acting, terribly clunky dialogue and a really heavy handed message about war and foreign policy (which is one of the oldest tricks in the book was done much better and more brutally in 1973 with Forced Entry)

It was really like somebody gave a teenager a camera and told him to make a controversial movie with a bunch of his mates and without a script.

Honestly if this director ever gets work again I'll eat my hat.

I defy anyone to tell me what the central thesis of this film was.....because there wasn't one

I once had a large gay following....

.....but i ducked into an alley and lost him

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